Nikon D80: In-depth Review

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    deryck lant Guest

    deryck lant, Sep 23, 2006
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    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    "deryck lant" <> wrote in message
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    > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >
    > . . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    > price class . . . .


    Well, it does cost a couple of hundred more than the XTi...

    Nice unit, though. The JPEGs do look different from the three cams compared,
    but RAW was so close it was insignificant between the Sony A100, XTi, and
    D80. Competition is a good thing.

    >
    > Deryck
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Sep 23, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    wrote:

    >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >
    >. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >price class . . . .
    >
    >Deryck


    Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    will not find it too friendly to use.
     
    RichA, Sep 24, 2006
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    JohnR66 Guest

    "deryck lant" <> wrote in message
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    > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >
    > . . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    > price class . . . .
    >
    > Deryck


    Although the Rebel XTi (400D) has not been reviewed yet, the D80 is compared
    to it, so those waiting on the review can see how it performs image quality
    wise. All in all, these entry level DSLRs are fantastic!. I'm waiting on the
    release of the Pentax 10MP. Should image similar to D80 (same Sony sensor).

    No big deal if you shoot 8MP unless the camera's new features entice you.
    John
     
    JohnR66, Sep 24, 2006
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  5. "RichA" <> wrote in message
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    > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >>
    >>. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >>price class . . . .
    >>
    >>Deryck

    >
    > Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    > woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    > will not find it too friendly to use.


    I've got normal-sized hands and my D50 is a good fit, very comfortable.
    I've handled the D80 and the Alpha - those fit well in my hands too. The
    Rebel is too small for me.
     
    Peter A. Stavrakoglou, Sep 24, 2006
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    bmoag Guest

    The D80 is an astounding camera. I 'm too cheap to spring for the D200, I
    would rather get another lens, although I came close.
    In my less than extensive 4 days of use the two biggest improvements over
    the D70 for practical purposes are the viewing system and the noise levels
    at medium and high ISOs. Below ISO 400 there is no visually obvious
    difference between the 6mp and 10mp sensor but at higher speeds the
    differences are visually obvious.
    The viewing system is bigger and brighter but still a dSLR system that is
    essentially useless for critical manual focusing. Even if you cannot
    reliably manually focus the viewing system is itself a legitimate reason to
    upgrade from the D70 if you are an aging eyeglass wearer.
    Alll the D80 jpeg options are lost on me because I only shoot raw for my
    amateur purposes. I just don't understand why one would make extensive,
    irreversible in-camera changes to an image except under unusual
    circumstances. You really cannot preview what you have done on the small
    cameral LCD and will never know what you might have done with the raw image.
    The dpreview relies heavily on the Adobe 3.6 beta raw converter which is not
    available to normal people and Adobe has not set a firm date for release. I
    generally like the Adobe raw converter but it is certainly not perfect. The
    latest version of Nikon NX is a slow resource hog but a very capable raw
    converter that allows you to hand the image off to Photoshop at anytime.
    However NX is rather obscenely priced at $150.
    The appearance of these massive 30mb/10mp images on a computer monitor is
    overwhelming--its like looking at high DPI scans of fine grain medium format
    film. In reality if one does not print non-cropped images on paper larger
    than 8.5x11 there is no visible difference compared to the 6mp sensor
    although I am sure many will claim to see differences.
     
    bmoag, Sep 24, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    "RichA" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >>
    >>. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >>price class . . . .
    >>
    >>Deryck

    >
    > Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    > woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    > will not find it too friendly to use.


    What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know several
    female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and don't
    have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the change to
    the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard would say
    anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life mate.
     
    Pete D, Sep 24, 2006
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    Joan Guest

    Tell us what you really think, Pete.

    --
    Joan
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    "Pete D" <> wrote in message
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    :
    : What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know
    several
    : female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and
    don't
    : have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the
    change to
    : the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard
    would say
    : anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life
    mate.
    :
    :
     
    Joan, Sep 24, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    Better not. ;-)


    "Joan" <2> wrote in message
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    > Tell us what you really think, Pete.
    >
    > --
    > Joan
    > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly
    >
    > "Pete D" <> wrote in message
    > news:4515f91a$0$26393$...
    > :
    > : What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know
    > several
    > : female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and
    > don't
    > : have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the
    > change to
    > : the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard
    > would say
    > : anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life
    > mate.
    > :
    > :
     
    Pete D, Sep 24, 2006
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    Bill Funk Guest

    On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:07:05 -0400, RichA <> wrote:

    >On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >>
    >>. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >>price class . . . .
    >>
    >>Deryck

    >
    >Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    >woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    >will not find it too friendly to use.


    Those who are confidant in their heterosexuality will have no problems
    with it.
    --
    Bill Funk
    replace "g" with "a"
     
    Bill Funk, Sep 24, 2006
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    ASAAR Guest

    On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:50:22 -0700, Bill Funk wrote:

    >> Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    >> woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    >> will not find it too friendly to use.

    >
    > Those who are confidant in their heterosexuality
    > will have no problems with it.


    Unless it's a smidgen too large to fit in their purse.
     
    ASAAR, Sep 24, 2006
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    Jim Guest

    "bmoag" <> wrote in message
    news:2MmRg.4002$...
    > The D80 is an astounding camera. I 'm too cheap to spring for the D200, I
    > would rather get another lens, although I came close.
    > In my less than extensive 4 days of use the two biggest improvements over
    > the D70 for practical purposes are the viewing system and the noise levels
    > at medium and high ISOs. Below ISO 400 there is no visually obvious
    > difference between the 6mp and 10mp sensor but at higher speeds the
    > differences are visually obvious.
    > The viewing system is bigger and brighter but still a dSLR system that is
    > essentially useless for critical manual focusing. Even if you cannot
    > reliably manually focus the viewing system is itself a legitimate reason
    > to upgrade from the D70 if you are an aging eyeglass wearer.

    So, does the D80 have a pentaprism?
    That would be reason enough to buy one in preference to a D70s.
    However, what I really want (in addition to a pentaprism) is the ability to
    use AI-S lenses.
    Thus, I suppose, it would be a D200 for me.
    Jim
     
    Jim, Sep 24, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:18:39 +1000, "Pete D" <> wrote:

    >
    >"RichA" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >>>
    >>>. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >>>price class . . . .
    >>>
    >>>Deryck

    >>
    >> Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    >> woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    >> will not find it too friendly to use.

    >
    >What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know several
    >female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and don't
    >have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the change to
    >the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard would say
    >anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life mate.
    >


    Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras
    stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50
    is the same size. How can someone dismiss the concerns of people so
    blithly as you do? Also, using a large camera is different. One of
    the main problems with small ones is inadvertently hitting a button
    you didn't want to because of the small size of the camera. This
    happens to people all the time. With a large camera and small hands,
    how is that going to happen?
     
    RichA, Sep 25, 2006
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  14. "RichA" <> wrote:
    >
    > Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras
    > stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50
    > is the same size.


    Really? Is my memory dizzy? I tried the D50 in a store and found it to be a
    lot larger than the 350D.

    D50: 133 x 102 x 76 mm (5.2 x 4.0 x 3.0 in) , 540 gm
    350D: 127 x 94 x 64 mm (5.0 x 3.7 x 2.5 in), 490 gm

    Is 6mm x 8mm x 12mm significantly larger? It seemed so to me...

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Sep 25, 2006
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    Paul Rubin Guest

    RichA <> writes:
    > Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras
    > stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50
    > is the same size. How can someone dismiss the concerns of people so
    > blithly as you do? Also, using a large camera is different. One of
    > the main problems with small ones is inadvertently hitting a button
    > you didn't want to because of the small size of the camera. This
    > happens to people all the time. With a large camera and small hands,
    > how is that going to happen?


    I don't understand this argument. I have average sized hands and have
    always liked small cameras. I've owned several subminiature Minoxes
    and numerous tiny 35mm and APS point-and-shoots, and was delighted
    with my Canon S100, the first quality digicam small enough to be
    comparable. I never had any problems with them being too small. I
    always wanted them even smaller. I've played with the D50 and Rebel
    in stores and the Rebel's controls are a bit weird, but the camera
    itself isn't too small. The Pentax *ist DS isn't too small. Smaller
    is just about always better.
     
    Paul Rubin, Sep 25, 2006
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    ASAAR Guest

    On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:15:57 +0900, David J. Littleboy wrote:

    >> Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras
    >> stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50
    >> is the same size.

    >
    > Really? Is my memory dizzy? I tried the D50 in a store and found it to be a
    > lot larger than the 350D.
    >
    > D50: 133 x 102 x 76 mm (5.2 x 4.0 x 3.0 in) , 540 gm
    > 350D: 127 x 94 x 64 mm (5.0 x 3.7 x 2.5 in), 490 gm
    >
    > Is 6mm x 8mm x 12mm significantly larger? It seemed so to me...


    Wow. From my perspective the 350D is significantly smaller. But
    I'd have thought that from the perspective of one who totes the
    larger Canon DSLRs with big L lenses that both the D50 and the 350D
    would be lumped together in an insanely small category, with little
    to distinguish one from the other. Those two represent the largest
    camera size I'd care to deal with but my own insanely small category
    includes sub-125 gram dcams. These include some of Canon's Ixus
    models, Olympus's mini (Stylus Verve), K/M DiMAGE X31, and any
    digital camera that might easily be mistaken for a credit card in
    the dark. :)
     
    ASAAR, Sep 25, 2006
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  17. "ASAAR" <> wrote:
    > On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:15:57 +0900, David J. Littleboy wrote:
    >>
    >> Really? Is my memory dizzy? I tried the D50 in a store and found it to be
    >> a
    >> lot larger than the 350D.
    >>
    >> D50: 133 x 102 x 76 mm (5.2 x 4.0 x 3.0 in) , 540 gm
    >> 350D: 127 x 94 x 64 mm (5.0 x 3.7 x 2.5 in), 490 gm
    >>
    >> Is 6mm x 8mm x 12mm significantly larger? It seemed so to me...

    >
    > Wow. From my perspective the 350D is significantly smaller. But
    > I'd have thought that from the perspective of one who totes the
    > larger Canon DSLRs with big L lenses that both the D50 and the 350D
    > would be lumped together in an insanely small category, with little
    > to distinguish one from the other.


    The only "big L lens" I own is the 17-40, and that's not a particularly big
    lens<g>.

    But just grabbing the camera, the D50 fits my hand nicely while the 350D
    seems small. I find that the 5D hand grip has deeper sculpting and is easier
    to hold than the 20D, but that I like the 300D. These things are all YMMV,
    but the 350D really is targeted at people with smaller hands than mine.

    > Those two represent the largest
    > camera size I'd care to deal with but my own insanely small category
    > includes sub-125 gram dcams. These include some of Canon's Ixus
    > models, Olympus's mini (Stylus Verve), K/M DiMAGE X31, and any
    > digital camera that might easily be mistaken for a credit card in
    > the dark. :)


    I'm not as unsympathetic to smaller cameras as I sometimes sound; the 5D
    with either the 24-105/4.0 or 24-70/2.8 is over my weight limit (if the
    Tamron 28-75/2.8 didn't exist, I'd just shoot primes), and I prefer to not
    leave the tripod "L" bracket on the camera if I won't be using the tripod.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Sep 25, 2006
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    Paul Rubin Guest

    "David J. Littleboy" <> writes:
    > But just grabbing the camera, the D50 fits my hand nicely while the 350D
    > seems small. I find that the 5D hand grip has deeper sculpting and is easier
    > to hold than the 20D, but that I like the 300D. These things are all YMMV,
    > but the 350D really is targeted at people with smaller hands than mine.


    I think the 350D's ergonomics are just clutzy and I'd guess that the
    small-handed also have trouble with it. It's not a matter of size. I
    never had trouble operating my Elph Junior, which was not much bigger
    than a stack of credit cards.
     
    Paul Rubin, Sep 25, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    "RichA" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:18:39 +1000, "Pete D" <> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"RichA" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >>>>
    >>>>. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >>>>price class . . . .
    >>>>
    >>>>Deryck
    >>>
    >>> Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    >>> woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    >>> will not find it too friendly to use.

    >>
    >>What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know
    >>several
    >>female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and don't
    >>have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the change to
    >>the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard would say
    >>anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life mate.
    >>

    >
    > Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras
    > stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50
    > is the same size. How can someone dismiss the concerns of people so
    > blithly as you do? Also, using a large camera is different. One of
    > the main problems with small ones is inadvertently hitting a button
    > you didn't want to because of the small size of the camera. This
    > happens to people all the time. With a large camera and small hands,
    > how is that going to happen?
    >


    No my young dweebish friend you seem to be missing the point, it is not the
    size that matter but the ergonomics, the 350D is just poorly designed, thats
    why the 400D has been improved in this area, still not as good as most
    others (not Oly's of course).
     
    Pete D, Sep 25, 2006
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    Kubalister Guest

    RichA wrote:
    > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:35:10 +0100, deryck lant <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/
    >>
    >> . . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its
    >> price class . . . .
    >>
    >> Deryck

    >
    > Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a
    > woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands
    > will not find it too friendly to use.


    It all depends on what you define as 'normal'. In Japan where the camera
    is designed the male users certainly wouldn't have any usage problems,
    but in obese America many users will have usability problems with their
    chubby hands.
     
    Kubalister, Sep 25, 2006
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