Nikon D3 to be soon superseded by Nikon D4

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by George Orwell, Dec 19, 2007.

  1. In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4, offering in an FX
    package the same high ISO performance as the D3, nearly as fast max
    shooting
    speed as the D3, the same start price as the D3, the same viewing screen
    and
    focusing module as the D3 - but with 8% more pixels than EOS-1ds Mk III!!

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    George Orwell, Dec 19, 2007
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  2. George Orwell

    C J Campbell Guest

    On 2007-12-19 07:38:49 -0800, George Orwell <> said:

    > In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4


    Maybe the D4 will be out then. Maybe not. In any event, the D4 you
    describe would likely be a lot more expensive than a D3. Not a
    replacement, but targeted to a different photographer.

    I think the D3 is really the D3h that was rumored for so long. That new
    poster I got in the mail showing a motorcycle shot by Sandro really
    says something about what Nikon thinks about the D3.
    http://www.stunningnikon.com/challenge/

    After sunset, bad weather, ISO 6400, 9 fps: terrible light and grueling
    conditions, and the D3 pulled off a magnificent sports shot. All the
    other pictures give the same message. The D3 is a photojournalist's and
    sports shooter's camera. And a very good one at that. These people do
    not live and die by high resolution. They want perfect exposure, noise
    free images, fast handling, and rugged construction.

    A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
    that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
    It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
    performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.

    That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
    call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body. Weight
    and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers. The D300
    serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX sensor. I
    don't see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.

    --
    Waddling Eagle
    World Famous Flight Instructor
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 19, 2007
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  3. George Orwell

    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    Wanna buy an aircraft carrier?

    I have an aircraft carrier for sale. Meet me in San Diego and bring cash.

    Trust me, there's a better chance of getting the aircraft carrier than this
    rumor coming true.
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Dec 19, 2007
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  4. George Orwell

    Tony Polson Guest

    C J Campbell <> wrote:
    >
    >A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
    >that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
    >It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
    >performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.



    This has been a surprising year for both Nikon and Canon.

    Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
    be released instead of, or even as well as the D3. Nikon has had a
    17.8 MP CMOS sensor under development for some time and it was
    certainly a surprise to see "only" 12 MP in the D3.

    I snipped your comments about the D3H but I agree that the D3 as
    released is more or less a D3H. The 17.8 MP D3X would be expected to
    follow the D3H within a few months. You suggest it will be called the
    D4, and you may well be right. My best contact at Nikon has retired
    and the company is getting much better at concealing its development
    projects.

    An even bigger surprise was Canon's non-announcement of the EOS 3D,
    the 16.7 MP version of the 5D with full weather sealing - very much a
    digital equivalent of the excellent 35mm film EOS 3. And there is
    still no sign of the 12.8 MP EOS 7D, a lower cost version of the 5D
    intended to further increase Canon's overall sales.

    I wonder if Canon is holding back the introduction of these models in
    order to reduce the impact of new models coming from Nikon and Sony.
     
    Tony Polson, Dec 19, 2007
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  5. George Orwell

    Paul Furman Guest

    C J Campbell wrote:

    > That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
    > call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body. Weight
    > and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers. The D300
    > serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX sensor. I don't
    > see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.


    This is the one I want.
     
    Paul Furman, Dec 19, 2007
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  6. George Orwell

    C J Campbell Guest

    On 2007-12-19 09:36:19 -0800, Tony Polson <> said:

    > C J Campbell <> wrote:
    >>
    >> A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
    >> that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
    >> It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
    >> performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.

    >
    >
    >
    > I wonder if Canon is holding back the introduction of these models in
    > order to reduce the impact of new models coming from Nikon and Sony.


    I think you hit the nail right on the head. Now, the funny thing is
    that there were several people (and even a leaked press release from
    Nikon) which indicated the imminent release of the D3 last spring --
    but this was a 19 megapixel camera. Instead, we got the D40x (which was
    in the same leaked press release). So, what happened to that camera?

    I think several things:

    Canon stole Nikon's thunder with the 1Ds Mk III. Nikon's marketing
    department suddenly realized that their D3 was not competitive in
    either features or price. There were bugs in the new sensor and people
    did not want an 80% cropped sensor anyway (it was not FX). And (most
    importantly) there was no room for the new camera on the production
    schedule. Nikon's lines are at full capacity now. They have to drop
    something in order to add a new SLR line.

    So they went with what is called the D3 now to stop the worst
    hemorrhaging among their pro base: the photojournalists and the sports
    shooters. It was arguably Nikon's weakest market and they wanted to
    plug that hole first. And the original D3 (or D4, or D3x) went back to
    the drawing board to get a new FX sensor, image preview, and maybe even
    sensor cleaning. I do not expect the D3 to have that long of a run. I
    think it also will get live preview and sensor cleaning in the near
    future and be reintroduced as the D3h, but it will otherwise be pretty
    much the same camera.


    --
    Waddling Eagle
    World Famous Flight Instructor
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 19, 2007
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  7. George Orwell

    C J Campbell Guest

    On 2007-12-19 09:41:02 -0800, Paul Furman <> said:

    > C J Campbell wrote:
    >
    >> That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
    >> call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body. Weight
    >> and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers. The D300
    >> serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX sensor. I
    >> don't see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.

    >
    > This is the one I want.


    Me, too. But I may lose patience and get the D3x or D4 or whatever it
    will be called, and gripe incessantly about its weight and complexity.
    --
    Waddling Eagle
    World Famous Flight Instructor
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 19, 2007
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  8. George Orwell

    Tony Polson Guest

    C J Campbell <> wrote:

    >On 2007-12-19 09:36:19 -0800, Tony Polson <> said:
    >
    >> C J Campbell <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
    >>> that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
    >>> It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
    >>> performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I wonder if Canon is holding back the introduction of these models in
    >> order to reduce the impact of new models coming from Nikon and Sony.

    >
    >I think you hit the nail right on the head. Now, the funny thing is
    >that there were several people (and even a leaked press release from
    >Nikon) which indicated the imminent release of the D3 last spring --
    >but this was a 19 megapixel camera. Instead, we got the D40x (which was
    >in the same leaked press release). So, what happened to that camera?
    >
    >I think several things:
    >
    >Canon stole Nikon's thunder with the 1Ds Mk III. Nikon's marketing
    >department suddenly realized that their D3 was not competitive in
    >either features or price. There were bugs in the new sensor and people
    >did not want an 80% cropped sensor anyway (it was not FX). And (most
    >importantly) there was no room for the new camera on the production
    >schedule. Nikon's lines are at full capacity now. They have to drop
    >something in order to add a new SLR line.
    >
    >So they went with what is called the D3 now to stop the worst
    >hemorrhaging among their pro base: the photojournalists and the sports
    >shooters. It was arguably Nikon's weakest market and they wanted to
    >plug that hole first. And the original D3 (or D4, or D3x) went back to
    >the drawing board to get a new FX sensor, image preview, and maybe even
    >sensor cleaning. I do not expect the D3 to have that long of a run. I
    >think it also will get live preview and sensor cleaning in the near
    >future and be reintroduced as the D3h, but it will otherwise be pretty
    >much the same camera.



    That's an interesting take. It would certainly explain a lot of what
    has happened - and more to the point, what hasn't.

    But let's be honest, the D3, in spite of having "only" 12 MP, is a
    superb camera. It was tested in last week's "Amateur Photographer",
    which has an excellent reputation for the objectivity of its reviews,
    and it received the highest rating of any DSLR ever tested.
     
    Tony Polson, Dec 19, 2007
    #8
  9. C J Campbell wrote:

    >> In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4

    >
    > Maybe the D4 will be out then. Maybe not. In any event, the D4 you
    > describe would likely be a lot more expensive than a D3. Not a
    > replacement, but targeted to a different photographer.


    You're right; the D4 will probably be a high res studio camera.

    > I think the D3 is really the D3h that was rumored for so long. That
    > new poster I got in the mail showing a motorcycle shot by Sandro
    > really says something about what Nikon thinks about the D3.
    > http://www.stunningnikon.com/challenge/


    That motorcycle shot is amazing. I know the D3 is going to be nice for
    wildlife. It's a great feeling to finally get my long lens collecting into
    high gear.





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 19, 2007
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  10. Paul Furman wrote:

    >> That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
    >> call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body.
    >> Weight and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers.
    >> The D300 serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX
    >> sensor. I don't see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.

    >
    > This is the one I want.


    That would be sweet!





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 19, 2007
    #10
  11. Tony Polson wrote:

    > Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
    > be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.


    Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the **** is my D3? Enough already!
    By the time Nikon fills the D3 backorders the D5.5 will out.





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 19, 2007
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  12. George Orwell

    ASAAR Guest

    On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:26:53 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

    >> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
    >> be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.

    >
    > Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the **** is my D3? Enough already!


    Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!
     
    ASAAR, Dec 20, 2007
    #12
  13. ASAAR wrote:

    >>> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera
    >>> to be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.

    >>
    >> Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the **** is my D3? Enough
    >> already!

    >
    > Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!


    That's no problem, the beginning of the next devaluation cycle begins and I
    should be able to get the D3 for $4,500. Maybe they will have a D4 by then?
    It's really starting to piss me off.







    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 20, 2007
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  14. George Orwell

    ASAAR Guest

    On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:27:29 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

    >> Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!

    >
    > That's no problem, the beginning of the next devaluation cycle begins and I
    > should be able to get the D3 for $4,500. Maybe they will have a D4 by then?


    Not to be for me. I have neither your discretionary bucks nor
    biceps. Some future day I might consider a D400 though, but only if
    I first get a printer that'll do it justice. And so far I've yet to
    really stress my D50 so it's Moot. Moot. Moot. :)
     
    ASAAR, Dec 20, 2007
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  15. George Orwell

    Sarina.Sarin Guest

    On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:26:53 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

    > Tony Polson wrote:
    >
    >> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
    >> be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.

    >
    > Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the **** is my D3? Enough
    > already! By the time Nikon fills the D3 backorders the D5.5 will out.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Rita



    I'm starting to think the same. Not much point in making a new camera if
    you can't fill the demand for existing ones!


    --
    Sarina
     
    Sarina.Sarin, Dec 20, 2007
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  16. ASAAR wrote:

    >>> Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!

    >>
    >> That's no problem, the beginning of the next devaluation cycle
    >> begins and I should be able to get the D3 for $4,500. Maybe they
    >> will have a D4 by then?

    >
    > Not to be for me. I have neither your discretionary bucks nor
    > biceps. Some future day I might consider a D400 though, but only if
    > I first get a printer that'll do it justice. And so far I've yet to
    > really stress my D50 so it's Moot. Moot. Moot. :)


    LOL! Don't wait too long for that D400 since you aren't getting any
    younger. With one foot in the grave and being old and decrapitated, you
    might find that Viagra won't help you get it up.





    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Dec 20, 2007
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  17. George Orwell

    RichA Guest

    On Dec 19, 10:38 am, George Orwell <> wrote:
    > In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4, offering in an FX
    > package the same high ISO performance as the D3, nearly as fast max
    > shooting
    > speed as the D3, the same start price as the D3, the same viewing screen
    > and
    > focusing module as the D3 - but with 8% more pixels than EOS-1ds Mk III!!


    Noise.
     
    RichA, Dec 20, 2007
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  18. George Orwell

    John Smith Guest

    I received my D3 last week


    "Sarina.Sarin" <> wrote in message
    news:fkdc4a$e93$...
    > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:26:53 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Tony Polson wrote:
    >>
    >>> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
    >>> be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.

    >>
    >> Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the **** is my D3? Enough
    >> already! By the time Nikon fills the D3 backorders the D5.5 will out.
    >>
    >> Rita

    >
    >
    > I'm starting to think the same. Not much point in making a new camera if
    > you can't fill the demand for existing ones!
    >
    >
    > --
    > Sarina
     
    John Smith, Dec 20, 2007
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  19. George Orwell

    Ric Trexell Guest

    Re: Wanna buy an aircraft carrier?

    "Kinon O'Cann" <> wrote in message
    news:Rvcaj.21639$1R1.11916@trndny02...
    > I have an aircraft carrier for sale. Meet me in San Diego and bring cash.
    >
    > Trust me, there's a better chance of getting the aircraft carrier than

    this
    > rumor coming true.

    *******************************************************************
    I almost bought one once, I was sleeping below decks on my US Navy destroyer
    which I was married to for about 3+ years. We were coming through the
    straits by Indonesia after going to the gulf of Ammen and Omar during the
    1973 oil crisis. We lost power in the boilers and managed to coast out of
    the way of the USS Midway I think it was that was behind us. Had we not we
    would have bought the carrier and a whole lot of the Pacific ocean would of
    been ours to swallow. I never told my parents this other wise they would
    have dropped dead in fear. Now that they are gone I can reveal it. If you
    are selling an air craft carrier, I don't want any of those old oil hogs
    like the Kitty Hawk. They go through a ton of oil a minute and that is just
    sitting in port. Maybe one of those newer nuke ones, but only if it is not
    showing any rust. Thanks for the offer. Ric in Wisconsin.
     
    Ric Trexell, Dec 25, 2007
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  20. George Orwell

    pjp Guest

    Re: Wanna buy an aircraft carrier?

    "Ric Trexell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "Kinon O'Cann" <> wrote in message
    > news:Rvcaj.21639$1R1.11916@trndny02...
    > > I have an aircraft carrier for sale. Meet me in San Diego and bring

    cash.
    > >
    > > Trust me, there's a better chance of getting the aircraft carrier than

    > this
    > > rumor coming true.

    > *******************************************************************
    > I almost bought one once, I was sleeping below decks on my US Navy

    destroyer
    > which I was married to for about 3+ years. We were coming through the
    > straits by Indonesia after going to the gulf of Ammen and Omar during the
    > 1973 oil crisis. We lost power in the boilers and managed to coast out of
    > the way of the USS Midway I think it was that was behind us. Had we not

    we
    > would have bought the carrier and a whole lot of the Pacific ocean would

    of
    > been ours to swallow. I never told my parents this other wise they would
    > have dropped dead in fear. Now that they are gone I can reveal it. If

    you
    > are selling an air craft carrier, I don't want any of those old oil hogs
    > like the Kitty Hawk. They go through a ton of oil a minute and that is

    just
    > sitting in port. Maybe one of those newer nuke ones, but only if it is

    not
    > showing any rust. Thanks for the offer. Ric in Wisconsin.
    >


    Just beach the thing and convert it into condos. Most municipalities will
    take years to implement legal action and force you to remove it at which
    time it's easy enough to just put a hole in the hull and let her go :)
     
    pjp, Dec 25, 2007
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