Nikon Coolpix 8800 review and samples

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by AWolf, Nov 11, 2004.

  1. AWolf

    AWolf Guest

    AWolf, Nov 11, 2004
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  2. AWolf wrote:
    > Hello Group,
    >
    > I've just posted a user review of the Coolpix 8800 along with sample
    > pictures:
    >
    > http://www.axelwolf.org/reviews/Nikon8800/index.html
    >
    > Have fun!
    >
    > Cheers, Axel


    Thanks for that write-up. I see echoes of some of your comments in the
    Nikon 8400 as well - auto-white balance under artificial light having a
    colour cast, the noise etc. I appreciated your RAW - JPEG comparisons,
    and it reminded me of just how good Basic compression is in the Nikon
    range compared to many others.

    I would have bought an 880 but for one thing - the f/5.2 at the extreme
    end of the zoom range compared to the Panasonic's f/2.8. It a lot of
    light to loose - i.e. a lot more camera shake to get! (Both cameras have
    image stabilisation). I can tolerate 5MP rather than 8MP.

    Are you doing an 8400 write-up next?

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Nov 11, 2004
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  3. AWolf

    Ed Ruf Guest

    On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:08:37 -0000, in rec.photo.digital "David J Taylor"
    <> wrote:


    >Thanks for that write-up. I see echoes of some of your comments in the
    >Nikon 8400 as well - auto-white balance under artificial light having a
    >colour cast,


    This seems to be a general issue with Nikons. I've seen it in my CP-990,
    CP-5700 and now my D70. Even using the speedlight, you are better off
    manually setting the WB. At least on the D70 this can be done using the
    camera controls so one doesn't have to go through the menus.
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    Ed Ruf, Nov 11, 2004
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  4. AWolf

    Evon Guest

    I enjoyed your review of the 8800. I'm trying to figure out how to shoot a
    silhouette. I can't seem to get the flash to stop popping up and I can't get
    below 2 stops. I've only had the camera 2 weeks so I'm probably missing
    something. Could you share how you would shoot a silhouette? Thanks
    Evon
    "AWolf" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello Group,
    >
    > I've just posted a user review of the Coolpix 8800 along with sample

    pictures:
    >
    > http://www.axelwolf.org/reviews/Nikon8800/index.html
    >
    > Have fun!
    >
    > Cheers, Axel
     
    Evon, Nov 11, 2004
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  5. AWolf

    C J Campbell Guest

    "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I would have bought an 880 but for one thing - the f/5.2 at the extreme
    > end of the zoom range compared to the Panasonic's f/2.8. It a lot of
    > light to loose - i.e. a lot more camera shake to get! (Both cameras have
    > image stabilisation). I can tolerate 5MP rather than 8MP.


    How is image noise on the Panasonic?
     
    C J Campbell, Nov 11, 2004
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  6. Evon wrote:
    > I enjoyed your review of the 8800. I'm trying to figure out how to
    > shoot a silhouette. I can't seem to get the flash to stop popping up
    > and I can't get below 2 stops. I've only had the camera 2 weeks so
    > I'm probably missing something. Could you share how you would shoot a
    > silhouette? Thanks
    > Evon


    Turn the camera off auto mode and onto P (program) mode.

    Press the flash button until the cancel flash (like a circle with a
    diagonal line) appears.

    At least ,that what you do on the 8400...

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Nov 11, 2004
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  7. AWolf

    C J Campbell Guest

    "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Evon wrote:
    > > I enjoyed your review of the 8800. I'm trying to figure out how to
    > > shoot a silhouette. I can't seem to get the flash to stop popping up
    > > and I can't get below 2 stops. I've only had the camera 2 weeks so
    > > I'm probably missing something. Could you share how you would shoot a
    > > silhouette? Thanks
    > > Evon

    >
    > Turn the camera off auto mode and onto P (program) mode.
    >
    > Press the flash button until the cancel flash (like a circle with a
    > diagonal line) appears.
    >
    > At least ,that what you do on the 8400...


    And the D70, and most other Nikons.
     
    C J Campbell, Nov 11, 2004
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  8. C J Campbell wrote:
    > "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>
    >> I would have bought an 880 but for one thing - the f/5.2 at the
    >> extreme end of the zoom range compared to the Panasonic's f/2.8. It
    >> a lot of light to loose - i.e. a lot more camera shake to get!
    >> (Both cameras have image stabilisation). I can tolerate 5MP rather
    >> than 8MP.

    >
    > How is image noise on the Panasonic?


    No problems, but I often think that people take this noise issue far too
    seriously - a little grain (noise) can add character to a shot. Both the
    8800 and FZ20 have a relative small per-pixel are so perform better at
    50 - 80 ISO. Hence the importance of the f/2.8 lens on the Panasonic....

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Nov 11, 2004
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  9. AWolf

    C J Campbell Guest

    "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > C J Campbell wrote:
    > > "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > >>
    > >> I would have bought an 880 but for one thing - the f/5.2 at the
    > >> extreme end of the zoom range compared to the Panasonic's f/2.8. It
    > >> a lot of light to loose - i.e. a lot more camera shake to get!
    > >> (Both cameras have image stabilisation). I can tolerate 5MP rather
    > >> than 8MP.

    > >
    > > How is image noise on the Panasonic?

    >
    > No problems, but I often think that people take this noise issue far too
    > seriously - a little grain (noise) can add character to a shot. Both the
    > 8800 and FZ20 have a relative small per-pixel are so perform better at
    > 50 - 80 ISO. Hence the importance of the f/2.8 lens on the Panasonic....


    Yeah. I just have been real gun-shy about noise ever since I got a Minolta
    Dimage A1. It is so bad that it is virtually impossible to get a sharp
    picture with this camera.
     
    C J Campbell, Nov 11, 2004
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  10. C J Campbell wrote:
    []
    > Yeah. I just have been real gun-shy about noise ever since I got a
    > Minolta Dimage A1. It is so bad that it is virtually impossible to
    > get a sharp picture with this camera.


    Well, there are plenty of samples from the FZ20 around on the Web and in
    the DPReview Panasonic forum, so short of borrowing the camera from your
    local photo store and trying it for yourself, look at what's on the Web.
    The image quality from the FZ20 is very good, in my opinion. (People do
    suggest that you turn off the built-in Noise Reduction option which is
    reported as too agressive).

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Nov 11, 2004
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  11. AWolf

    Ed Ruf Guest

    On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:44:40 -0000, in rec.photo.digital "David J Taylor"
    <> wrote:


    >No problems, but I often think that people take this noise issue far too
    >seriously - a little grain (noise) can add character to a shot. Both the
    >8800 and FZ20 have a relative small per-pixel are so perform better at
    >50 - 80 ISO. Hence the importance of the f/2.8 lens on the Panasonic....


    At low ISO as you state it's not bad. Push it up and that's another story.
    Newer sensors are always getting better. I would not use above ISO200 on my
    CP-990 nor ISO 400 on my CP-5700 even using Neat Image filtering afterwards
    unless there was absolutely no way to get anything useful.

    FWIW, in comparison I find the D70 at ISO1600 to be ~as noisy if not better
    than mt CP-5700 at ISO200.
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    Ed Ruf, Nov 11, 2004
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  12. C J Campbell wrote:
    > "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>Evon wrote:
    >>
    >>>I enjoyed your review of the 8800. I'm trying to figure out how to
    >>>shoot a silhouette. I can't seem to get the flash to stop popping up
    >>>and I can't get below 2 stops. I've only had the camera 2 weeks so
    >>>I'm probably missing something. Could you share how you would shoot a
    >>>silhouette? Thanks
    >>>Evon

    >>
    >>Turn the camera off auto mode and onto P (program) mode.
    >>
    >>Press the flash button until the cancel flash (like a circle with a
    >>diagonal line) appears.
    >>
    >>At least ,that what you do on the 8400...

    >
    >
    > And the D70, and most other Nikons.
    >
    >

    You can turn the flash off with the red eye/flash button on my 4300
    even when in auto mode. Is my Nikon that much different?
     
    George E. Cawthon, Nov 12, 2004
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  13. AWolf wrote:
    > Hello Group,
    >
    > I've just posted a user review of the Coolpix 8800 along with sample pictures:
    >
    > http://www.axelwolf.org/reviews/Nikon8800/index.html


    Nice. However I am missing some reference macro shots. Showing the largest
    in-focus image of some graph paper (mm marked if possible) at some zoom
    positions will be welcome.

    Also, how about including exif for the accompanying images?

    --
    Eyal Lebedinsky () <http://samba.org/eyal/>
     
    Eyal Lebedinsky, Nov 12, 2004
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  14. AWolf

    Graham Plain Guest


    >"AWolf" <> wrote
    > Hello Group,
    >
    > I've just posted a user review of the Coolpix 8800 along with sample

    pictures:
    >
    > http://www.axelwolf.org/reviews/Nikon8800/index.html
    >
    > Have fun!
    >
    > Cheers, Axel


    I am looking at this camera as my first non-P&S model but having seen the
    sample images I'm having second thoughts. There seems to be a lot more color
    fringing than I would have expected from a camera of this price range. It
    appears especially obvious on the (macro?) image of the Omega watch but is
    also visible in several of the other images shown. What are the views of the
    newsgroup regulars with more practical experience at judging digital camera
    image quality than I have?

    TIA
     
    Graham Plain, Nov 12, 2004
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  15. Graham Plain wrote:
    []
    > I am looking at this camera as my first non-P&S model but having seen
    > the sample images I'm having second thoughts. There seems to be a lot
    > more color fringing than I would have expected from a camera of this
    > price range. It appears especially obvious on the (macro?) image of
    > the Omega watch but is also visible in several of the other images
    > shown. What are the views of the newsgroup regulars with more
    > practical experience at judging digital camera image quality than I
    > have?


    1 - You can eliminate colour fringing with software like Paint Sho Pro.

    2 - Decide for yourself if you can see the fringing under the display
    conditions which you actually use - not zoomed in at 2:1 on a monitor with
    images the equivalent of 40 inches wide!

    3 - Nikon have a good reputation for optics - it's unlike that you will
    find a better camera (from the point of view of fringing) at a similar
    specification level. Compare e.g. the Sony F828.

    4 - If you want excellent macro, a long zoom telephoto may not be the best
    starting point.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Nov 12, 2004
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    AWolf, Nov 14, 2004
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