Next Generation Welcome Kits.

Discussion in 'Microsoft Certification' started by =?Utf-8?B?WmFjaC5CYWllcg==?=, Apr 6, 2007.

  1. Anyone else disappointed in the “next generation†Welcome kits? The
    certificates remind me of the ones issued in the 90’s MCPS (Product
    Specialist), i.e. dull and unprofessional. They also sent to two of them for
    one certification (MCTS, MCTS SQL 2005). The wallet card only contains one
    certification. When you have 9 certifications that is rather annoying. The
    lapel pin is gone. What happened to that? It was once voted the most useful
    part of the welcome kit. It is the only way I display my certifications at
    work (I am not going to wall paper my cube with certificates).

    I think Microsoft should help promote the display of our certification
    status without being overwhelming. The company I work for has a nice idea
    for this. They give each new employee cloth banner with company logo (6 in
    wide by 18 in long) to be hung in our cube. For each excellence award or
    major anniversary (1, 5, 10, etc) they receive a pin for their banner. This
    happens to be where I display my Microsoft Certification pins.

    The new generation of certifications have turned it into alphabet soup. You
    used to have a few premier certifications that everyone understood. They
    were just versioned for each iteration of new the software. Much easier to
    understand.

    We just seem to be getting less and less from Certifications with more and
    more cost. The welcome kits just seem to be one more manifestation of this.
    Just a rant from a long time certification junkie.
    =?Utf-8?B?WmFjaC5CYWllcg==?=, Apr 6, 2007
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  2. Warning: I complained about the two certificates earlier and got roundly
    criticized and flamed for it by people who now obviously haven't recently
    earned a certification. I'm glad to see now that I'm not the only one who is
    dissatified with the recent Welcome Kits.

    I totally agree with you, Zach. Perhaps the quality is lower because the
    Welcome Kit now comes from Singapore instead of Redmond, Washington, U. S. of
    A.

    I complained to Trika once in her blogs about the extra wallet cards, but
    although she said she would get back to me on it, she never has. I have to
    carry three cards, a blue-green-white one with my MCPD, a mustard-green-white
    one with my MCTS, and the old fingerprint-looking one with my MCSD and MCP. I
    never did get a card for my Microsoft Office Specialist certification. [Okay,
    I don't really have to carry them, since they are not even good enough to be
    used as a second ID when you show up for an exam, but you never know when I
    may need to use an ice-scraper. :) ]

    I think the current 17 different MCTS's (and more being added almost daily)
    is way too many. It dilutes the certification, which is already diluted by
    brain dumps [or braindumps, whichever is correct] and proxy testers. The
    cards also do not say what you are an MCTS or MCPD in.

    I also never received a lapel pin for either MCTS or the MCPD, and I
    mispaced my MCSD one.

    I especially miss the one free year of MSDN CD's that I got with my MCSD. To
    me, that was the most useful part.

    I do hope that Microsoft will live up to its desire for quality and improve
    the quality of the welcome kits.
    --
    Larry J. West, MCSD, MCPD, MCTS:SQL Server 2005, MOUS, FLMI, ACS


    "Zach.Baier" wrote:

    > Anyone else disappointed in the “next generation†Welcome kits? The
    > certificates remind me of the ones issued in the 90’s MCPS (Product
    > Specialist), i.e. dull and unprofessional. They also sent to two of them for
    > one certification (MCTS, MCTS SQL 2005). The wallet card only contains one
    > certification. When you have 9 certifications that is rather annoying. The
    > lapel pin is gone. What happened to that? It was once voted the most useful
    > part of the welcome kit. It is the only way I display my certifications at
    > work (I am not going to wall paper my cube with certificates).
    >
    > I think Microsoft should help promote the display of our certification
    > status without being overwhelming. The company I work for has a nice idea
    > for this. They give each new employee cloth banner with company logo (6 in
    > wide by 18 in long) to be hung in our cube. For each excellence award or
    > major anniversary (1, 5, 10, etc) they receive a pin for their banner. This
    > happens to be where I display my Microsoft Certification pins.
    >
    > The new generation of certifications have turned it into alphabet soup. You
    > used to have a few premier certifications that everyone understood. They
    > were just versioned for each iteration of new the software. Much easier to
    > understand.
    >
    > We just seem to be getting less and less from Certifications with more and
    > more cost. The welcome kits just seem to be one more manifestation of this.
    > Just a rant from a long time certification junkie.
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?TGFycnlXZXN0TUNTRA==?=, Apr 6, 2007
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  3. I figure by the next generation of certifications we will have to download
    our certificate and print it ourselves. They will probably charge $10 for the
    privilege.

    "LarryWestMCSD" wrote:

    > Warning: I complained about the two certificates earlier and got roundly
    > criticized and flamed for it by people who now obviously haven't recently
    > earned a certification. I'm glad to see now that I'm not the only one who is
    > dissatified with the recent Welcome Kits.
    >
    > I totally agree with you, Zach. Perhaps the quality is lower because the
    > Welcome Kit now comes from Singapore instead of Redmond, Washington, U. S. of
    > A.
    >
    > I complained to Trika once in her blogs about the extra wallet cards, but
    > although she said she would get back to me on it, she never has. I have to
    > carry three cards, a blue-green-white one with my MCPD, a mustard-green-white
    > one with my MCTS, and the old fingerprint-looking one with my MCSD and MCP. I
    > never did get a card for my Microsoft Office Specialist certification. [Okay,
    > I don't really have to carry them, since they are not even good enough to be
    > used as a second ID when you show up for an exam, but you never know when I
    > may need to use an ice-scraper. :) ]
    >
    > I think the current 17 different MCTS's (and more being added almost daily)
    > is way too many. It dilutes the certification, which is already diluted by
    > brain dumps [or braindumps, whichever is correct] and proxy testers. The
    > cards also do not say what you are an MCTS or MCPD in.
    >
    > I also never received a lapel pin for either MCTS or the MCPD, and I
    > mispaced my MCSD one.
    >
    > I especially miss the one free year of MSDN CD's that I got with my MCSD. To
    > me, that was the most useful part.
    >
    > I do hope that Microsoft will live up to its desire for quality and improve
    > the quality of the welcome kits.
    > --
    > Larry J. West, MCSD, MCPD, MCTS:SQL Server 2005, MOUS, FLMI, ACS
    >
    >
    > "Zach.Baier" wrote:
    >
    > > Anyone else disappointed in the “next generation†Welcome kits? The
    > > certificates remind me of the ones issued in the 90’s MCPS (Product
    > > Specialist), i.e. dull and unprofessional. They also sent to two of them for
    > > one certification (MCTS, MCTS SQL 2005). The wallet card only contains one
    > > certification. When you have 9 certifications that is rather annoying. The
    > > lapel pin is gone. What happened to that? It was once voted the most useful
    > > part of the welcome kit. It is the only way I display my certifications at
    > > work (I am not going to wall paper my cube with certificates).
    > >
    > > I think Microsoft should help promote the display of our certification
    > > status without being overwhelming. The company I work for has a nice idea
    > > for this. They give each new employee cloth banner with company logo (6 in
    > > wide by 18 in long) to be hung in our cube. For each excellence award or
    > > major anniversary (1, 5, 10, etc) they receive a pin for their banner. This
    > > happens to be where I display my Microsoft Certification pins.
    > >
    > > The new generation of certifications have turned it into alphabet soup. You
    > > used to have a few premier certifications that everyone understood. They
    > > were just versioned for each iteration of new the software. Much easier to
    > > understand.
    > >
    > > We just seem to be getting less and less from Certifications with more and
    > > more cost. The welcome kits just seem to be one more manifestation of this.
    > > Just a rant from a long time certification junkie.
    > >
    =?Utf-8?B?WmFjaC5CYWllcg==?=, Apr 6, 2007
    #3
  4. "Zach.Baier" wrote:
    > I figure by the next generation of certifications we will have to download
    > our certificate and print it ourselves. They will probably charge $10 for the
    > privilege.


    Shhh, don't give Microsoft any ideas.

    I once heard in a webcast someone say that Microsoft hasn't raised exam
    prices since 2000 (actually it was Jan. 1, 2002), so they are obviously
    looking at ways to increase revenues.

    However, given that exam prices are only $50 US in China, India and some
    other countries, and assuming that the costs of giving an exam are the same
    no matter where an exam is given, that means that Microsoft makes at least
    $75 per exam in the US already. If their costs are above $50 per exam, then
    they need to raise the price in countries where the exam prices are lower
    than the cost to give the exam, not in areas that are at least 100% above.

    In other words, Microsoft should not force American [and certain other
    countries] programmers to subsidize their competition when it comes to exam
    taking.
    --
    Larry J. West, MCSD, MCPD, MCTS:SQL Server 2005, MOUS, FLMI, ACS
    =?Utf-8?B?TGFycnlXZXN0TUNTRA==?=, Apr 6, 2007
    #4
  5. Gentleman, if I may offer my two cents here, I was told by the operator of
    one of the test sites (now closed for lack of revenue) that they were only
    paid $1.00 per test by Microsoft. I have no reason to doubt that as it was
    at a company that was a MS Partner.
    Ted McCarty

    "LarryWestMCSD" wrote:

    > "Zach.Baier" wrote:
    > > I figure by the next generation of certifications we will have to download
    > > our certificate and print it ourselves. They will probably charge $10 for the
    > > privilege.

    >
    > Shhh, don't give Microsoft any ideas.
    >
    > I once heard in a webcast someone say that Microsoft hasn't raised exam
    > prices since 2000 (actually it was Jan. 1, 2002), so they are obviously
    > looking at ways to increase revenues.
    >
    > However, given that exam prices are only $50 US in China, India and some
    > other countries, and assuming that the costs of giving an exam are the same
    > no matter where an exam is given, that means that Microsoft makes at least
    > $75 per exam in the US already. If their costs are above $50 per exam, then
    > they need to raise the price in countries where the exam prices are lower
    > than the cost to give the exam, not in areas that are at least 100% above.
    >
    > In other words, Microsoft should not force American [and certain other
    > countries] programmers to subsidize their competition when it comes to exam
    > taking.
    > --
    > Larry J. West, MCSD, MCPD, MCTS:SQL Server 2005, MOUS, FLMI, ACS
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?dG1jY2FydHk4?=, Apr 8, 2007
    #5
  6. =?Utf-8?B?WmFjaC5CYWllcg==?=

    Egghead Guest

    Not long ago, it was $10 US per exam.
    Anyway, in the good old days, the exams came with free books and lunches :)
    --
    cheers,
    RL
    "tmccarty8" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Gentleman, if I may offer my two cents here, I was told by the operator of
    > one of the test sites (now closed for lack of revenue) that they were only
    > paid $1.00 per test by Microsoft. I have no reason to doubt that as it
    > was
    > at a company that was a MS Partner.
    > Ted McCarty
    >
    > "LarryWestMCSD" wrote:
    >
    >> "Zach.Baier" wrote:
    >> > I figure by the next generation of certifications we will have to
    >> > download
    >> > our certificate and print it ourselves. They will probably charge $10
    >> > for the
    >> > privilege.

    >>
    >> Shhh, don't give Microsoft any ideas.
    >>
    >> I once heard in a webcast someone say that Microsoft hasn't raised exam
    >> prices since 2000 (actually it was Jan. 1, 2002), so they are obviously
    >> looking at ways to increase revenues.
    >>
    >> However, given that exam prices are only $50 US in China, India and some
    >> other countries, and assuming that the costs of giving an exam are the
    >> same
    >> no matter where an exam is given, that means that Microsoft makes at
    >> least
    >> $75 per exam in the US already. If their costs are above $50 per exam,
    >> then
    >> they need to raise the price in countries where the exam prices are lower
    >> than the cost to give the exam, not in areas that are at least 100%
    >> above.
    >>
    >> In other words, Microsoft should not force American [and certain other
    >> countries] programmers to subsidize their competition when it comes to
    >> exam
    >> taking.
    >> --
    >> Larry J. West, MCSD, MCPD, MCTS:SQL Server 2005, MOUS, FLMI, ACS
    >>
    Egghead, Apr 12, 2007
    #6
  7. I agree. My old NT certificate looked much more impressive.

    I must admit that after I got my 2003 certificates framed, they looked a bit
    better. I don't know why they feature Uncle Bill's signature though - I
    thought Steve Ballmer was running the place?

    Regarding the assertion that the exam centres are making money from exams,
    an MCT once told me that they only receive about $5 per exam for "marketing
    expenses" and that's it.



    "Zach.Baier" wrote:

    > Anyone else disappointed in the “next generation†Welcome kits? The
    > certificates remind me of the ones issued in the 90’s MCPS (Product
    > Specialist), i.e. dull and unprofessional.
    =?Utf-8?B?RnVsY2FuZWxsaQ==?=, Apr 23, 2007
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