Newbie With Confidence Issues

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Joe Boland, Dec 22, 2004.

  1. Joe Boland

    Joe Boland Guest

    Hi guys, for starters, I'm new to the forum. :)

    Anyway, to get things started, I am currently an MCSA as well as A+
    certified.

    After reading all the things out there about paper techs, I'm really
    worried about becoming one myself - being certified without really
    having a full grasp on the material. I've used self-test software and
    the Microsoft Official Curriculum, and I've done fine so far, averaging
    about an 80% score on my exams, from what I can make of the scoring system.

    I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for fear
    of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix. I don't know if
    paper techs come across this feeling (or even care if they know what
    they're talking about or not), but I guess I have a sense of pride and
    dignity, and am worried about not knowing what to do when crunch time comes.

    Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?

    -Joe
     
    Joe Boland, Dec 22, 2004
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  2. Joe Boland

    Doom Guest

    "Joe Boland" <> wrote in message
    news:Mwbyd.98$...

    > Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >
    > -Joe


    Joe
    It sounds to me like you'll do OK. These paper techs who are clueless are so
    dumb they don't realize they are incompetent. Search through the threads
    Neil posted a link to a great article about this. Truly clueless people
    don't know they're clueless. I would try to get as much hands on experience
    as you can.(but that's obvious)
     
    Doom, Dec 22, 2004
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  3. Joe Boland

    kpg Guest

    "Joe Boland" <> wrote in message
    news:Mwbyd.98$...

    > <various snipage>
    > I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for fear
    > of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix.
    >
    > Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >
    > -Joe


    Only for the ones that give a crap. The hard core paper cert
    doesn't know he doesn't know. You are at least on the right
    path, grasshopper.

    kp "watch for falling bookshelves" g
     
    kpg, Dec 22, 2004
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  4. Joe Boland

    LnkWizard Guest

    Your feelings are normal especially if you have not had
    too much in the way of hands on training. Your best bet
    is to get your mitts on some virtual PC software and a
    really decent PC and set yourself up a network to practice on.
    Set it up, break it, fix it, try to come up with ways that the
    lusers will crash it and solve those problems. Think of all
    the asinine requests that you could possibly get from the
    PHB's (Management) and either be able to show them
    that it can't be done or know how to do it before it happens.

    This is truly one of those fields where hands-on training is a must.

    I myself was very lucky, I had a good hands-on background with PC's
    and networks before I received an excellent opportunity to get my
    book learning. Now I have a really cool boss who is willing to let me
    get the final bits of knowledge and polish on a live system.

    NO, Neil, I haven't crashed the
    network..................................yet.

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    "Joe Boland" <> wrote in message
    news:Mwbyd.98$...
    > Hi guys, for starters, I'm new to the forum. :)
    >
    > Anyway, to get things started, I am currently an MCSA as well as A+
    > certified.
    >
    > After reading all the things out there about paper techs, I'm really
    > worried about becoming one myself - being certified without really
    > having a full grasp on the material. I've used self-test software and
    > the Microsoft Official Curriculum, and I've done fine so far, averaging
    > about an 80% score on my exams, from what I can make of the scoring

    system.
    >
    > I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for fear
    > of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix. I don't know if
    > paper techs come across this feeling (or even care if they know what
    > they're talking about or not), but I guess I have a sense of pride and
    > dignity, and am worried about not knowing what to do when crunch time

    comes.
    >
    > Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >
    > -Joe
     
    LnkWizard, Dec 22, 2004
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  5. Joe Boland

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    In news:Mwbyd.98$,
    Joe Boland <> rambled:
    >
    > Hi guys, for starters, I'm new to the forum. :)


    Beware, we "torture newbies".

    > Anyway, to get things started, I am currently an MCSA as well as A+
    > certified.
    >
    > After reading all the things out there about paper techs, I'm really
    > worried about becoming one myself - being certified without really
    > having a full grasp on the material. I've used self-test software and
    > the Microsoft Official Curriculum, and I've done fine so far,
    > averaging about an 80% score on my exams, from what I can make of the
    > scoring system.
    >
    > I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for
    > fear
    > of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix. I don't know if
    > paper techs come across this feeling (or even care if they know what
    > they're talking about or not), but I guess I have a sense of pride and
    > dignity, and am worried about not knowing what to do when crunch time
    > comes.
    >
    > Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >


    Heh, of course. No one, no matter what Consultant will tell you, knows
    everything. There are problems that everybody needs help with. Being a good
    tech is only partly about knowing a lot. Another part of it is knowing where
    to go to learn what you don't know.[1] Still another part is, despite the
    reputation of the average MCSE, is keeping the lusers happy.

    I think that your first problem, before worrying about screwing up on the
    job, is actually getting the job. No offense intended, but the IT industry
    isn't exactly overflowing with jobs. Of course, for the qualified (and
    experienced), they're still out there. But for a newbie, it's difficult to
    break in. I lucked out, as I was basically handed the job, and I've worked
    my way up over the last couple years. But it's not so easy for everyone. I
    don't mean to intimidate you or scare you into thinking you have a life of
    poverty ahead. I just want you to be aware that IT isn't what it once was.

    Anyway, best of luck.

    --

    KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

    Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

    My psychiatrist recommends 10mg of Valium, a shot of Tequila, and
    twice-daily viewings of the b00bz0rs forum on www.mcngp.com
     
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 22, 2004
    #5
  6. Joe Boland

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    In news:,
    Ken Briscoe <> rambled:
    >
    > Another part of it is knowing where to go to learn what you don't know.[1]


    Uh duh...

    [1] Technet, google, books, trial-and-error, and here. Roughly in that
    order.

    --

    KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

    Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

    nerd32768's "power of twos" decree prompted me to say this:
    "www.mcngp.com."
     
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 22, 2004
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  7. Joe Boland

    Consultant Guest

    now, try to snatch pebble from hand

    "kpg" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > "Joe Boland" <> wrote in message
    > news:Mwbyd.98$...
    >
    >> <various snipage>
    >> I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for fear
    >> of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix.
    >>
    >> Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >>
    >> -Joe

    >
    > Only for the ones that give a crap. The hard core paper cert
    > doesn't know he doesn't know. You are at least on the right
    > path, grasshopper.
    >
    > kp "watch for falling bookshelves" g
    >
     
    Consultant, Dec 22, 2004
    #7
  8. Joe Boland

    Consultant Guest

    what are you trying to say, ken


    "Ken Briscoe" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In news:Mwbyd.98$,
    > Joe Boland <> rambled:
    >>
    >> Hi guys, for starters, I'm new to the forum. :)

    >
    > Beware, we "torture newbies".
    >
    >> Anyway, to get things started, I am currently an MCSA as well as A+
    >> certified.
    >>
    >> After reading all the things out there about paper techs, I'm really
    >> worried about becoming one myself - being certified without really
    >> having a full grasp on the material. I've used self-test software and
    >> the Microsoft Official Curriculum, and I've done fine so far,
    >> averaging about an 80% score on my exams, from what I can make of the
    >> scoring system.
    >>
    >> I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for
    >> fear
    >> of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix. I don't know if
    >> paper techs come across this feeling (or even care if they know what
    >> they're talking about or not), but I guess I have a sense of pride and
    >> dignity, and am worried about not knowing what to do when crunch time
    >> comes.
    >>
    >> Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >>

    >
    > Heh, of course. No one, no matter what Consultant will tell you, knows
    > everything. There are problems that everybody needs help with. Being a
    > good
    > tech is only partly about knowing a lot. Another part of it is knowing
    > where
    > to go to learn what you don't know.[1] Still another part is, despite the
    > reputation of the average MCSE, is keeping the lusers happy.
    >
    > I think that your first problem, before worrying about screwing up on the
    > job, is actually getting the job. No offense intended, but the IT industry
    > isn't exactly overflowing with jobs. Of course, for the qualified (and
    > experienced), they're still out there. But for a newbie, it's difficult to
    > break in. I lucked out, as I was basically handed the job, and I've worked
    > my way up over the last couple years. But it's not so easy for everyone. I
    > don't mean to intimidate you or scare you into thinking you have a life of
    > poverty ahead. I just want you to be aware that IT isn't what it once was.
    >
    > Anyway, best of luck.
    >
    > --
    >
    > KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
    >
    > Briscobar AT gmail DOT com
    >
    > My psychiatrist recommends 10mg of Valium, a shot of Tequila, and
    > twice-daily viewings of the b00bz0rs forum on www.mcngp.com
    >
    >
     
    Consultant, Dec 22, 2004
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  9. Joe Boland

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    then try to pull the finger out of the dike.

    "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoodotcom> wrote in
    news:#:

    > now, try to snatch pebble from hand
    >
    > "kpg" <> wrote in message
    > news:%...
    >> "Joe Boland" <> wrote in message
    >> news:Mwbyd.98$...
    >>
    >>> <various snipage>
    >>> I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for
    >>> fear of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix.
    >>>
    >>> Anyway, is this a normal feeling for any newly certified tech?
    >>>
    >>> -Joe

    >>
    >> Only for the ones that give a crap. The hard core paper cert
    >> doesn't know he doesn't know. You are at least on the right
    >> path, grasshopper.
    >>
    >> kp "watch for falling bookshelves" g
    >>

    >
    >




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    Rowdy Yates, Dec 22, 2004
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  10. Joe Boland

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    Rowdy Yates, Dec 22, 2004
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  11. Joe Boland

    Neil Guest

    did you hear "LnkWizard" <> say in news:u
    $hlV#:

    > NO, Neil, I haven't crashed the
    > network..................................yet.


    what's keeping you...

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    Neil MCNGP #30
    Visit www.mcngp.com for your chance to amuse
    nerd32768 and annoy the rest of us
     
    Neil, Dec 22, 2004
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  12. Joe Boland

    Neil Guest

    did you hear "Ken Briscoe" <> say in
    news::

    > Heh, of course. No one, no matter what Consultant will tell you, knows
    > everything. There are problems that everybody needs help with. Being a
    > good tech is only partly about knowing a lot. Another part of it is
    > knowing where to go to learn what you don't know.[1] Still another
    > part is, despite the reputation of the average MCSE, is keeping the
    > lusers happy.


    wow, this is right on the money...impressive Briscoe...

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    Neil MCNGP #30
    Visit www.mcngp.com for your chance to amuse
    nerd32768 and annoy the rest of us
     
    Neil, Dec 22, 2004
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  13. Joe Boland

    Neil Guest

    did you hear Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates_mcngpATyahooDOTcom> say in
    news:Xns95C771424EE02rowdyyates2124@207.46.248.16:

    > then try to pull the finger out of the dike.


    you'll prolly get smacked by the other dyke for putting your finger in...

    --
    Neil MCNGP #30
    Visit www.mcngp.com for your chance to amuse
    nerd32768 and annoy the rest of us
     
    Neil, Dec 22, 2004
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  14. Joe Boland

    Kat Guest


    >
    > > NO, Neil, I haven't crashed the
    > > network..................................yet.

    >
    > what's keeping you...
    >
    > --


    Getting behind a little aren't you? I did that WEEKS ago... I call it a
    "redundancy check" when I shut the switch off...

    Kat SAN Master #29
     
    Kat, Dec 22, 2004
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  15. Joe Boland

    Neil Guest

    did you hear Joe Boland <> say in news:Mwbyd.98$Y_
    :

    > I guess I'm just worried about getting a job in the IT industry for

    fear
    > of coming across a problem I don't know how to fix.


    welcome to the crew. after 20 years in the biz I still get the WTF?!?!
    problems. They will always be around so long as someone decides we need
    something newer and better. We put in a Cluster only to find that a
    Veritas driver is wobbly and took down both nodes, we spend a huge chunk
    of change on a new SAN only to have the entire Server infrastructure go
    down due to improper zoning. life's like that. if it was too easy they
    would stop paying us.

    good luck finding a job. you seem to have a good attitude...

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    Neil, Dec 22, 2004
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  16. Joe Boland

    LnkWizard Guest

    "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns95C7851554B56neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
    > did you hear "LnkWizard" <> say in news:u
    > $hlV#:
    >
    > > NO, Neil, I haven't crashed the
    > > network..................................yet.

    >
    > what's keeping you...
    >



    Waiting for a real appropriate time, like when I have another
    higher paying job lined up and waiting for me

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    LnkWizard, Dec 22, 2004
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  17. Joe Boland

    Kat Guest

    we spend a huge chunk
    > of change on a new SAN only to have the entire Server infrastructure go
    > down due to improper zoning. life's like that. if it was too easy they
    > would stop paying us.
    >


    Neil- any reason to have an MSA 1000 and an EVA5000 on different VSAN's?
    Thats our current set up, inherited from previous SAN Admin. I was asked if
    we could move tot he same VSAN, to share (not that that's necessary, but
    maybe in future)

    Only reason I could think for them doing this, aside from security which we
    don't need, is the fact that the MSA is using VMWare (esx ) and the EVA has
    Windows machines.

    HP has no clue, thought I'd throw it at you. You know everything :D

    *Befuddled* Kat
     
    Kat, Dec 22, 2004
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  18. Joe Boland

    Neil Guest

    did you hear "Kat" <lustspeed AT yahoo xxxxdotxxxx com> say in
    news::

    > Kat SAN Master #29


    shouldn't you be a SAN mistress...

    *arousing images*

    oh, my...now I will need a kleenex...

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    Neil, Dec 22, 2004
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  19. Joe Boland

    Kat Guest


    > > Kat SAN Master #29

    >
    > shouldn't you be a SAN mistress...
    >


    I prefer the term SAN Princess...mistress does have a catchy ring to it....

    Kat *Mistress of all things Tech Related*
     
    Kat, Dec 22, 2004
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  20. Joe Boland

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    In news:Xns95C78566FEA5Fneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16,
    Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> rambled:
    >
    > did you hear Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates_mcngpATyahooDOTcom> say in
    > news:Xns95C771424EE02rowdyyates2124@207.46.248.16:
    >
    >> then try to pull the finger out of the dike.

    >
    > you'll prolly get smacked by the other dyke for putting your finger
    > in...


    I was waiting for the dike/dyke comment, and it was worth the wait Neil.
    Nicely done.

    --

    KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

    Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

    If you don't like techgeekpro, visit www.mcngp.com and hold down your
    F5 key.
     
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 22, 2004
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