new mcse

Discussion in 'MCTS' started by phoenix, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. phoenix

    phoenix Guest

    is this the new mcse in server 2008 stream ??

    can anyone show me the rosd map.. the microsoft chart of this
    certification and all exams involved..

    anyone can take exam and pay money.. no special requirements ?



    Cheers,
    phoenix, Oct 28, 2008
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  2. phoenix

    John R Guest

    "phoenix" <> wrote in message
    news:Oc%...
    > is this the new mcse in server 2008 stream ??
    >
    > can anyone show me the rosd map.. the microsoft chart of this
    > certification and all exams involved..
    >
    > anyone can take exam and pay money.. no special requirements ?
    >


    There is no MCSE 2008. I suggest you look into MCITP: Enterprise
    Administrator.
    Anyone can pay their money and take the exam.

    John R
    John R, Oct 29, 2008
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  3. Look into these two specialties. I've certified in both. There is some
    overlap, but enough differences that I think that they are both well worth
    while. If your main goal is Enterprise Administrator, then its just one
    extra exam to certify for Server Administrator as well.


    MCITP: Server Administrator

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcitp/windowsserver/2008/server/default.mspx



    MCITP: Enterprise Administrator

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcitp/windowsserver/2008/enterprise/default.mspx
    Harvey Colwell, Oct 29, 2008
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  4. "Harvey Colwell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Look into these two specialties. I've certified in both. There is some
    > overlap, but enough differences that I think that they are both well worth
    > while. If your main goal is Enterprise Administrator, then its just one
    > extra exam to certify for Server Administrator as well.


    Actually.... three.

    Enterprise Adminstrator requires these three exams, not in the 'SA' program:
    70-643 - MCTS: Applications Infrastructure, Configuring
    70-620 - MCTS: Configuring Microsoft Windows Vista Clieng
    70-647 - MCITP: Enterprise Administrator

    Server Administrator (unlike the former MSCA) does not require a desktop
    exam,
    only the -640 (Active Directory), -642 (Network Infrastructure), and -646
    (Server Administration)

    MCITP:SA is 3 exams; MCITP:EA is 5 exams.


    --
    Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
    Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

    MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
    Lawrence Garvin \(MVP\), Oct 29, 2008
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  5. What I said is, if you plan to get certified as an Enterprise Administrator
    anyway, then there's only one additional exam to take (70-646) to get
    certified as a Server Administrator as well.



    "Lawrence Garvin (MVP)" <lawrence@nospam> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Harvey Colwell" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Look into these two specialties. I've certified in both. There is some
    >> overlap, but enough differences that I think that they are both well
    >> worth while. If your main goal is Enterprise Administrator, then its just
    >> one extra exam to certify for Server Administrator as well.

    >
    > Actually.... three.
    >
    > Enterprise Adminstrator requires these three exams, not in the 'SA'
    > program:
    > 70-643 - MCTS: Applications Infrastructure, Configuring
    > 70-620 - MCTS: Configuring Microsoft Windows Vista Clieng
    > 70-647 - MCITP: Enterprise Administrator
    >
    > Server Administrator (unlike the former MSCA) does not require a desktop
    > exam,
    > only the -640 (Active Directory), -642 (Network Infrastructure), and -646
    > (Server Administration)
    >
    > MCITP:SA is 3 exams; MCITP:EA is 5 exams.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    > Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
    > Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)
    >
    > MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    > My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    > http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    > My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
    >
    Harvey Colwell, Oct 30, 2008
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  6. "Harvey Colwell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > What I said is, if you plan to get certified as an Enterprise
    > Administrator anyway, then there's only one additional exam to take
    > (70-646) to get certified as a Server Administrator as well.


    Ahh... yes... well... now that scenario is true...

    but why would one put all the effort into obtaining an MCITP:EA,
    and then go back to get the junior certification?

    The natural progression, I would think,
    would be to complete the two MCTS exams (640/642),
    and then the 70-646, thus earning an MCITP credential...

    And then worry about the 620/643/647 exams for the premier credential.

    But I do concede, your statement is accurate... and I misunderstood.

    Earning the MCITP:SA =after= the MCITP:EA only requires one additional exam.

    --
    Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
    Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

    MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
    Lawrence Garvin \(MVP\), Oct 30, 2008
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  7. That's a mistaken assumption. Server Administrator is not a junior
    certification to Enterprise Administrator, as MCSA was to MCSE. Exam 70-646
    covers a totally different job specification, or job role as Microsoft likes
    to call it. In fact, the Server Administrator is focused on day-to-day
    operations, while the Enterprise Administrator is focused on design (no more
    hands on). Design is obviously a more senior position, but not a more
    technically advanced one. If you're a "doer" and not a "set in the office
    and go to meetings all day" kind of guy, then I believe that Server
    Administrator is the better of the two job roles. Although most of us do
    some of both jobs.

    Microsoft has broken down the certification process into smaller, more
    easily obtainable chunks. They call it "providing certifications that more
    closely match a person's job role". I call it "we better make getting
    certified easier, because each year there's fewer and fewer people getting
    certified".

    Check out the "Number of Microsoft Certified Professionals Worldwide" site.
    Compare MCSEs for Windows NT (395,816), Windows 2000 (290,456), and Windows
    2003 (139,790). The exams have gotten harder, and the people that are
    willing to endure the process, has gotten fewer. Can you imagine how few
    Windows 2008 MCSEs there would have been. I'm guessing well under 50,000.
    Microsoft had to do something. So the the good old MSCE has been broken down
    into multiple MCTS certifications that only require two exams and two MCITP
    certifications that require 5 or less exams. Now when they talk about the
    number of Windows 2008 certified people, it will look really impressive.

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certified.mspx


    I know that in large companies, IT people do specialize. But I would hate to
    have on my resume; for the last 6 years I was a Backup Administrator or an
    Infrastructure Specialist. The more you know, but more importantly, the more
    you've actually done, will make you that much more valuable.

    For that reason, I would think that most people that already have a MCSE
    would naturally want to earn both of these new certifications. And if that
    goes for people upgrading their certifications, it should also apply to the
    new commers as well.

    Here's a couple of quotes from Microsoft's Certification web site.

    -----
    Q. Is Exam 70-647 a superset of Exam 70-646? If I take Exam 70-647, will I
    earn MCITP: Server Administrator certification automatically?

    A. No. In the past, MCSA could be a subset of MCSE, but based on feedback
    we received, we now have two separate paths:

    .. Enterprise Administrator focuses on design

    .. Server Administrator focuses on operations

    Unlike MCSA and MCSE certifications, these are two different job roles with
    two different sets of requirements. If you earn the MCITP: Enterprise
    Administrator certification, you do not automatically earn the MCITP: Server
    Administrator certification.

    -----
    Differences between MCITP: Enterprise Administrator and MCITP: Server
    Administrator

    The MCITP: Enterprise Administrator certification does not encompass the
    MCITP: Server Administrator certification. There is overlap in the
    requirements and prerequisites for each certification, but you need to
    complete both paths separately to earn both certifications. The
    certification you choose depends on your current or future job role. Our
    research and your feedback have led us to conclude that these are two very
    separate roles in organizations. You now have the option to become certified
    on your job skill set.
    Harvey Colwell, Oct 31, 2008
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  8. phoenix

    John R Guest

    "Harvey Colwell" <> wrote in message
    news:...

    > Check out the "Number of Microsoft Certified Professionals Worldwide"
    > site.
    > Compare MCSEs for Windows NT (395,816), Windows 2000 (290,456), and
    > Windows
    > 2003 (139,790). The exams have gotten harder, and the people that are
    > willing to endure the process, has gotten fewer. Can you imagine how few
    > Windows 2008 MCSEs there would have been. I'm guessing well under 50,000.
    > Microsoft had to do something.


    That's a really interesting perspective on those numbers, and certainly one
    that I did not come up with when I first saw that. My take on it was that
    MCSE is MCSE is MCSE in the general population. While many many people have
    asked me if I am an MCSE, not a single person has ever asked me what flavor
    of MCSE I have (2003, btw) except for other MCSEs. This, of course, is one
    of the problems that I think Microsoft is trying to address with MCITP : SA
    and MCITP : EA. However, they now have left the door open for the next
    server OS certifications since these don't specify versions either.

    At any rate, I think (read: personal opinion) there are a lot of MCSE NTs
    and MCSE 2000s out there that just don't see the benefit of earning MCSE
    2003 since almost nobody will ever ask them, except potential employers
    where they will simply claim their experience (which is after all much more
    important than the cert). The existing MCSE will get them the interview,
    and their existing cert plus their current experience will have them
    covered. At least, that is the attitude I have found with several MCSE
    2000s that I know.

    But your perspective is really adroit, and certainly must comprise some
    component of those numbers, maybe the better part of it.

    John R
    John R, Oct 31, 2008
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  9. THIS IS NOT AS CAMPARE TO FIRST MCSE
    GURDEV SINGH DHILLO, Dec 3, 2008
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