National ID Card

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  1. Collector»NZ, May 6, 2005
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    Bret Guest

    Bret, May 6, 2005
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  3. Bret said the following on 6/05/2005 3:47 p.m.:
    > On Fri, 06 May 2005 15:37:00 +1200, Collector»NZ
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Well maybe, going by the indicators the Yanks are heading
    >>that way fast.
    >>For more see
    >>http://nzcollector.blogspot.com/2005/05/drivers-license-hassle-it-may-get.html

    >
    >
    > We already have ours (national ID card), perhaps we are the guinea
    > pigs again.

    We have a structure that is close to a National ID card it
    is when they decide we are going to have a National ID card
    and they take all the DL data and the IRD data to make an ID
    card that can be issued (verifiably) to every man women and
    child. Papers Please Citizen....

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    Collector»NZ, May 6, 2005
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  4. Collector»NZ

    Evil Bastard Guest

    could backfire

    Collector»NZ wrote:
    >>> Well maybe, going by the indicators the Yanks are heading that way fast.
    >>> For more see
    >>> http://nzcollector.blogspot.com/2005/05/drivers-license-hassle-it-may-get.html


    >> We already have ours (national ID card), perhaps we are the guinea
    >> pigs again.


    > We have a structure that is close to a National ID card it is when they
    > decide we are going to have a National ID card and they take all the DL
    > data and the IRD data to make an ID card that can be issued (verifiably)
    > to every man women and child. Papers Please Citizen....


    Could backfire - if people get sufficiently pissed off with it, we could
    see a thriving black market in fake IDs, patronised by disgruntled but
    otherwise honest citizens, which would compromise the integrity of the
    whole system.

    I know that if mandatory 'internal passport' style ID cards came in, I'd
    definitely buy fake IDs purely to manage my privacy.

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    Evil Bastard, May 6, 2005
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  5. There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card



    ID Cards are the badge of slavery.

    Patrick
     
    Patrick FitzGerald, May 6, 2005
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  6. There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card



    ID Cards are the badge of slavery.

    Patrick
     
    Patrick FitzGerald, May 6, 2005
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  7. There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card



    ID Cards are the badge of slavery.

    Patrick
     
    Patrick FitzGerald, May 6, 2005
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  8. Patrick FitzGerald said the following on 6/05/2005 5:52 p.m.:
    >
    > There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card
    >
    >
    >
    > ID Cards are the badge of slavery.
    >
    > Patrick

    I Think you made your point after the second post :cool:

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    Collector»NZ, May 6, 2005
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  9. Collector»NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Re: could backfire

    Evil Bastard wrote:
    > Collector»NZ wrote:
    >>>> Well maybe, going by the indicators the Yanks are heading that way
    >>>> fast. For more see
    >>>>

    http://nzcollector.blogspot.com/2005/05/drivers-license-hassle-it-may-get.ht
    ml
    >
    >>> We already have ours (national ID card), perhaps we are the guinea
    >>> pigs again.

    >
    >> We have a structure that is close to a National ID card it is when
    >> they decide we are going to have a National ID card and they take
    >> all the DL data and the IRD data to make an ID card that can be
    >> issued (verifiably) to every man women and child. Papers Please
    >> Citizen....

    >
    > Could backfire - if people get sufficiently pissed off with it, we
    > could see a thriving black market in fake IDs, patronised by
    > disgruntled but otherwise honest citizens, which would compromise the
    > integrity of the whole system.
    >
    > I know that if mandatory 'internal passport' style ID cards came in,
    > I'd definitely buy fake IDs purely to manage my privacy.


    As will I. Purely as a protest.
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    ~misfit~, May 6, 2005
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  10. Collector»NZ

    BTMO Guest

    "Collector»NZ" <> wrote

    >> There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> ID Cards are the badge of slavery.
    >>
    >> Patrick

    > I Think you made your point after the second post :cool:


    I think he wins the "overstating the freakin' obvious award" for today, as
    well...
     
    BTMO, May 6, 2005
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  11. Collector»NZ

    Roger Guest

    On Fri, 06 May 2005 17:48:48 +1200, Patrick FitzGerald
    <> wrote:

    >
    >
    >There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card
    >
    >
    >
    >ID Cards are the badge of slavery.
    >
    >Patrick



    Typical scummy socialist. You want to live in a state controlled
    community. Where wealth is pillaged out of a few. For the so-called
    public good. You applaud all the controls. Clark and her Politburo
    have imposed by force. To achieve your Socialist utopia. And yet you
    object to a ID card.
    The only people who can object to a National ID card are the Libz
    supporters, Because they don’t want to be controlled by the state.
    Unlike socialist who want to be controlled from the cradle to the
    grave.

    Roger
     
    Roger, May 6, 2005
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  12. Collector»NZ

    Peter Guest

    On Fri, 06 May 2005 18:00:42 +1200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Collector=BBNZ?=
    <> wrote:

    >Patrick FitzGerald said the following on 6/05/2005 5:52 p.m.:
    >>
    >> There is no way that we should ever have a National ID card
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> ID Cards are the badge of slavery.
    >>
    >> Patrick

    >I Think you made your point after the second post :cool:
    >

    Patrick does not normally post in duplicate but his finger may have
    slipped this time.
     
    Peter, May 6, 2005
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  13. Collector»NZ

    Don Hills Guest

    Re: could backfire

    In article <>,
    "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >Evil Bastard wrote:
    >>
    >> I know that if mandatory 'internal passport' style ID cards came in,
    >> I'd definitely buy fake IDs purely to manage my privacy.

    >
    >As will I. Purely as a protest.


    Uh huh. And if a significant number of people do this, "they" will put in
    place systems to detect these fake IDs when used. They'll make the penalties
    for such use very severe, then make an example of a few people. Still
    feeling brave? Think it through before you answer...

    --
    Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
    "New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
    preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
    -- Microsoft advertisement on the box for Windows 2.11 for 286
     
    Don Hills, May 6, 2005
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  14. Collector»NZ

    BTMO Guest

    "Peter" <> wrote

    >>I Think you made your point after the second post :cool:
    >>

    > Patrick does not normally post in duplicate but his finger may have
    > slipped this time.


    Maybe he has put on some weight....?

    ;-)
     
    BTMO, May 7, 2005
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  15. Collector»NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Re: could backfire

    Don Hills wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >> Evil Bastard wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I know that if mandatory 'internal passport' style ID cards came in,
    >>> I'd definitely buy fake IDs purely to manage my privacy.

    >>
    >> As will I. Purely as a protest.

    >
    > Uh huh. And if a significant number of people do this, "they" will
    > put in place systems to detect these fake IDs when used. They'll make
    > the penalties for such use very severe, then make an example of a few
    > people. Still feeling brave? Think it through before you answer...


    That totally depends on my living situation when/if it happens. If I'm
    single then, yes, still feeling brave. I'm an invalid and don't have a job
    to lose. I've been to jail before*, so am better equiped to handle this type
    of civil disobedience and the consequences than most. Although I like to
    think I'm smart enough to avoid jail (excepting bad luck).

    ******************

    * I commited what amounts to two 'crimes'. (1) I cultivated cannabis and (2)
    I was poor and hence was stuck with a moronic legal-aid lawyer. As I used
    high-tech cultivation techniques (aeroponics etc.) that the cops hadn't even
    heard of before yet alone seen I was sentenced to jail, even though there
    was insufficient 'pot' for me to be charged with cultivation for supply.

    I was mainly using it for pain-control as the NZ medical profession don't
    prescribe painkillers that actually work to anyone who doesn't have a
    terminal condition. Even though my condition has "gone degenerative" (in the
    words of the orthopedic surgeon who examined me) and isn't going to get
    better it's not going to kill me as such so I can't have pain relief that
    works.
    --
    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, May 7, 2005
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    Mike Dee Guest

    Patrick FitzGerald <> wrote in
    news::


    > Newsgroups: nz.comp,nz.politics


    Thanks for X-posting this into nz.politics, Patrick :p

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    dee
     
    Mike Dee, May 7, 2005
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  17. Collector»NZ

    Don Hills Guest

    Re: could backfire

    In article <>,
    "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >That totally depends on my living situation when/if it happens. If I'm
    >single then, yes, still feeling brave. I'm an invalid and don't have a job
    >to lose. I've been to jail before*, so am better equiped to handle this type
    >of civil disobedience and the consequences than most. Although I like to
    >think I'm smart enough to avoid jail (excepting bad luck).


    So your use of a fake ID would be purely as a form of protest? It's not
    terribly effective unless you have a large number of like-minded
    compatriots.

    As for being smart enough, I idly wonder how you got sprung for cultivation.
    Since it was for your own use, I don't imagine you'd have been telling the
    world what you were up to.

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    Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
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    -- Microsoft advertisement on the box for Windows 2.11 for 286
     
    Don Hills, May 7, 2005
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  18. Collector»NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Re: could backfire

    Don Hills wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >> That totally depends on my living situation when/if it happens. If
    >> I'm single then, yes, still feeling brave. I'm an invalid and don't
    >> have a job to lose. I've been to jail before*, so am better equiped
    >> to handle this type of civil disobedience and the consequences than
    >> most. Although I like to think I'm smart enough to avoid jail
    >> (excepting bad luck).

    >
    > So your use of a fake ID would be purely as a form of protest? It's
    > not terribly effective unless you have a large number of like-minded
    > compatriots.


    Well, I'd hope others were doing the same. It's no good thinking one person
    can't do anything alone or we'll all be bar-coded by 2010.

    > As for being smart enough, I idly wonder how you got sprung for
    > cultivation. Since it was for your own use, I don't imagine you'd
    > have been telling the world what you were up to.


    I was waiting for that one. I had the misfortune of casually phoning
    somebody the police suspected for an armed robbery on the day I called him
    and I have a firearms licence, they were desperate to get someone for it
    (two years had passed) so got a warrant to search my place for firearms and
    jewelery. And no, I had no idea he was the sort of guy whom the police would
    suspect of that sort of thing (Heck, *I* had no idea, I don't even know if
    he did it or was convicted, I hardly knew him, I was just told he was a
    painting contractor and could get me 10 litres of paint cheaply and was
    given his number. All I got was his voice mailbox and never heard from him.)
    or I wouldn't have called him, or if I did it wouldn't have been from my own
    phone.

    That's why I put in the "excepting bad luck" above.
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    ~misfit~, May 8, 2005
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    Don Hills Guest

    Re: could backfire

    In article <>,
    "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >Well, I'd hope others were doing the same. It's no good thinking one person
    >can't do anything alone or we'll all be bar-coded by 2010.


    I wonder how well the refuseniks with "lifetime" licenses are getting on?

    >That's why I put in the "excepting bad luck" above.


    As you say, it was just bad luck for you. The odds are ten to one that the
    million to one chance will get you. <grin>

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    Don Hills, May 8, 2005
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    Bret Guest

    Re: could backfire

    On Sun, 8 May 2005 16:27:40 +1200, "~misfit~" <>
    wrote:

    >Don Hills wrote:
    >> In article <>,
    >> "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >>> That totally depends on my living situation when/if it happens. If
    >>> I'm single then, yes, still feeling brave. I'm an invalid and don't
    >>> have a job to lose. I've been to jail before*, so am better equiped
    >>> to handle this type of civil disobedience and the consequences than
    >>> most. Although I like to think I'm smart enough to avoid jail
    >>> (excepting bad luck).

    >>
    >> So your use of a fake ID would be purely as a form of protest? It's
    >> not terribly effective unless you have a large number of like-minded
    >> compatriots.

    >
    >Well, I'd hope others were doing the same. It's no good thinking one person
    >can't do anything alone or we'll all be bar-coded by 2010.


    Got a photo id drivers licence?
    If so you are already part of the problem.

    >> As for being smart enough, I idly wonder how you got sprung for
    >> cultivation. Since it was for your own use, I don't imagine you'd
    >> have been telling the world what you were up to.

    >
    >I was waiting for that one. I had the misfortune of casually phoning
    >somebody the police suspected for an armed robbery on the day I called him
    >and I have a firearms licence, they were desperate to get someone for it
    >(two years had passed) so got a warrant to search my place for firearms and
    >jewelery. And no, I had no idea he was the sort of guy whom the police would
    >suspect of that sort of thing (Heck, *I* had no idea, I don't even know if
    >he did it or was convicted, I hardly knew him, I was just told he was a
    >painting contractor and could get me 10 litres of paint cheaply and was
    >given his number. All I got was his voice mailbox and never heard from him.)
    >or I wouldn't have called him, or if I did it wouldn't have been from my own
    >phone.
    >
    >That's why I put in the "excepting bad luck" above.


    You should have got a lawyer Misfit :(
     
    Bret, May 8, 2005
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