MS fined $32m (US) in Sth Korea

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by GraB, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. GraB

    GraB Guest

    GraB, Dec 7, 2005
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  2. GraB

    Shane Guest

    On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:28:57 +1300, GraB wrote:

    > http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >
    > Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    > talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    > operating system.
    >
    >


    Its hardly earth shattering, more symbolic than anything
    whats $32 mill to Microsoft these days?, 15 minutes?


    > Also: "XBox Burns House Down"
    >
    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27873
    >
    >
    > and: "Microsoft Sued Over Xbox 360"
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/9nz8r


    Wasnt Roger saying something like this about the 360?

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    Optimization hinders evolution.
     
    Shane, Dec 7, 2005
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  3. GraB

    steve Guest

    Shane wrote:

    > On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:28:57 +1300, GraB wrote:
    >
    >> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>
    >> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >> operating system.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Its hardly earth shattering, more symbolic than anything
    > whats $32 mill to Microsoft these days?, 15 minutes?


    They also ordered MS to redesign parts of Windows.

    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5985912.html?tag=nl.e589
     
    steve, Dec 7, 2005
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  4. GraB

    Shane Guest

    On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:37:17 +1300, steve wrote:

    > Shane wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:28:57 +1300, GraB wrote:
    >>
    >>> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>>
    >>> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >>> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >>> operating system.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Its hardly earth shattering, more symbolic than anything
    >> whats $32 mill to Microsoft these days?, 15 minutes?

    >
    > They also ordered MS to redesign parts of Windows.
    >
    > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5985912.html?tag=nl.e589


    IIRC that order mirrors the one made by the EU. And the EU's experience
    was, Nobody big or small used Windows N

    Wet bus ticket time


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    The core is not frozen, but slushy.
    -- Larry Wall in <>
     
    Shane, Dec 7, 2005
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  5. GraB

    Peter Guest

    Shane wrote:

    >
    > IIRC that order mirrors the one made by the EU. And the EU's experience
    > was, Nobody big or small used Windows N
    >
    > Wet bus ticket time
    >

    Bill and Steve threatened to stop selling Windows and Office in South Korea,
    and the Koreans pretty well said 'make our day'. I am not sure what they
    can do - chucking furniture around is not going to help.
     
    Peter, Dec 7, 2005
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  6. GraB

    MarkH Guest

    GraB <> wrote in
    news::

    > http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >
    > Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    > talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    > operating system.


    If you consider how Linus Torvald's first name is pronounced in his native
    tongue(Lee'nus in his native Swedish) then maybe Leenex is actually closer
    to the right pronunciation, since almost everyone pronounces Linux
    incorrectly (or at least differently) you are foolish to laugh at how
    someone in another country pronounces it.

    Linus himself has stated that he doesn't really care how it is pronounced,
    though he prefers the short 'i' sound (where Linux rhymes with cynics) as
    it sounds closer to the way it it pronounced in Swedish (ee sound like feet
    buy shorter).

    Of course to most people it doesn't really matter. Most English speaking
    people use Anglicised pronunciations all the time (like Paris where no one
    bothers to pronounce it the French way).


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    "The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a
    young woman. There was no possible way she could have been mistaken
    for a young man in any language, especially Braille."
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    MarkH, Dec 7, 2005
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  7. GraB

    Shane Guest

    On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:59:24 +0000, MarkH wrote:

    > GraB <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>
    >> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >> operating system.

    >
    > If you consider how Linus Torvald's first name is pronounced in his native
    > tongue(Lee'nus in his native Swedish) then maybe Leenex is actually closer
    > to the right pronunciation, since almost everyone pronounces Linux
    > incorrectly (or at least differently) you are foolish to laugh at how
    > someone in another country pronounces it.
    >
    > Linus himself has stated that he doesn't really care how it is pronounced,
    > though he prefers the short 'i' sound (where Linux rhymes with cynics) as
    > it sounds closer to the way it it pronounced in Swedish (ee sound like feet
    > buy shorter).
    >
    > Of course to most people it doesn't really matter. Most English speaking
    > people use Anglicised pronunciations all the time (like Paris where no one
    > bothers to pronounce it the French way).


    Leen ocks
    lyn ucks
    lie nex
    debian, slackware, fedora, mandriva, ubuntu (although I dont say that one
    often, I just point at the cd :)

    --
    Real Users are afraid they'll break the machine -- but they're never
    afraid to break your face.
     
    Shane, Dec 8, 2005
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  8. GraB

    steve Guest

    Shane wrote:

    > On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:37:17 +1300, steve wrote:
    >
    >> Shane wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:28:57 +1300, GraB wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>>>
    >>>> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >>>> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >>>> operating system.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Its hardly earth shattering, more symbolic than anything
    >>> whats $32 mill to Microsoft these days?, 15 minutes?

    >>
    >> They also ordered MS to redesign parts of Windows.
    >>
    >> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5985912.html?tag=nl.e589

    >
    > IIRC that order mirrors the one made by the EU. And the EU's experience
    > was, Nobody big or small used Windows N


    That's because they allowed the usual version of Windows to also be
    available. If Windows N was all there was, then it would be different.

    > Wet bus ticket time


    I'd have to read the order to be sure.....
     
    steve, Dec 8, 2005
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  9. GraB

    steve Guest

    Peter wrote:

    > Shane wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> IIRC that order mirrors the one made by the EU. And the EU's experience
    >> was, Nobody big or small used Windows N
    >>
    >> Wet bus ticket time
    >>

    > Bill and Steve threatened to stop selling Windows and Office in South
    > Korea,
    > and the Koreans pretty well said 'make our day'. I am not sure what they
    > can do - chucking furniture around is not going to help.


    True.

    Leaving the field clear for several Korean distros of linux in a market with
    22 million people would be a huge talent pool for Linux application
    development - not to mention the DRIVERS vendors of all sorts of things
    would have to develop....and which would benefit everyone, everywhere.

    Sounds like a great idea.
     
    steve, Dec 8, 2005
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  10. GraB

    brianM Guest

    On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:59:24 +1000, MarkH wrote:

    > GraB <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>
    >> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >> operating system.

    >
    > If you consider how Linus Torvald's first name is pronounced in his
    > native tongue(Lee'nus in his native Swedish) then maybe Leenex is
    > actually closer to the right pronunciation, since almost everyone
    > pronounces Linux incorrectly (or at least differently) you are foolish
    > to laugh at how someone in another country pronounces it.
    >
    > Linus himself has stated that he doesn't really care how it is
    > pronounced, though he prefers the short 'i' sound (where Linux rhymes
    > with cynics) as it sounds closer to the way it it pronounced in Swedish
    > (ee sound like feet buy shorter).
    >
    > Of course to most people it doesn't really matter. Most English
    > speaking people use Anglicised pronunciations all the time (like Paris
    > where no one bothers to pronounce it the French way).


    Apparently Leenoose got so pissed off with the US pronunciation of his
    name that he changed it to Lie-nuss to keep them happy.
    There used to be a little sound file in Red Hat for testing your
    soundcard - "I'm Leenoose Torvolds and I pronounce Lin-ux Lin-ux"
    There ya go

    cheers
    BrianM
     
    brianM, Dec 8, 2005
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  11. GraB

    brianM Guest

    On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:45:54 +1000, steve wrote:

    > Peter wrote:
    >
    >> Shane wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> IIRC that order mirrors the one made by the EU. And the EU's
    >>> experience was, Nobody big or small used Windows N
    >>>
    >>> Wet bus ticket time
    >>>

    >> Bill and Steve threatened to stop selling Windows and Office in South
    >> Korea,
    >> and the Koreans pretty well said 'make our day'. I am not sure what
    >> they can do - chucking furniture around is not going to help.

    >
    > True.
    >
    > Leaving the field clear for several Korean distros of linux in a market
    > with 22 million people would be a huge talent pool for Linux application
    > development - not to mention the DRIVERS vendors of all sorts of things
    > would have to develop....and which would benefit everyone, everywhere.
    >
    > Sounds like a great idea.


    For the drivers alone I say bring it on.

    cheers'
    BrianM
     
    brianM, Dec 8, 2005
    #11
  12. GraB

    GraB Guest

    On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:59:24 GMT, MarkH <> wrote:

    >GraB <> wrote in
    >news::
    >
    >> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>
    >> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >> operating system.

    >
    >If you consider how Linus Torvald's first name is pronounced in his native
    >tongue(Lee'nus in his native Swedish) then maybe Leenex is actually closer
    >to the right pronunciation, since almost everyone pronounces Linux
    >incorrectly (or at least differently) you are foolish to laugh at how
    >someone in another country pronounces it.
    >

    Lighten up. It was an American MS employee who was mispronouncing it
    on purpose.
     
    GraB, Dec 8, 2005
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  13. GraB

    bambam Guest

    brianM <> wrote in
    news:p:

    > There used to be a little sound file in Red Hat for testing your
    > soundcard - "I'm Leenoose Torvolds and I pronounce Lin-ux Lin-ux"
    > There ya go


    No, here you go. :)

    http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
     
    bambam, Dec 8, 2005
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  14. GraB

    Allistar Guest

    steve wrote:

    > Peter wrote:
    >
    >> Shane wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> IIRC that order mirrors the one made by the EU. And the EU's experience
    >>> was, Nobody big or small used Windows N
    >>>
    >>> Wet bus ticket time
    >>>

    >> Bill and Steve threatened to stop selling Windows and Office in South
    >> Korea,
    >> and the Koreans pretty well said 'make our day'. I am not sure what they
    >> can do - chucking furniture around is not going to help.

    >
    > True.
    >
    > Leaving the field clear for several Korean distros of linux in a market
    > with 22 million people would be a huge talent pool for Linux application
    > development - not to mention the DRIVERS vendors of all sorts of things
    > would have to develop....and which would benefit everyone, everywhere.
    >
    > Sounds like a great idea.


    Once it gets a decent foothold in a large enough democracy it will be the
    end of times for the stranglehold Microsoft has had on the software
    industry.

    Operating systems and nonspecialised software should be readily available to
    all who need them without draconian agreements or price gouging.

    Allistar.
     
    Allistar, Dec 8, 2005
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  15. GraB

    brianM Guest

    On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:19:06 +1000, bambam wrote:

    > brianM <> wrote in
    > news:p:
    >
    >> There used to be a little sound file in Red Hat for testing your
    >> soundcard - "I'm Leenoose Torvolds and I pronounce Lin-ux Lin-ux" There
    >> ya go

    >
    > No, here you go. :)
    >
    > http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/


    Good one ! now how long ago was Red Hat 5. something.

    BrianM
     
    brianM, Dec 8, 2005
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  16. GraB

    GraB Guest

    On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:18:45 +1300, GraB <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:59:24 GMT, MarkH <> wrote:
    >
    >>GraB <> wrote in
    >>news::
    >>
    >>> http://tinyurl.com/cx7oa
    >>>
    >>> Had to laugh at the MS spokesman in Sth Korea, talking on BBC news,
    >>> talking about the Korean Government going to the 'competitive Leenex'
    >>> operating system.

    >>
    >>If you consider how Linus Torvald's first name is pronounced in his native
    >>tongue(Lee'nus in his native Swedish) then maybe Leenex is actually closer
    >>to the right pronunciation, since almost everyone pronounces Linux
    >>incorrectly (or at least differently) you are foolish to laugh at how
    >>someone in another country pronounces it.
    >>

    >Lighten up. It was an American MS employee who was mispronouncing it
    >on purpose.


    Perhaps he wanted it to sound like Kleenex?
     
    GraB, Dec 8, 2005
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