MS buying rights to...well, everything! Grrr...

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Max Burke, Jun 26, 2004.

  1. Max Burke

    Max Burke Guest

    > Chris Wilkinson scribbled:
    > It seems MS are going hell bent for leather buying up tech rights to
    > all kinds of insignificant stuff that nowadays is no longer a
    > commercial viability...
    > What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...


    You/anyone cant buy rights if they're *not for sale.....*

    I dont see anything wrong with anyone (including Microsoft) buying those
    rights (and anything else for that matter) when they're for sale.
    Got a link we can look at?


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    Max Burke, Jun 26, 2004
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  2. Max Burke

    Peter Guest

    Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    > It seems MS are going hell bent for leather buying up tech rights to all
    > kinds of insignificant stuff that nowadays is no longer a commercial
    > viability...
    >
    > What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...


    No, next is buying up old masterpieces and artifacts, then they'll extend
    the monopoly to arts and sciences.

    But don't blame Microsoft, they are just part of this intellectual
    land-grab. Check out the arguments taking place over software patents in
    EU. Basically it is a battle between the corporates (who want to lock up
    IP so they collect monopoly rent and shut out newcomers) and those who want
    individual liberty and freedom of information.

    We saw a bit of it last year with DE Tech and their phoney patent scheme
    http://www.fightthepatent.co.nz/
    and this is just the start of it.

    Peter
    Peter, Jun 26, 2004
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  3. "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message news:...
    > Hi there,
    >
    > I just grabbed a Sinclair Spectrum emulator for linux from the net. Once
    > upon a time there were hundreds of well-known old Spectrum classic games
    > available for download from the net in the form of RAM snapshots. After
    > installing my new emulator I searched for some old faves to play...games
    > like Atic Atac, Alien 8, Sabre Wulf, Underwurlde, Jetpac, and others
    > written by Ashby Computer Graphics (aka ULTIMATE Play the game, nowadays
    > known as Rare) were the ones I was looking for. They were available once
    > but now it seems a certain Redmond based cartel has taken the rights to
    > these once freely available old classics, and prevented them from being
    > distributed on the net...


    When did Rare/Ultimate ~ever~ make those games freely available?

    Tony.

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    The Black Wibble, Jun 26, 2004
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  4. Max Burke

    David Preece Guest

    Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    > After
    > installing my new emulator I searched for some old faves to play...games
    > like Atic Atac, Alien 8, Sabre Wulf, Underwurlde, Jetpac, and others
    > written by Ashby Computer Graphics (aka ULTIMATE Play the game, nowadays
    > known as Rare) were the ones I was looking for.


    Yeah, Microsoft would have picked them up when they bought the rest of
    Rare's assets. Bizarre to think that they're the same company. Anyway,
    there's an increasing likelihood that these old games are about to have
    immense value when ported to mobile phones - it may yet prove to be the
    most valuable part of their purchase.

    Dave
    David Preece, Jun 26, 2004
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  5. In article <>,
    says...
    > Hi there,
    >
    > I just grabbed a Sinclair Spectrum emulator for linux from the net. Once
    > upon a time there were hundreds of well-known old Spectrum classic games
    > available for download from the net in the form of RAM snapshots. After
    > installing my new emulator I searched for some old faves to play...games
    > like Atic Atac, Alien 8, Sabre Wulf, Underwurlde, Jetpac, and others
    > written by Ashby Computer Graphics (aka ULTIMATE Play the game, nowadays
    > known as Rare) were the ones I was looking for. They were available once
    > but now it seems a certain Redmond based cartel has taken the rights to
    > these once freely available old classics, and prevented them from being
    > distributed on the net...
    >
    > It seems MS are going hell bent for leather buying up tech rights to all
    > kinds of insignificant stuff that nowadays is no longer a commercial
    > viability...
    >
    > What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...


    So why did the people who owned the rights sell them to MS? Maybe this is
    just an urban legend!
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 26, 2004
    #5
  6. Max Burke

    Don Hills Guest

    In article <Ti8Dc.4655$>,
    "The Black Wibble" <> wrote:
    >
    >When did Rare/Ultimate ~ever~ make those games freely available?


    They didn't. Check out the World Of Spectrum website:
    http://www.worldofspectrum.org

    Specifically:
    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/permits/

    (I realise you may well know about WOS, but Chris could benefit from it and
    this was the most appropriate part of the thread to attach to...)

    --
    Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
    Don Hills, Jun 26, 2004
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  7. Max Burke

    steve Guest

    Chris Wilkinson wrote:

    > What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...


    Don't laugh.....

    The conversion of everything into potential intellectual "property"
    represents a significant change from the way people have always lived.

    Don't buy products from such people if you can help it. It only encourages
    them to carry on and make it worse.

    They don't innovate. They frustrate innovation by locking ideas up for many
    decades.
    steve, Jun 26, 2004
    #7
  8. Hi there,

    I just grabbed a Sinclair Spectrum emulator for linux from the net. Once
    upon a time there were hundreds of well-known old Spectrum classic games
    available for download from the net in the form of RAM snapshots. After
    installing my new emulator I searched for some old faves to play...games
    like Atic Atac, Alien 8, Sabre Wulf, Underwurlde, Jetpac, and others
    written by Ashby Computer Graphics (aka ULTIMATE Play the game, nowadays
    known as Rare) were the ones I was looking for. They were available once
    but now it seems a certain Redmond based cartel has taken the rights to
    these once freely available old classics, and prevented them from being
    distributed on the net...

    It seems MS are going hell bent for leather buying up tech rights to all
    kinds of insignificant stuff that nowadays is no longer a commercial
    viability...

    What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...

    --
    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Christchurch, New Zealand.
    Canterbury Horse Taxis. http://www.horsetaxis.co.nz/
    Remove spamblocker to send replies direct to my email...
    Chris Wilkinson, Jun 26, 2004
    #8
  9. Max Burke

    David Preece Guest

    David Preece, Jun 26, 2004
    #9
  10. NZPA-Reuters News Flash:

    WARNING This News Item Embargoed until April 1, 2005

    Microsoft NZ Ltd and Sky Digital Ltd closes a $7 million deal with the NZRU to
    provide exclusive live coverage of all All Black games. Future telecasts will be
    via Sky Digital exclusively to the new limited availability Xbox Sky Digital
    Decoder.

    More details to follow....
    Thrombosis Thrush, Jun 26, 2004
    #10
  11. Max Burke

    whoisthis Guest

    In article <>,
    Thrombosis Thrush <> wrote:

    > NZPA-Reuters News Flash:
    >


    yawn..... boring !
    whoisthis, Jun 26, 2004
    #11
  12. Max Burke

    Gordon Guest

    On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:51:39 +0100, Chris Wilkinson wrote:

    > Hi there,
    >
    > I just grabbed a Sinclair Spectrum emulator for linux from the net. Once
    > upon a time there were hundreds of well-known old Spectrum classic games
    > available for download from the net in the form of RAM snapshots. After
    > installing my new emulator I searched for some old faves to play...games
    > like Atic Atac, Alien 8, Sabre Wulf, Underwurlde, Jetpac, and others
    > written by Ashby Computer Graphics (aka ULTIMATE Play the game, nowadays
    > known as Rare) were the ones I was looking for. They were available once
    > but now it seems a certain Redmond based cartel has taken the rights to
    > these once freely available old classics, and prevented them from being
    > distributed on the net...
    >
    > It seems MS are going hell bent for leather buying up tech rights to all
    > kinds of insignificant stuff that nowadays is no longer a commercial
    > viability...


    Look, MS has more money than a bald eagle can shit. It thinks that this
    will enable to get control of earth and then the universe so that it can
    make more money.

    Leaving money out of it. MS is acting like its want to dominate, ie be a
    dictator. Strange then we have so heard so much from the President of the
    US of A about how they needed to remove one from Iraq.

    Hopes that makes the situation clearer.


    > What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...
    Gordon, Jun 27, 2004
    #12
  13. Hi there,

    Don Hills wrote:
    > In article <Ti8Dc.4655$>,
    > "The Black Wibble" <> wrote:
    >
    >>When did Rare/Ultimate ~ever~ make those games freely available?

    >
    >
    > They didn't. Check out the World Of Spectrum website:
    > http://www.worldofspectrum.org
    >
    > Specifically:
    > http://www.worldofspectrum.org/permits/
    >
    > (I realise you may well know about WOS, but Chris could benefit from it and
    > this was the most appropriate part of the thread to attach to...)


    WOS I do know about, and 5 years ago I did download most of those titles
    freely from the net. Whether it was ethical to do so was not stipulated
    on the website they came from...and the emulator I used then ran on my
    ageing Atari Falcon030...sadly the IDE disk they sit on is not healthy
    currently...

    --
    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Christchurch, New Zealand.
    Canterbury Horse Taxis. http://www.horsetaxis.co.nz/
    Remove spamblocker to send replies direct to my email...
    Chris Wilkinson, Jun 27, 2004
    #13
  14. In article <>, says...
    > Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    >
    > > What next? Product activation keys for fucking wristwatches?...

    >
    > Don't laugh.....
    >
    > The conversion of everything into potential intellectual "property"
    > represents a significant change from the way people have always lived.
    >
    > Don't buy products from such people if you can help it. It only encourages
    > them to carry on and make it worse.
    >
    > They don't innovate. They frustrate innovation by locking ideas up for many
    > decades.


    What a load of rubbish.

    There has always been IP in software i.e. copyright control, licensing
    and so on.

    There are a few way out people who believe you shouldn't have to pay one
    cent for software. If this was the case there would be no software
    industry because no one would be able to make any money out of it.
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 28, 2004
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  15. In article <7vlDc.4723$>,
    says...
    > Patrick Dunford wrote:
    > > So why did the people who owned the rights sell them to MS?

    >
    > It's part of a bigger deal for US$375M.
    >
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/sci_tech/newsid_2283000/2283354.stm
    >
    > I don't know about you, but I wouldn't let the rights to Atic Atac
    > derail me and my mates getting a half billion NZ.


    All the rest of the whinging is complete crap, of course.

    MS buys a games producer.. well duh! MS makes games themselves.
    Patrick Dunford, Jun 28, 2004
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  16. Max Burke

    Brendan Guest

    On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:30:17 +1200, Patrick Dunford wrote:

    >> They don't innovate. They frustrate innovation by locking ideas up for many
    >> decades.

    >
    > What a load of rubbish.


    Of course it is - for you - Paddy. You do not have the reasoning powers you
    wish you had and therefore any cognitive dissonance is denied precluding
    any possibility of you becoming an innovative thinker.

    I'm curious Paddy: do you actually think that people continually type out a
    "load of rubbish" just to annoy you, or do you secretly wonder if you are
    just plain missing something ? Not "getting it" so to speak ?

    > There has always been IP in software i.e. copyright control, licensing
    > and so on.


    Not true.

    > There are a few way out people who believe you shouldn't have to pay one
    > cent for software. If this was the case there would be no software
    > industry because no one would be able to make any money out of it.


    If that concept was actually correct, you would be able to explain who owns
    the patens to Math or Language, and which corporation paid for their
    development.

    Paddy, your understanding of the arguments and concepts is too poor for you
    to be qualified to comment. But as this is Usenet and any unmitigated
    imbecile with a keyboard can spew their ignorance wide, we are forced to
    put up with it.

    I notice that my ideas about co-operative open collaborations (open-source
    science and industry) regarding pharmaceutical development have occurred to
    some learned others according to the Economist et all. I would ask you
    Paddy if any of your musings ever find themselves in resonance with any of
    the great minds of our time but I realised I have never seen any of your
    musings. Apparently you do not have any. And this explains a lot.

    --

    .... Brendan

    "Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves." -- Abraham Lincoln

    Note: All comments are copyright 28/06/2004 5:19:23 p.m., and are opinion only where not otherwise stated, and always "to the best of my recollection". www.computerman.orcon.net.nz.
    Brendan, Jun 28, 2004
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  17. Max Burke

    thing Guest

    patents

    regards

    Thing
    thing, Jun 28, 2004
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