Mightgrowsoft Discovers "User Account Protection"

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 19, 2005.

  1. Stop the presses! Another revolutionary new feature in Internet Explorer
    7 will be called "Low Rights IE"
    <http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355_3-57
    45044.html>. What it means is that IE will no longer automatically run
    with administrator privileges. Instead, what it can do will be limited
    to the rights of a non-privileged current user.

    Wow! Marvellous! Except... hasn't it been long-standing practice on
    Unix/Linux systems to run most desktop programs (including Web browsers)
    without special privileges? And here Microsoft has come up with it ...
    like it's a new idea!

    I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    a follower.

    Oh--and another thing: this feature of being able to run things without
    administrator privileges will only be available under
    Longhorn/Shorthorn/Nohorn. Not under XP. Obviously the protection model
    in XP is deficient in some regard, which doesn't allow useful things to
    be done without resorting to full administrator privileges.
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 19, 2005
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  2. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Peter Guest

    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
    > I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    > being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    > adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    > like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    > a follower.


    No, you are wrong - MS has always been more of a follower than a leader.
    http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml

    The sad thing is that most users will probably believe lies about MS
    "inventing" stuff like tabbed browsing.


    Peter
    Peter, Jun 19, 2005
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  3. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Porky Guest

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:13:39 +1200, Rob J wrote:

    >
    >>
    >> No, you are wrong - MS has always been more of a follower than a leader.
    >> http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml

    >
    > Another hate MS site. A totally objective unbiased source...yeah right!


    The problem is this guy see`s his own view point as rational and objective
    ..,..just lik bling blong ...
    Porky, Jun 19, 2005
    #3
  4. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Rob J Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Sun,
    19 Jun 2005 21:38:50 +1200, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro <ldo@geek-
    central.gen.new_zealand> says...
    > Stop the presses! Another revolutionary new feature in Internet Explorer
    > 7 will be called "Low Rights IE"
    > <http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355_3-57
    > 45044.html>. What it means is that IE will no longer automatically run
    > with administrator privileges. Instead, what it can do will be limited
    > to the rights of a non-privileged current user.
    >
    > Wow! Marvellous! Except... hasn't it been long-standing practice on
    > Unix/Linux systems to run most desktop programs (including Web browsers)
    > without special privileges? And here Microsoft has come up with it ...
    > like it's a new idea!
    >
    > I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    > being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    > adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    > like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    > a follower.
    >
    > Oh--and another thing: this feature of being able to run things without
    > administrator privileges will only be available under
    > Longhorn/Shorthorn/Nohorn. Not under XP. Obviously the protection model
    > in XP is deficient in some regard, which doesn't allow useful things to
    > be done without resorting to full administrator privileges.


    Are you having some kind of competition with David Murray to see who can
    be the most stupid obnoxious and ignorant troll in this group.

    Tabbed browsing is a personal preference. In no way can it be called an
    innovation.
    Rob J, Jun 20, 2005
    #4
  5. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Rob J Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Sun, 19 Jun 2005
    22:45:12 +1200, Peter <> says...
    > Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
    > > I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    > > being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    > > adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    > > like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    > > a follower.

    >
    > No, you are wrong - MS has always been more of a follower than a leader.
    > http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml


    Another hate MS site. A totally objective unbiased source...yeah right!
    Rob J, Jun 20, 2005
    #5
  6. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Rob J Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Sun, 19 Jun 2005
    22:45:12 +1200, Peter <> says...
    > Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
    > > I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    > > being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    > > adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    > > like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    > > a follower.

    >
    > No, you are wrong - MS has always been more of a follower than a leader.
    > http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml


    If you believe that you'll believe anything.


    Just had a look at that site and it is full of errors - maybe even lies,
    depending on POV.
    Rob J, Jun 20, 2005
    #6
  7. In article <>,
    I wrote:

    >I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    >being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    >adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    >like Firefox) for example...


    Forgot to mention RSS. Firefox's "Live Bookmarks" are becoming very
    useful.

    >... it is becoming less of a leader, and more of a follower.
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 20, 2005
    #7
  8. In article <>,
    Rob J <> wrote:

    >In article <> in nz.comp on Sun,
    >19 Jun 2005 21:38:50 +1200, Lawrence D1Oliveiro <ldo@geek-
    >central.gen.new zealand> says...
    >> Stop the presses! Another revolutionary new feature in Internet Explorer
    >> 7 will be called "Low Rights IE"
    >> <http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355 3-57
    >> 45044.html>. What it means is that IE will no longer automatically run
    >> with administrator privileges. Instead, what it can do will be limited
    >> to the rights of a non-privileged current user.
    >>
    >> Wow! Marvellous! Except... hasn't it been long-standing practice on
    >> Unix/Linux systems to run most desktop programs (including Web browsers)
    >> without special privileges? And here Microsoft has come up with it ...
    >> like it's a new idea!
    >>
    >> I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    >> being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    >> adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    >> like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    >> a follower.
    >>
    >> Oh--and another thing: this feature of being able to run things without
    >> administrator privileges will only be available under
    >> Longhorn/Shorthorn/Nohorn. Not under XP. Obviously the protection model
    >> in XP is deficient in some regard, which doesn't allow useful things to
    >> be done without resorting to full administrator privileges.

    >
    >Are you [trying] to see who can
    >be the most stupid obnoxious and ignorant troll in this group.


    Why am I obnoxious? It's not as though I tend to call people names like
    "stupid" or "ignorant", "idiot" or "fuckwit". I'm not one for comparing
    the quality of people's postings to different varieties of bovine
    excrement. I don't even suggest that they're secretly in the pay of
    various sinister organizations involved in global conspiracies.

    All I do is point out facts, and insist on pointing them out even when
    others try to distract attention from the real issue, by using tactics
    such as laying down a smokescreen of abuse.

    Come to think of it, that could very well be irritating to some people.
    Namely, those on the losing side of the argument.

    >Tabbed browsing is a personal preference. In no way can it be called an
    >innovation.


    That _is_ the sort of thing you would say if you weren't the first to
    invent it, isn't it?
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 20, 2005
    #8
  9. In article <>,
    I wrote:

    >I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    >being the innovator in the desktop software arena.


    Another example of this is
    <http://news.com.com/Microsoft looks to extinguish LAMP/2100-1012_3-57465
    49.html>. It's ironic that Microsoft is trying to combat LAMP by
    introducing ever-tighter integration in its own tools, whereas the very
    strength of LAMP is that the parts were never specifically designed to
    be integrated, they just came together that way because of their common
    adherence to open standards
    <http://news.com.com/Open-source LAMP a beacon to developers/2100-7344_3-
    5744767.html>. That's a philosophy that is totally alien to Microsoft.
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 20, 2005
    #9
  10. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Gordon Guest

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:12:17 +1200, Rob J wrote:

    > Tabbed browsing is a personal preference. In no way can it be called an
    > innovation.


    We all see things in different ways. It appears you might be in a small
    group of like minded people.
    Gordon, Jun 20, 2005
    #10
  11. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Mercury Guest

    <snip>
    > Wow! Marvellous! Except... hasn't it been long-standing practice on
    > Unix/Linux systems to run most desktop programs (including Web browsers)
    > without special privileges? And here Microsoft has come up with it ...
    > like it's a new idea!



    That is not what it does at all.

    The actual idea (the one you don't understand) is not new either- it was
    documented as a best practice by MS quite some time ago. The documentation I
    read was ironically written by a Kiwi - a Wellingtonian.
    Mercury, Jun 20, 2005
    #11
  12. In article <d964ve$2d0$>, "Mercury" <>
    wrote:

    >That is not what it does at all.
    >
    >The actual idea (the one you don't understand) is not new either- it was
    >documented as a best practice by MS quite some time ago.


    And yet the article
    <http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355_3-57
    45044.html> clearly says that Microsoft is unable to provide the
    facility for XP, or (by implication) any earlier system. Therefore it
    could not possibly be whatever idea you think was "documented as a best
    practice by MS quite some time ago", since it cannot even be practised
    on any Windows system available today.
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 20, 2005
    #12
  13. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Mercury Guest

    You are just reinforcing your lack of understanding of what is being done,
    how, and what the consequences are.

    This lack of understanding on your part is yet again resulting in you
    leaping to conclusions that have no relationship.

    Leaping to concluions is not scientific - it is more an attribute of
    religion. Well, that is an insult to the many religions out there - most
    have some factual basis which is a better starting point than you have.

    The religions also - by comparison - attempt wherever possible to work hard
    in producing factual evidence to support their claims and in turn have often
    used the very best of science to produce evidence. You instead quote
    news.com which is laughable because that indicates you believe everything
    you read and also it implies that with all your years of "learning" you
    still cannot discern fact from fiction, tabloid from scientific journal, or
    a page 3 girl from a cheap shot.

    So, without understanding which in turn is based on factually correct
    information, you are a bit high and dry, or is that the problem?

    So you actually go out of your way to read news.com? Tch tch tch. How sad.
    If you were to move to the U.S., vote for GWB and work at a MacD's in a
    casino selling P on the side you would be showing a higher level of
    intelligence and improving NZ's at the same time :)








    "Lawrence D¹Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <d964ve$2d0$>, "Mercury" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>That is not what it does at all.
    >>
    >>The actual idea (the one you don't understand) is not new either- it was
    >>documented as a best practice by MS quite some time ago.

    >
    > And yet the article
    > <http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355_3-57
    > 45044.html> clearly says that Microsoft is unable to provide the
    > facility for XP, or (by implication) any earlier system. Therefore it
    > could not possibly be whatever idea you think was "documented as a best
    > practice by MS quite some time ago", since it cannot even be practised
    > on any Windows system available today.
    Mercury, Jun 20, 2005
    #13
  14. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Peter Guest

    Mercury wrote:
    > So you actually go out of your way to read news.com? Tch tch tch. How sad.
    > If you were to move to the U.S., vote for GWB and work at a MacD's in a
    > casino selling P on the side you would be showing a higher level of
    > intelligence and improving NZ's at the same time :)


    ad hominem attack - you lose the debate
    Peter, Jun 20, 2005
    #14
  15. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Rob J Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Tue, 21 Jun 2005
    07:11:29 +1200, Peter <> says...
    > Mercury wrote:
    > > So you actually go out of your way to read news.com? Tch tch tch. How sad.
    > > If you were to move to the U.S., vote for GWB and work at a MacD's in a
    > > casino selling P on the side you would be showing a higher level of
    > > intelligence and improving NZ's at the same time :)

    >
    > ad hominem attack - you lose the debate


    Very convenient
    Rob J, Jun 21, 2005
    #15
  16. On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:38:50 +1200, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro
    <_zealand> wrote:

    >Stop the presses! Another revolutionary new feature in Internet Explorer
    >7 will be called "Low Rights IE"
    ><http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355_3-57
    >45044.html>. What it means is that IE will no longer automatically run
    >with administrator privileges. Instead, what it can do will be limited
    >to the rights of a non-privileged current user.
    >
    >Wow! Marvellous! Except... hasn't it been long-standing practice on
    >Unix/Linux systems to run most desktop programs (including Web browsers)
    >without special privileges? And here Microsoft has come up with it ...
    >like it's a new idea!
    >
    >I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    >being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    >adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    >like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    >a follower.
    >
    >Oh--and another thing: this feature of being able to run things without
    >administrator privileges will only be available under
    >Longhorn/Shorthorn/Nohorn. Not under XP. Obviously the protection model
    >in XP is deficient in some regard, which doesn't allow useful things to
    >be done without resorting to full administrator privileges.


    Bullshit
    Why dont you bugger off back into your cave...and stay there
    FreedomChooser, Jun 21, 2005
    #16
  17. On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:45:12 +1200, Peter <>
    wrote:

    >Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
    >> I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    >> being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    >> adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    >> like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    >> a follower.

    >
    >No, you are wrong - MS has always been more of a follower than a leader.
    >http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml
    >
    >The sad thing is that most users will probably believe lies about MS
    >"inventing" stuff like tabbed browsing.


    Note the site is published by "Moral High Ground productions"
    what a crock of shite
    some guy who really belives in the crap he peddals
    And it has not been updated in years
    and is full of rubbish
    FreedomChooser, Jun 21, 2005
    #17
  18. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro

    Mike Dee Guest

    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote in
    news::

    > I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing
    > claim to being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With
    > this and the adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for
    > some time in apps like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less
    > of a leader, and more of a follower.


    MS Internet Explorer has been playing "catch-up" since Mozilla 1.0
    I've been happily IE free for 3 years.

    --
    dee
    Mike Dee, Jun 21, 2005
    #18
  19. In article <>,
    FreedomChooser <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:38:50 +1200, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro
    ><_zealand> wrote:
    >
    >>Stop the presses! Another revolutionary new feature in Internet Explorer
    >>7 will be called "Low Rights IE"
    >><http://news.com.com/IE7 being developed to resist spyware/2100-7355_3-57
    >>45044.html>. What it means is that IE will no longer automatically run
    >>with administrator privileges. Instead, what it can do will be limited
    >>to the rights of a non-privileged current user.
    >>
    >>Wow! Marvellous! Except... hasn't it been long-standing practice on
    >>Unix/Linux systems to run most desktop programs (including Web browsers)
    >>without special privileges? And here Microsoft has come up with it ...
    >>like it's a new idea!
    >>
    >>I think it's becoming clear that Microsoft is steadily losing claim to
    >>being the innovator in the desktop software arena. With this and the
    >>adoption of tabbed browsing (already available for some time in apps
    >>like Firefox) for example, it is becoming less of a leader, and more of
    >>a follower.
    >>
    >>Oh--and another thing: this feature of being able to run things without
    >>administrator privileges will only be available under
    >>Longhorn/Shorthorn/Nohorn. Not under XP. Obviously the protection model
    >>in XP is deficient in some regard, which doesn't allow useful things to
    >>be done without resorting to full administrator privileges.

    >
    >Bullshit
    >Why dont you bugger off back into your cave...and stay there


    Touched a nerve, huh.

    Heh-heh...
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Jun 26, 2005
    #19
  20. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
    > Oh--and another thing: this feature of being able to run things without
    > administrator privileges will only be available under
    > Longhorn/Shorthorn/Nohorn. Not under XP. Obviously the protection model
    > in XP is deficient in some regard, which doesn't allow useful things to
    > be done without resorting to full administrator privileges.


    Actually, if the account is not in the administrator group, then IE
    doesn't run with Admin rights... otherwise IE would be able to
    delete/whatever anything, which is far from the case... so I'm not
    really sure what is meant by all this.

    --
    http://dave.net.nz <- My personal site.
    http://synaptic.net.nz <- Dunedin Based IT and ISP services
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Jun 29, 2005
    #20
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