Microsoft Too Cheap to Issue Paper Certs for Our Training, Speak O

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  1. pstallone

    pstallone Guest

    The following is a copy of an email I submitted to the Cert Center at
    , I urge you to send your own email and let them know
    what you think:

    Dear sirs:

    In reference to why Microsoft does not provide paper certificates, quoting
    from your website:

    Q. I just became certified, why do I have to spend more time and money to
    print my certificate?

    A. To help reduce waste in the landfills, reduce carbon dioxide emissions
    and raw materials, along with lower energy consumption overall helps create a
    more sustainable global environment.


    Has Microsoft become so cheap that certificates for exams are not being
    issued on paper? You claim that it’s “to reduce waste in the landfills,
    reduce carbon dioxide emissions and raw materials, lower energy consumption
    overall to help create a more sustainable global environment.†Frankly, that
    is a load of crap. Who is going to send their certificate to a landfill? I
    toss more paper from junk mail every DAY than all the certificates I will
    ever possess.

    You couldn’t even make the downloadable certificate include the name of the
    exam passed, or the date it was taken?

    I note that “being green†isn’t worth more than $9.95 to you, a person can
    order a paper certificate for that amount. I’ll buy paper and print my own.

    How dare you deprive students who have worked very hard studying to become
    proficient in Microsoft technologies, which furthers your product penetration
    and therefore increases your profits, from the certificates we deserve. How
    cheap you are to not only deprive us of a certificate we have earned, only to
    provide us with a very generic-looking downloadable certificate, while
    insulting us with the bogus reason of “being greenâ€.

    Signed,

    Peter M. Stallone, CCNA, MCP
     
    pstallone, Jan 20, 2010
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  2. pstallone

    John R Guest

    "pstallone" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > The following is a copy of an email I submitted to the Cert Center at
    > , I urge you to send your own email and let them know
    > what you think:
    >
    > Dear sirs:
    >
    > In reference to why Microsoft does not provide paper certificates, quoting
    > from your website:
    >
    > Q. I just became certified, why do I have to spend more time and money to
    > print my certificate?
    >
    > A. To help reduce waste in the landfills, reduce carbon dioxide emissions
    > and raw materials, along with lower energy consumption overall helps
    > create a
    > more sustainable global environment.
    >
    >
    > Has Microsoft become so cheap that certificates for exams are not being
    > issued on paper? You claim that it's "to reduce waste in the landfills,
    > reduce carbon dioxide emissions and raw materials, lower energy
    > consumption
    > overall to help create a more sustainable global environment." Frankly,
    > that
    > is a load of crap. Who is going to send their certificate to a landfill? I
    > toss more paper from junk mail every DAY than all the certificates I will
    > ever possess.
    >
    > You couldn't even make the downloadable certificate include the name of
    > the
    > exam passed, or the date it was taken?
    >
    > I note that "being green" isn't worth more than $9.95 to you, a person can
    > order a paper certificate for that amount. I'll buy paper and print my
    > own.
    >
    > How dare you deprive students who have worked very hard studying to become
    > proficient in Microsoft technologies, which furthers your product
    > penetration
    > and therefore increases your profits, from the certificates we deserve.
    > How
    > cheap you are to not only deprive us of a certificate we have earned, only
    > to
    > provide us with a very generic-looking downloadable certificate, while
    > insulting us with the bogus reason of "being green".
    >
    > Signed,
    >
    > Peter M. Stallone, CCNA, MCP
    >


    I certainly sympathize with your feelings on this issue, and no, I'm not an
    appologist for Microsoft.

    But I do want to point out that neither Microsoft, or anyone else for that
    matter, ever shows what tests you took and when you passed them on your
    certificate or diploma, that is the purpose of a transcript (which you can
    again print out on your own). Quite frankly, nobody has ever asked for a
    copy of my certs or diplomas, but several have asked for transcripts.

    Secondly, Microsoft, along with a lot of other vendors/suppliers/whatever,
    have for a long time now been more and more involved in the process of
    enlisting you to do their work for them. I, for example, don't even get pay
    stubs anymore. If I want one, I have to log on to a website (ADP) and print
    it out on my own. My mortgage company refuses to send statements to me,
    again I have to log on to their website and print them. Same story with my
    401K broker, etc. My bank has long since refused to return my cancelled
    checks. I can get a printed image from where? Their website of course.

    The fact is that they no longer have to print them, or spend money to put
    them in envelopes and address them, or pay postage to mail them. They don't
    have to pay employees to perform these tasks either. They don't have to
    supply office space for these activities to happen. This saves them
    significant money (which in a way makes them "greener". Sorry, bad pun).

    I do give Microsoft credit for being creative enough to develop an excuse as
    politically correct as they have, even if you and I both know it's a crock.

    It's just the way of the world today. Expect it to get worse before it gets
    better. Here's a dollar, go buy 1/3 of a drink. ;-)

    John R.
     
    John R, Jan 20, 2010
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  3. pstallone

    pstallone Guest

    Re: Microsoft Too Cheap to Issue Paper Certs for Our Training, Spe

    "John R" wrote:

    >
    > "pstallone" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > The following is a copy of an email I submitted to the Cert Center at
    > > , I urge you to send your own email and let them know
    > > what you think:
    > >
    > > Dear sirs:
    > >
    > > In reference to why Microsoft does not provide paper certificates, quoting
    > > from your website:
    > >
    > > Q. I just became certified, why do I have to spend more time and money to
    > > print my certificate?
    > >
    > > A. To help reduce waste in the landfills, reduce carbon dioxide emissions
    > > and raw materials, along with lower energy consumption overall helps
    > > create a
    > > more sustainable global environment.
    > >
    > >
    > > Has Microsoft become so cheap that certificates for exams are not being
    > > issued on paper? You claim that it's "to reduce waste in the landfills,
    > > reduce carbon dioxide emissions and raw materials, lower energy
    > > consumption
    > > overall to help create a more sustainable global environment." Frankly,
    > > that
    > > is a load of crap. Who is going to send their certificate to a landfill? I
    > > toss more paper from junk mail every DAY than all the certificates I will
    > > ever possess.
    > >
    > > You couldn't even make the downloadable certificate include the name of
    > > the
    > > exam passed, or the date it was taken?
    > >
    > > I note that "being green" isn't worth more than $9.95 to you, a person can
    > > order a paper certificate for that amount. I'll buy paper and print my
    > > own.
    > >
    > > How dare you deprive students who have worked very hard studying to become
    > > proficient in Microsoft technologies, which furthers your product
    > > penetration
    > > and therefore increases your profits, from the certificates we deserve.
    > > How
    > > cheap you are to not only deprive us of a certificate we have earned, only
    > > to
    > > provide us with a very generic-looking downloadable certificate, while
    > > insulting us with the bogus reason of "being green".
    > >
    > > Signed,
    > >
    > > Peter M. Stallone, CCNA, MCP
    > >

    >
    > I certainly sympathize with your feelings on this issue, and no, I'm not an
    > appologist for Microsoft.
    >
    > But I do want to point out that neither Microsoft, or anyone else for that
    > matter, ever shows what tests you took and when you passed them on your
    > certificate or diploma, that is the purpose of a transcript (which you can
    > again print out on your own). Quite frankly, nobody has ever asked for a
    > copy of my certs or diplomas, but several have asked for transcripts.
    >
    > Secondly, Microsoft, along with a lot of other vendors/suppliers/whatever,
    > have for a long time now been more and more involved in the process of
    > enlisting you to do their work for them. I, for example, don't even get pay
    > stubs anymore. If I want one, I have to log on to a website (ADP) and print
    > it out on my own. My mortgage company refuses to send statements to me,
    > again I have to log on to their website and print them. Same story with my
    > 401K broker, etc. My bank has long since refused to return my cancelled
    > checks. I can get a printed image from where? Their website of course.
    >
    > The fact is that they no longer have to print them, or spend money to put
    > them in envelopes and address them, or pay postage to mail them. They don't
    > have to pay employees to perform these tasks either. They don't have to
    > supply office space for these activities to happen. This saves them
    > significant money (which in a way makes them "greener". Sorry, bad pun).
    >
    > I do give Microsoft credit for being creative enough to develop an excuse as
    > politically correct as they have, even if you and I both know it's a crock.
    >
    > It's just the way of the world today. Expect it to get worse before it gets
    > better. Here's a dollar, go buy 1/3 of a drink. ;-)
    >
    > John R.
    >
    >
    > .
    >

    Yes, I certainly have noticed the trend of "Give less, charge more". I agree
    that it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.

    If Microsoft had simply stated that the reason they're not issuing certs is
    to save money, I would have thought "what a bunch of cheapskates" and not
    have given it a second thought. But I just could not accept the insult to my
    intelligence of the reason of "being green".

    I do have other certs, which actually state the exam I passed, as well as
    the date I took the exam:

    1. Cisco CCNA
    2. Network Cabling (Leviton)
    3. Fiber Optic Technician (The Fiber Optic Association)
    4. Five Nortel PBX certs

    I guess I just got spoiled...
     
    pstallone, Jan 21, 2010
    #3
  4. pstallone

    John R Guest

    Re: Microsoft Too Cheap to Issue Paper Certs for Our Training, Spe

    "pstallone" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >
    >
    > I do have other certs, which actually state the exam I passed, as well as
    > the date I took the exam:
    >
    > 1. Cisco CCNA
    > 2. Network Cabling (Leviton)
    > 3. Fiber Optic Technician (The Fiber Optic Association)
    > 4. Five Nortel PBX certs
    >
    > I guess I just got spoiled...
    >


    Try printing out your transcript on the MCP site. I think that might be
    what you're looking for. It's actually pretty well done. It shows all of
    the certs that you hold, and a list of all of the exams that you completed
    along with all of the associated dates.

    John R.
     
    John R, Jan 21, 2010
    #4
  5. pstallone

    pstallone Guest

    Re: Microsoft Too Cheap to Issue Paper Certs for Our Training, Spe

    "John R" wrote:

    >
    > "pstallone" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I do have other certs, which actually state the exam I passed, as well as
    > > the date I took the exam:
    > >
    > > 1. Cisco CCNA
    > > 2. Network Cabling (Leviton)
    > > 3. Fiber Optic Technician (The Fiber Optic Association)
    > > 4. Five Nortel PBX certs
    > >
    > > I guess I just got spoiled...
    > >

    >
    > Try printing out your transcript on the MCP site. I think that might be
    > what you're looking for. It's actually pretty well done. It shows all of
    > the certs that you hold, and a list of all of the exams that you completed
    > along with all of the associated dates.
    >
    > John R.
    >
    > .
    >


    Thanks :)
     
    pstallone, Jan 21, 2010
    #5
  6. pstallone

    ikky Guest

    You forgot to mention that the new VBC looks like crap.

    MS doing away with the wallet card and 'welcome aboard' package is just not
    good. I think that most people would be happy with that wallet card and a
    CD/DVD explaining everything else that was in the welcome package, you know,
    print the stuff you want...

    Then there's the fact that MS will not allow us to pay for said wallet
    cards. I really don't mind MS trying to reduce paper waste and all that good
    stuff. But a MS certification should come with something to show for it.
    Even if we have to pay for it. At least give us the option.

    "pstallone" wrote:

    > The following is a copy of an email I submitted to the Cert Center at
    > , I urge you to send your own email and let them know
    > what you think:
    >
    > Dear sirs:
    >
    > In reference to why Microsoft does not provide paper certificates, quoting
    > from your website:
    >
    > Q. I just became certified, why do I have to spend more time and money to
    > print my certificate?
    >
    > A. To help reduce waste in the landfills, reduce carbon dioxide emissions
    > and raw materials, along with lower energy consumption overall helps create a
    > more sustainable global environment.
    >
    >
    > Has Microsoft become so cheap that certificates for exams are not being
    > issued on paper? You claim that it’s “to reduce waste in the landfills,
    > reduce carbon dioxide emissions and raw materials, lower energy consumption
    > overall to help create a more sustainable global environment.†Frankly, that
    > is a load of crap. Who is going to send their certificate to a landfill? I
    > toss more paper from junk mail every DAY than all the certificates I will
    > ever possess.
    >
    > You couldn’t even make the downloadable certificate include the name of the
    > exam passed, or the date it was taken?
    >
    > I note that “being green†isn’t worth more than $9.95 to you, a person can
    > order a paper certificate for that amount. I’ll buy paper and print my own.
    >
    > How dare you deprive students who have worked very hard studying to become
    > proficient in Microsoft technologies, which furthers your product penetration
    > and therefore increases your profits, from the certificates we deserve. How
    > cheap you are to not only deprive us of a certificate we have earned, only to
    > provide us with a very generic-looking downloadable certificate, while
    > insulting us with the bogus reason of “being greenâ€.
    >
    > Signed,
    >
    > Peter M. Stallone, CCNA, MCP
    >
     
    ikky, Jan 23, 2010
    #6
  7. pstallone

    pstallone Guest

    RE: Microsoft Too Cheap to Issue Paper Certs for Our Training, Spe

    I think that eventually Microsoft's cheapness will come back to them in the
    end. I don't believe in Karma as such, but I have been around long enough to
    see that you do "reap what you sow".

    By the way, sorry to be so naive, but what is VBC?

    I'd heard that MS did give you wallet cards, so they stopped that too?!?


    "ikky" wrote:

    > You forgot to mention that the new VBC looks like crap.
    >
    > MS doing away with the wallet card and 'welcome aboard' package is just not
    > good. I think that most people would be happy with that wallet card and a
    > CD/DVD explaining everything else that was in the welcome package, you know,
    > print the stuff you want...
    >
    > Then there's the fact that MS will not allow us to pay for said wallet
    > cards. I really don't mind MS trying to reduce paper waste and all that good
    > stuff. But a MS certification should come with something to show for it.
    > Even if we have to pay for it. At least give us the option.
    >
    > "pstallone" wrote:
    >
    > > The following is a copy of an email I submitted to the Cert Center at
    > > , I urge you to send your own email and let them know
    > > what you think:
    > >
    > > Dear sirs:
    > >
    > > In reference to why Microsoft does not provide paper certificates, quoting
    > > from your website:
    > >
    > > Q. I just became certified, why do I have to spend more time and money to
    > > print my certificate?
    > >
    > > A. To help reduce waste in the landfills, reduce carbon dioxide emissions
    > > and raw materials, along with lower energy consumption overall helps create a
    > > more sustainable global environment.
    > >
    > >
    > > Has Microsoft become so cheap that certificates for exams are not being
    > > issued on paper? You claim that it’s “to reduce waste in the landfills,
    > > reduce carbon dioxide emissions and raw materials, lower energy consumption
    > > overall to help create a more sustainable global environment.†Frankly, that
    > > is a load of crap. Who is going to send their certificate to a landfill? I
    > > toss more paper from junk mail every DAY than all the certificates I will
    > > ever possess.
    > >
    > > You couldn’t even make the downloadable certificate include the name of the
    > > exam passed, or the date it was taken?
    > >
    > > I note that “being green†isn’t worth more than $9.95 to you, a person can
    > > order a paper certificate for that amount. I’ll buy paper and print my own.
    > >
    > > How dare you deprive students who have worked very hard studying to become
    > > proficient in Microsoft technologies, which furthers your product penetration
    > > and therefore increases your profits, from the certificates we deserve. How
    > > cheap you are to not only deprive us of a certificate we have earned, only to
    > > provide us with a very generic-looking downloadable certificate, while
    > > insulting us with the bogus reason of “being greenâ€.
    > >
    > > Signed,
    > >
    > > Peter M. Stallone, CCNA, MCP
    > >
     
    pstallone, Jan 25, 2010
    #7
  8. pstallone

    ikky Guest

    RE: Microsoft Too Cheap to Issue Paper Certs for Our Training, Spe

    Yup. MS has stopped giving wallet cards.

    VBC is the Virtual Business Card that is supposed to replace the wallet card.

    "pstallone" wrote:

    > I think that eventually Microsoft's cheapness will come back to them in the
    > end. I don't believe in Karma as such, but I have been around long enough to
    > see that you do "reap what you sow".
    >
    > By the way, sorry to be so naive, but what is VBC?
    >
    > I'd heard that MS did give you wallet cards, so they stopped that too?!?
     
    ikky, Jan 26, 2010
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