Microsoft NZ want us to keep getting spam

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by ~misfit~, Aug 22, 2005.

  1. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Guest

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html

    Extract:

    ".....he says the New Zealand Government's Unsolicited Electronic Messages
    Bill is "too broad" and could impinge on "the amazing vehicle of e-mail
    marketing".
    Mr Hamlin says Microsoft would like to see the bill changed so that
    businesses could be confident they could continue to use databases that they
    had already compiled to send out e-mail.

    He also wants definitions in the bill changed so that companies would be
    able to e-mail information about new products and services to customers,
    even if they had opted out of receiving e-mail about other services they had
    bought from the company in the past."

    They want companies to be able to email you even if you've opted out of
    getting email?

    Good on ya MS.
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    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, Aug 22, 2005
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  2. ~misfit~

    thing2 Guest

    ~misfit~ wrote:
    > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html
    >
    > Extract:
    >
    > ".....he says the New Zealand Government's Unsolicited Electronic Messages
    > Bill is "too broad" and could impinge on "the amazing vehicle of e-mail
    > marketing".
    > Mr Hamlin says Microsoft would like to see the bill changed so that
    > businesses could be confident they could continue to use databases that they
    > had already compiled to send out e-mail.
    >
    > He also wants definitions in the bill changed so that companies would be
    > able to e-mail information about new products and services to customers,
    > even if they had opted out of receiving e-mail about other services they had
    > bought from the company in the past."
    >
    > They want companies to be able to email you even if you've opted out of
    > getting email?
    >
    > Good on ya MS.


    yes, I found it interesting that MS would love to continue (or start) to
    spam us because it is a legit business but some spam monkey is not
    selling dodgy products is not (sic.).

    So MS has a database it wants to use/sell/lend to its "approved"
    partners....that if we just happen to be on it and maybe not get to
    upset if we get spammed by the mighty MS we will be.

    I like the NZ law, I hope MS NZ is one of the first slapped with
    breaking it.......

    regards

    Thing
     
    thing2, Aug 22, 2005
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  3. ~misfit~

    Tim Guest

    I largely agree.
    However, it is not the miniscule number of NZ companies that email out
    promotions that is the *big* problem.
    If I put up a No Circulars etc. notice on my mail box, that is what I
    expect.

    I would like to see a SMTP connection attribute for No Circulars that means
    NO spam whatsoever and a failure to honour that would result in either a)
    prosecution or b) the recipient having the right to invoice at an agree
    standard price $US200 everywhere.

    This just leaves the real spam engines ironically mostly in the US.

    - Tim


    "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
    news:4309486c$...
    > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html
    >
    > Extract:
    >
    > ".....he says the New Zealand Government's Unsolicited Electronic Messages
    > Bill is "too broad" and could impinge on "the amazing vehicle of e-mail
    > marketing".
    > Mr Hamlin says Microsoft would like to see the bill changed so that
    > businesses could be confident they could continue to use databases that
    > they had already compiled to send out e-mail.
    >
    > He also wants definitions in the bill changed so that companies would be
    > able to e-mail information about new products and services to customers,
    > even if they had opted out of receiving e-mail about other services they
    > had bought from the company in the past."
    >
    > They want companies to be able to email you even if you've opted out of
    > getting email?
    >
    > Good on ya MS.
    > --
    > ~misfit~
    >
    >
     
    Tim, Aug 22, 2005
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  4. Tim wrote:
    > I largely agree.
    > However, it is not the miniscule number of NZ companies that email out
    > promotions that is the *big* problem.
    > If I put up a No Circulars etc. notice on my mail box, that is what I
    > expect.


    > I would like to see a SMTP connection attribute for No Circulars that means
    > NO spam whatsoever and a failure to honour that would result in either a)
    > prosecution or b) the recipient having the right to invoice at an agree
    > standard price $US200 everywhere.


    Make it US$200 + 2x(number of total emails sent with 85% similar
    content) so that it can continue to be a pain in the arse to people who
    re-offend with the same stuff.

    > This just leaves the real spam engines ironically mostly in the US.


    Do you say ironically because that where they already are, or for some
    other reason?

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    http://synaptic.net.nz <- Dunedin Based IT and ISP services
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Aug 22, 2005
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  5. ~misfit~

    Tim Guest

    > Make it US$200 + 2x(number of total emails sent with 85% similar content)
    > so that it can continue to be a pain in the arse to people who re-offend
    > with the same stuff.


    sounds fair.

    >> This just leaves the real spam engines ironically mostly in the US.

    >
    > Do you say ironically because that where they already are, or for some
    > other reason?


    Because "they" are often too willing to point to EG China, South Korea etc
    without checking the facts first. IE because that is where the spam engines
    are.

    "They" are after all the root of capitilism (= evil :) , so until "they"
    have a motive to move their operations off shore then it will stay that way.
     
    Tim, Sep 9, 2005
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