MCSE or MCSA?

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by KennyG, Dec 15, 2003.

  1. KennyG

    KennyG Guest

    I'm beginning to reconsider my pursuit of an MCSE. The only reason I'm
    doing it anyway is to get those cool letters to put after my name. But
    seven tests!, Geez! I could take seven tests from those other vendors and
    get seven certifications. Then it would be like alphabet soup. That would
    be great.

    Seriously though, I think I'll downgrade to an MCSA. I'll use my A+ and
    Network + towards it, that will leave four (!) exams free, I could pick up a
    CNA, a CCA, a CCDA, and maybe even an RHCE.

    Sound like a plan?

    Kenny( TruSecure TICSA, Cisco CCDP, CCNP, Cisco Firewall Specialist, Nortel
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    KennyG, Dec 15, 2003
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  2. KennyG

    Brat Guest

    "KennyG" <> wrote in message
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    > I'm beginning to reconsider my pursuit of an MCSE. The only reason I'm
    > doing it anyway is to get those cool letters to put after my name.


    if that is the only reason, go ahead and waste your money.

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    got news for you Kenny... these are not certifications from what I am
    seeing... it just is a list of programs/software/tools you have used...
    adding them after your name is just silly and really could be considered
    fraudulant since you have not taken certification exams in there... for
    example... listing Microsoft Office is not a cert... if it were, you would
    list MOUS... AOL?? Who would admit even touching that crap?? Christ if all
    of us were to do that, we would need 5 - 10 business cards attached together
    to do so... or just hand out an 8x10 sheet of paper...

    The one that made me laugh the most was "Internet Connectivity"

    >
    >
    Brat, Dec 15, 2003
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  3. "KennyG" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > I'm beginning to reconsider my pursuit of an MCSE. The only reason I'm
    > doing it anyway is to get those cool letters to put after my name. But
    > seven tests!, Geez! I could take seven tests from those other vendors and
    > get seven certifications. Then it would be like alphabet soup. That

    would
    > be great.
    >
    > Seriously though, I think I'll downgrade to an MCSA. I'll use my A+ and
    > Network + towards it, that will leave four (!) exams free, I could pick up

    a
    > CNA, a CCA, a CCDA, and maybe even an RHCE.
    >
    > Sound like a plan?
    >
    > Kenny( TruSecure TICSA, Cisco CCDP, CCNP, Cisco Firewall Specialist,

    Nortel
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    CWP,
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    >
    >


    You forgot your alto sax certification.

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  4. KennyG

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > Kenny( TruSecure TICSA, Cisco CCDP, CCNP, Cisco Firewall Specialist,
    Nortel
    > NNCSS, Microsoft MCP, Novell Master CNE, CNE 4/5/6, CIP, CIBS, CNS, IWA

    CWP,
    > Prosoft MCIW, SANS GSEC, GCIH, CompTIA HTI+, Security+, Server+,

    Network+,
    > I-Net+, A+, e-Biz+,Symantec SPS and NAI Sniffer SCP,Adobe Illustrator,

    Adobe
    > Photoshop, Datatrieve, Dreamweaver, Easytrieve Filemaker, Flash,
    > HTTP, Internet Connectivity, Microsoft Office, NetBEUI, Netscape Server,
    > Sendmail, Shockwave, SMTP, TCP/IP, Telephony, ACT, Adaptec CD Creator,

    Adobe
    > Acrobat, Adobe PageMaker, Adobe Premiere, AOL Instant Messenger, AOL
    > Browser, CDRWin, Claris Works, Corel Draw, Corel Office Suite, CuteFTP,

    Dr.
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    > Harddrive - Data Recovery, HP ScanJet, HTML, Hubs, ICQ, IIS, Adobe
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    >
    >


    I'm AOL certified. All it takes is tossing one if their free disks in the
    microwave - and watching the light show.

    --

    KB - MCNGP #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 15, 2003
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  5. Careful there--I recommend against using AOL disks for this because they
    have too much ink on the label. The disks can actually catch fire if nuked
    slightly too long.


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    "Ken Briscoe" <> wrote in message
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    > I'm AOL certified. All it takes is tossing one if their free disks in the
    > microwave - and watching the light show.
    >
    > --
    >
    > KB - MCNGP #26
    >
    > first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    >
    >
    Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP \(Shell/User\), Dec 15, 2003
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  6. KennyG

    JaR Guest

    "Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP (Shell/User)" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Careful there--I recommend against using AOL disks for this because they
    > have too much ink on the label. The disks can actually catch fire if nuked
    > slightly too long.
    >
    >

    It's good to get the real deal from an expert!
    :-D
    JaR, Dec 15, 2003
    #6
  7. KennyG

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > Careful there--I recommend against using AOL disks for this because they
    > have too much ink on the label. The disks can actually catch fire if

    nuked
    > slightly too long.


    LOL! I take it you've done this before?

    --

    KB - MCNGP #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 15, 2003
    #7
  8. LOL!!

    Nuked disks make great conversation pieces when used as coasters in a
    computer store. <VBEG>

    BTW--scraping AOL disks out of the bottom of the microwave after they blaze
    is no fun--and I am speaking from experience 8~((

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    "JaR" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > >

    > It's good to get the real deal from an expert!
    > :-D
    >
    >
    Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP \(Shell/User\), Dec 15, 2003
    #8
  9. Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP \(Shell/User\), Dec 15, 2003
    #9
  10. KennyG

    KennyG Guest

    Hey! I'm serious. This is my carrer were talking about here. I don't want
    this discussion to downgrad to a AOL disk buring fest. I've lived in a
    Microsoft wolrd for the past fifteen years, I thing I should branch out a
    little. I'm trying to figure out how best to spend my exam dollar.

    P.S. I thing Sue likes me, she resopnd to all my posts.
    KennyG, Dec 15, 2003
    #10
  11. Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP \(Shell/User\), Dec 15, 2003
    #11
  12. KennyG

    KennyG Guest

    what i lurned in netiquitte skoll

    ....lurk...lurk...troll...lurk...troll...lurk...lurk...
    KennyG, Dec 15, 2003
    #12
  13. KennyG

    Consultant Guest

    you should consider a career in competitive figure skating


    "KennyG" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hey! I'm serious. This is my carrer were talking about here. I don't

    want
    > this discussion to downgrad to a AOL disk buring fest. I've lived in a
    > Microsoft wolrd for the past fifteen years, I thing I should branch out a
    > little. I'm trying to figure out how best to spend my exam dollar.
    >
    > P.S. I thing Sue likes me, she resopnd to all my posts.
    >
    >
    Consultant, Dec 16, 2003
    #13
  14. KennyG

    KennyG Guest

    "Consultant" <> wrote in message
    news:eBmbXn%...
    > you should consider a career in competitive figure skating


    You're right. Double-axel. Triple toe loop.

    Actually, I think you guys (and gals) are great (and you *know* who you
    are).

    Me. I'm just a programmer. I don't know what kerpelism is and if I ever
    used Chalk's Term I did'nt know it. I'm a big fish is a little pond where I
    work. Problem is the little pond is drying up. So i did some self
    assessment and realized that (aside from being burnt-out on programming and
    possessing limited social skills) I have a lot of knowledge about computers
    and networking but nothing to really show that I know what I know to others.
    So I decide to get an MSCE (the premier certification) since I don't like
    doing things half-way.

    What I really want to do is start my own computer service company (actually
    I already have). You know, be one of those computer guys that comes to your
    office to fix your printer and charges you $150,00 an hour. Don't really
    need an MCSE for that.

    I find this newsgroup rather curious though. I mean, really, anyone that is
    after an MCSE does'nt really need this newsgroup, now do they? At least not
    from the technical standpoint. I have come to the conclusion that its only
    purpose is community. A place where people with a common goal can come to
    commiserate.

    Like others have said, this newsgroup doen'nt provide much information but
    it is fun.

    I just hope you will all be there when I have a *real* question.

    Respectfully yours, Ken Graci BSCS, A+, MCP
    KennyG, Dec 16, 2003
    #14
  15. "KennyG" <> wrote in message
    news:ut%23EMX$...
    >
    > I find this newsgroup rather curious though. I mean, really, anyone that

    is
    > after an MCSE does'nt really need this newsgroup, now do they?


    BINGO!

    A couple more secret steps and a package will be sent your way.

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    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
    understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
    living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
    © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
    Politician Spock, Dec 16, 2003
    #15
  16. KennyG wrote:
    > "Consultant" <> wrote in message
    > news:eBmbXn%...
    >> you should consider a career in competitive figure skating

    >
    > You're right. Double-axel. Triple toe loop.
    >
    > Actually, I think you guys (and gals) are great (and you *know* who
    > you are).
    >
    > Me. I'm just a programmer. I don't know what kerpelism is and if I
    > ever used Chalk's Term I did'nt know it. I'm a big fish is a little
    > pond where I work. Problem is the little pond is drying up. So i did
    > some self assessment and realized that (aside from being burnt-out on
    > programming and possessing limited social skills) I have a lot of
    > knowledge about computers and networking but nothing to really show
    > that I know what I know to others. So I decide to get an MSCE (the
    > premier certification) since I don't like doing things half-way.


    Study Kerpalism. It's almost a religion. Chalk (AKA Kline) is a wise old
    MCNGP. Learn his words of wisdom, and someday you may be added to the team.
    We need another 26 so that we can produce our own deck of playing cards.

    Can I have your old job? I'm a programmer and I possess GREAT FCKN people
    skills.

    I don't however, possess the premier certs that Glenn, one of the other
    MCNGP programmers have. Nor do I have the BSCS that you have, but I'm
    pretty good at BS.

    > What I really want to do is start my own computer service company
    > (actually I already have). You know, be one of those computer guys
    > that comes to your office to fix your printer and charges you $150,00
    > an hour. Don't really need an MCSE for that.


    Can you hire me for that? Well, I don't want to fix any printers, but when
    you charge your client $150 to fix their printer, we can pitch my mad
    programming skills and maybe make another $150/hour for writing them a
    custom logon script.

    > I find this newsgroup rather curious though. I mean, really, anyone
    > that is after an MCSE does'nt really need this newsgroup, now do
    > they? At least not from the technical standpoint. I have come to the
    > conclusion that its only purpose is community. A place where people
    > with a common goal can come to commiserate.


    You are wise beyond your years. I call this place home.

    > Like others have said, this newsgroup doen'nt provide much
    > information but it is fun.


    The lamers don't think so. You're officially not a lamer.

    > I just hope you will all be there when I have a *real* question.


    I may go into hibernation from time to time, but most of us are here for
    life, I think.

    > Respectfully yours, Ken Graci BSCS, A+, MCP


    --
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    =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?=, Dec 16, 2003
    #16
  17. KennyG

    Consultant Guest

    word

    "KennyG" <> wrote in message
    news:ut%23EMX$...
    > "Consultant" <> wrote in message
    > news:eBmbXn%...
    > > you should consider a career in competitive figure skating

    >
    > You're right. Double-axel. Triple toe loop.
    >
    > Actually, I think you guys (and gals) are great (and you *know* who you
    > are).
    >
    > Me. I'm just a programmer. I don't know what kerpelism is and if I ever
    > used Chalk's Term I did'nt know it. I'm a big fish is a little pond where

    I
    > work. Problem is the little pond is drying up. So i did some self
    > assessment and realized that (aside from being burnt-out on programming

    and
    > possessing limited social skills) I have a lot of knowledge about

    computers
    > and networking but nothing to really show that I know what I know to

    others.
    > So I decide to get an MSCE (the premier certification) since I don't like
    > doing things half-way.
    >
    > What I really want to do is start my own computer service company

    (actually
    > I already have). You know, be one of those computer guys that comes to

    your
    > office to fix your printer and charges you $150,00 an hour. Don't really
    > need an MCSE for that.
    >
    > I find this newsgroup rather curious though. I mean, really, anyone that

    is
    > after an MCSE does'nt really need this newsgroup, now do they? At least

    not
    > from the technical standpoint. I have come to the conclusion that its only
    > purpose is community. A place where people with a common goal can come to
    > commiserate.
    >
    > Like others have said, this newsgroup doen'nt provide much information but
    > it is fun.
    >
    > I just hope you will all be there when I have a *real* question.
    >
    > Respectfully yours, Ken Graci BSCS, A+, MCP
    >
    >
    Consultant, Dec 16, 2003
    #17
  18. KennyG

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > Can I have your old job? I'm a programmer and I possess GREAT FCKN
    people
    > skills.


    ....so....you physically take the specs from the customer?



    Here we go again....

    --

    KB - MCNGP #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 16, 2003
    #18
  19. KennyG

    KennyG Guest

    After a half hour of diligent research I now know what Chalk's Term is (in
    its pure form) and what kerpalism is.

    But I really don't thing i have ever used Chalk's Term. Many other but not
    that one. I'll try harder. I also don't like kicking defensless animals.

    Maybe I should consider figure skating after all.
    KennyG, Dec 16, 2003
    #19
  20. KennyG

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > I find this newsgroup rather curious though. I mean, really, anyone that
    is
    > after an MCSE does'nt really need this newsgroup, now do they? At least

    not
    > from the technical standpoint. I have come to the conclusion that its

    only
    > purpose is community. A place where people with a common goal can come

    to
    > commiserate.


    Frankly, I've learned nothing (techical) in this newsgroup. And I think I
    prefer it that way. You're right in the fact that it's more about
    community - people with common interests and goals "hanging out", as it
    were.

    > Like others have said, this newsgroup doen'nt provide much information

    but
    > it is fun.


    Of the many NGs I lurk and post in, this group rivals only
    alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox in community. And that's because we've all
    suffered years of torture and agony at the hands of the Red Sox - we share
    a common misery that will bind us together for the rest of our days.
    Sniffle. But there's always next year. There's *always* "always next year."

    > I just hope you will all be there when I have a *real* question.


    When there are legitimate questions that aren't easily resolved by doing
    such things as googling, and posting to *relevant* newsgroups (AD,
    scripting, exchange, yada yada yada), we're always here to help a fellow
    out. Or lady. Or feminine-looking-sax-player. Whatever. "We're here to
    help."

    Now hurry the F up and meet the damn requirements - I'm sick of being "the
    new guy." And I want my deck of cards.


    --

    KB - MCNGP #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    Ken Briscoe, Dec 16, 2003
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