MCSD Certification

Discussion in 'MCSD' started by Gary Coutts, Nov 29, 2004.

  1. Gary Coutts

    Gary Coutts Guest

    Hi,

    I am looking to get MCSD certified and would like some advice.

    I have 18 years experience in an real time/embedded environment. I have used
    Visual Studio 6 and .Net 2003 mostly to write test software for our embedded
    application. I fancy a slight career change and would like to do more
    Windows development.

    I am based in the UK and there seems to be lots of course available but I
    would prefer to study at home with the relevant books.


    Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the take
    the exams?

    Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?

    Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?

    Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    programmers?



    Cheers

    Gary Coutts
    Gary Coutts, Nov 29, 2004
    #1
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  2. I've recently completed MCSD and did not take any courses. I wish I could
    recommend some books to you that I had found to be really complete and
    thorough text books for what you need to know for all the exams - but I can't
    honestly say I ever found anything like that.

    I will say that I considered the four MS Press "Red Books" were a worthwhile
    investment, since I got the soft-copy collection from Amazon for about $120
    U.S. But I really don't think they're worth much more money than that. The
    70-300 book was especially deceiving in terms of how its content only vaguely
    reflects what the exam is about. It's a real shame, if not a sham.

    If you read some of the other posts on this board, I think you will find
    that a lot of folks who have gone through this mill like the Exam Cram books.
    I used a couple of them and found them to be helpful.

    I think the hardest thing is knowing what stuff you need to know really
    well...what topics you only need a general understanding of, etc. That might
    be where courses would help but, as I say, I didn't take any.

    Possibly your best source of thorough information is going to be MSDN. What
    I tried to do is use the books to sort of keep me focused on what topics to
    work on - and then go to MSDN for more complete information on a given topic.

    I think the hardest thing is knowing what stuff you need to know really
    well, what topics you only need a general understanding of, etc.

    Practice tests can help with that. But, from what I saw, the ones that come
    with either the Exam Cram books or the MSPress books were really bad.

    Good Luck





    "Gary Coutts" wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > I am looking to get MCSD certified and would like some advice.
    >
    > I have 18 years experience in an real time/embedded environment. I have used
    > Visual Studio 6 and .Net 2003 mostly to write test software for our embedded
    > application. I fancy a slight career change and would like to do more
    > Windows development.
    >
    > I am based in the UK and there seems to be lots of course available but I
    > would prefer to study at home with the relevant books.
    >
    >
    > Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the take
    > the exams?
    >
    > Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?
    >
    > Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?
    >
    > Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    > programmers?
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Gary Coutts
    >
    >
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?UmljaA==?=, Nov 29, 2004
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  3. "Gary Coutts" <> wrote in message
    news:cof0g3$3q4$...

    Hi Gary,

    > Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the
    > take
    > the exams?


    There are no requirements as to how you learn the material. On-the-job
    experience, books, and practice exams are enough for many people to pass the
    exams.

    > Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?


    This is asked and answered here pretty often. Go to groups.google.com and
    put in something like "70-305 good book" (substitute for each exam) and
    you'll find lots of discussions.

    > Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?


    MCAD is a subset of MCSD. You will probably want to take the exams that
    count towards the MCAD so you'll gain that certification, and then take the
    rest of the exams for MCSD.

    > Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    > programmers?



    I'd survey the job advertisements in your local newspaper.

    --
    Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
    www.cindywinegarden.com
    Cindy Winegarden, Nov 30, 2004
    #3
  4. Gary Coutts

    Nick Guest

    Hi Gary,

    I am also in the UK and have been watching the job market recently so maybe
    I can help.

    Windows based programmers in an IT department style setting are not always
    the best paid of jobs. Stay away from these if you can, but unfortunately
    most of the jobs advertised seem to be these at around £20-30k. For rather
    silly reasons, C# seems to be used more for commercial software (it
    therefore pays better) and VB.NET for in house apps. With your embedded
    knowledge though and your experience, you should easily be able to command a
    higher paid salary should you wish, especially if you have specialised
    applied knowledge and end up working in real engineering or in a software
    house.

    Most people here, swear by the Que Publishing set of books for both VB/C#
    tracks. I used these AND also used msdn webcasts and have yet to fail an
    exam.

    Regards,

    Nick

    "Gary Coutts" <> wrote in message
    news:cof0g3$3q4$...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am looking to get MCSD certified and would like some advice.
    >
    > I have 18 years experience in an real time/embedded environment. I have
    > used
    > Visual Studio 6 and .Net 2003 mostly to write test software for our
    > embedded
    > application. I fancy a slight career change and would like to do more
    > Windows development.
    >
    > I am based in the UK and there seems to be lots of course available but I
    > would prefer to study at home with the relevant books.
    >
    >
    > Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the
    > take
    > the exams?
    >
    > Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?
    >
    > Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?
    >
    > Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    > programmers?
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Gary Coutts
    >
    >



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  5. "Gary Coutts" <> wrote in message
    news:cof0g3$3q4$...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am looking to get MCSD certified and would like some advice.
    >
    > I have 18 years experience in an real time/embedded environment. I have
    > used
    > Visual Studio 6 and .Net 2003 mostly to write test software for our
    > embedded
    > application. I fancy a slight career change and would like to do more
    > Windows development.
    >
    > I am based in the UK and there seems to be lots of course available but I
    > would prefer to study at home with the relevant books.
    >
    >
    > Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the
    > take
    > the exams?
    >
    > Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?
    >
    > Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?
    >
    > Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    > programmers?
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Gary Coutts
    >
    >
    Microsoft News, Dec 2, 2004
    #5
  6. Gary Coutts

    Gary Coutts Guest

    Cheers Cindy

    "Cindy Winegarden" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Gary Coutts" <> wrote in message
    > news:cof0g3$3q4$...
    >
    > Hi Gary,
    >
    > > Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the
    > > take
    > > the exams?

    >
    > There are no requirements as to how you learn the material. On-the-job
    > experience, books, and practice exams are enough for many people to pass

    the
    > exams.
    >
    > > Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?

    >
    > This is asked and answered here pretty often. Go to groups.google.com and
    > put in something like "70-305 good book" (substitute for each exam) and
    > you'll find lots of discussions.
    >
    > > Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?

    >
    > MCAD is a subset of MCSD. You will probably want to take the exams that
    > count towards the MCAD so you'll gain that certification, and then take

    the
    > rest of the exams for MCSD.
    >
    > > Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    > > programmers?

    >
    >
    > I'd survey the job advertisements in your local newspaper.
    >
    > --
    > Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
    > www.cindywinegarden.com
    >
    >
    >
    Gary Coutts, Dec 2, 2004
    #6
  7. Gary Coutts

    Gary Coutts Guest

    Cheers Nick

    "Nick" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi Gary,
    >
    > I am also in the UK and have been watching the job market recently so

    maybe
    > I can help.
    >
    > Windows based programmers in an IT department style setting are not always
    > the best paid of jobs. Stay away from these if you can, but unfortunately
    > most of the jobs advertised seem to be these at around £20-30k. For rather
    > silly reasons, C# seems to be used more for commercial software (it
    > therefore pays better) and VB.NET for in house apps. With your embedded
    > knowledge though and your experience, you should easily be able to command

    a
    > higher paid salary should you wish, especially if you have specialised
    > applied knowledge and end up working in real engineering or in a software
    > house.
    >
    > Most people here, swear by the Que Publishing set of books for both VB/C#
    > tracks. I used these AND also used msdn webcasts and have yet to fail an
    > exam.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Nick
    >
    > "Gary Coutts" <> wrote in message
    > news:cof0g3$3q4$...
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > I am looking to get MCSD certified and would like some advice.
    > >
    > > I have 18 years experience in an real time/embedded environment. I have
    > > used
    > > Visual Studio 6 and .Net 2003 mostly to write test software for our
    > > embedded
    > > application. I fancy a slight career change and would like to do more
    > > Windows development.
    > >
    > > I am based in the UK and there seems to be lots of course available but

    I
    > > would prefer to study at home with the relevant books.
    > >
    > >
    > > Do I need to take accredited courses or can I home study and then the
    > > take
    > > the exams?
    > >
    > > Can anyone recommended a got set of texts for the MCSD?
    > >
    > > Is it better to go for the MCAD then move on to the MCSD?
    > >
    > > Also anybody know what the market is like ( in the UK) for windows based
    > > programmers?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Cheers
    > >
    > > Gary Coutts
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
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    Gary Coutts, Dec 2, 2004
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