MCSA with no hardware knowledge???

Discussion in 'Microsoft Certification' started by chris, Oct 10, 2003.

  1. chris

    chris Guest

    Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a point where its time
    to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to either start doing a lot
    more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not to hip on
    programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is. MCSA should be a
    good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it realistic in this day
    and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge. Do any companies
    out there use people like these. I could do the "New to IT" track for MCSA
    and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really interested to hear
    from people in the field that may have encountered this scenario. In a
    perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy. With the focus on
    DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just cant write any more
    code to enhance my DBA skills.
    Thanks in advance.
    Chris
    chris, Oct 10, 2003
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  2. chris

    Flicker Guest

    did you take server exams for MCDBA? If not you can learn server but in my
    opinion certificate is worthless now so you may not need to take the exam.
    DBAs are more valuable with server knowledge.

    Do you know any language beside MS SQL and T_SQL? Most DBAs know at least
    one language. How is your XML?





    "chris" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a point where its time
    > to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to either start doing a

    lot
    > more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not to hip on
    > programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is. MCSA should be a
    > good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it realistic in this day
    > and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge. Do any companies
    > out there use people like these. I could do the "New to IT" track for MCSA
    > and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really interested to hear
    > from people in the field that may have encountered this scenario. In a
    > perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy. With the focus on
    > DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just cant write any

    more
    > code to enhance my DBA skills.
    > Thanks in advance.
    > Chris
    >
    >
    Flicker, Oct 10, 2003
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  3. chris

    Nelson Guest

    Hello Chris,
    According to what I've seen a Software Specialist or
    System Administrator doesn't really need to know about
    hardware to fullfill the requirements. For example in my
    company (I work for a bank in the Dominican Republic)
    there are different departments for Technical Support (OS
    and Hardware Engeeners).

    And I think most big and even medium companies are like
    mine. So I you want to lear hardware of course will be a
    plus but that shouldn't be what stops you from obtaining
    your MCSA.

    Like you I want to be a MCDBA. I recently got my first
    Microsoft Certification (exam 70-228 DBA) but I will try
    to become first MCSA. I think both combines perfectly to
    expand our knowledge.

    Wish you the best of luck in your goal!!!
    Best Regards

    _______________
    Nelson Montes de Oca, MCP, A+


    >-----Original Message-----
    >Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a

    point where its time
    >to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to

    either start doing a lot
    >more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not

    to hip on
    >programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is.

    MCSA should be a
    >good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it

    realistic in this day
    >and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge.

    Do any companies
    >out there use people like these. I could do the "New to

    IT" track for MCSA
    >and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really

    interested to hear
    >from people in the field that may have encountered this

    scenario. In a
    >perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy.

    With the focus on
    >DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just

    cant write any more
    >code to enhance my DBA skills.
    >Thanks in advance.
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >.
    >
    Nelson, Oct 11, 2003
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  4. chris

    chris Guest

    > Do you know any language beside MS SQL and T_SQL?

    Just TSQL. Thanks for your input. But do have any thoughts in regards to my
    questions?


    "Flicker" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > did you take server exams for MCDBA? If not you can learn server but in

    my
    > opinion certificate is worthless now so you may not need to take the exam.
    > DBAs are more valuable with server knowledge.
    >
    > Do you know any language beside MS SQL and T_SQL? Most DBAs know at least
    > one language. How is your XML?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "chris" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a point where its

    time
    > > to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to either start doing a

    > lot
    > > more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not to hip on
    > > programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is. MCSA should be

    a
    > > good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it realistic in this

    day
    > > and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge. Do any

    companies
    > > out there use people like these. I could do the "New to IT" track for

    MCSA
    > > and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really interested to

    hear
    > > from people in the field that may have encountered this scenario. In a
    > > perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy. With the focus

    on
    > > DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just cant write any

    > more
    > > code to enhance my DBA skills.
    > > Thanks in advance.
    > > Chris
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    chris, Oct 11, 2003
    #4
  5. chris

    Guest Guest

    I'm DBA (not certified) and MCSE. Honestly I wanted to learn more with the
    languges cauz it helps DBAs know what the programmers are doing to the
    databases. I tried to learn VB and gave up after 2 weeks after realized
    that I am not that type of a person sitting 8 hrs plus in front of the
    monitor and just typing and typing. For your questions: go ahead with MCSA.
    It is kind of a plan B in case ... we lost the job.

    "chris" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > > Do you know any language beside MS SQL and T_SQL?

    >
    > Just TSQL. Thanks for your input. But do have any thoughts in regards to

    my
    > questions?
    >
    >
    > "Flicker" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > did you take server exams for MCDBA? If not you can learn server but in

    > my
    > > opinion certificate is worthless now so you may not need to take the

    exam.
    > > DBAs are more valuable with server knowledge.
    > >
    > > Do you know any language beside MS SQL and T_SQL? Most DBAs know at

    least
    > > one language. How is your XML?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "chris" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a point where its

    > time
    > > > to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to either start doing

    a
    > > lot
    > > > more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not to hip on
    > > > programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is. MCSA should

    be
    > a
    > > > good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it realistic in this

    > day
    > > > and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge. Do any

    > companies
    > > > out there use people like these. I could do the "New to IT" track for

    > MCSA
    > > > and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really interested to

    > hear
    > > > from people in the field that may have encountered this scenario. In a
    > > > perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy. With the focus

    > on
    > > > DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just cant write any

    > > more
    > > > code to enhance my DBA skills.
    > > > Thanks in advance.
    > > > Chris
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Guest, Oct 13, 2003
    #5
  6. chris

    Zenner Guest

    hardware knowledge is not really necessary in most shops anymore, in some
    cases it is even discouraged. Hardware costs have fallen precipitately in
    the last few years. All you really need to know is R & R (remove and
    replace). Most companies either have on site maintenance contracts built
    into the purchase, Swap out of defective units or they ship you the part and
    you install it.

    Smaller shops may still have a competent all around tech, but they are
    getting harder to find. It's just a result of making computers/servers a
    commodity. One of the current trends soon to be on the market is
    "self-healing" systems. The spin is, they will be able to self diagnose and
    either work around the problem using some software algo. or call the help
    desk of the vendor and request either a service call, more detailed
    diagnosing from a tech or declare themselves as defective and request a
    replacement be delivered. The costs will, of course go up..but it's a lot
    cheaper than having a person on duty all the time for the rare hardware
    related problem. Some companies are on a 3 year replacement contract
    anyway...their PC/Server platforms are replaced or upgraded every 3 years,
    usually way before MTBF is reached.


    "chris" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a point where its time
    > to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to either start doing a

    lot
    > more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not to hip on
    > programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is. MCSA should be a
    > good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it realistic in this day
    > and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge. Do any companies
    > out there use people like these. I could do the "New to IT" track for MCSA
    > and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really interested to hear
    > from people in the field that may have encountered this scenario. In a
    > perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy. With the focus on
    > DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just cant write any

    more
    > code to enhance my DBA skills.
    > Thanks in advance.
    > Chris
    >
    >



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  7. chris

    Tore Bostrup Guest

    It depends on what you mean by "hardware knowledge".

    Knowing how to design electronic or computer circuitry would not likely be
    useful in such a situation. However, knowing enough about hardware and the
    OS to be able to determine a proper configuration for a database server
    setup (based on database size, number of users, and usage patterns) would be
    VERY useful. Also, being able to identify and correct OS and system
    configuration issues, etc. would be good.

    For a DBA to be an MCSA would probably not hurt. But you'll probably find
    that the size of the company determines how much (or how little)
    specialization is required or desirable in the job. In a large company,
    they may not want the DBA to get too far outside of the database. In a
    small company, there may not be a dedicated DBA, but possible a "server
    administrator" that is responsible for all the server related tasks.

    HTH,
    Tore.

    "chris" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Im a MCDBA. Ive got 2 1/2 years as a SQL DBA. Im at a point where its time
    > to start expanding my knowledge. I figure I need to either start doing a

    lot
    > more SQL programming or start learning some OS stuff. Not to hip on
    > programming any more than I need too. So, OS stuff it is. MCSA should be a
    > good starting point. My question is(finally) , is it realistic in this day
    > and age for an OS guy to not have any hardware knowledge. Do any companies
    > out there use people like these. I could do the "New to IT" track for MCSA
    > and that would help with the hardware dealio. Im really interested to hear
    > from people in the field that may have encountered this scenario. In a
    > perfect world, my dream job would be a SQL DBA/ OS guy. With the focus on
    > DBA stuff. Im aware this may be pretty tough but I just cant write any

    more
    > code to enhance my DBA skills.
    > Thanks in advance.
    > Chris
    >
    >
    Tore Bostrup, Oct 24, 2003
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