MCDST newbie

Discussion in 'MCDST' started by carolinebx, Feb 20, 2008.

  1. carolinebx

    carolinebx Guest

    I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self taught,
    I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the exam
    online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more free
    resource with be helpful suggestion welcome
     
    carolinebx, Feb 20, 2008
    #1
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  2. "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    news::

    > I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self taught,
    > I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the exam
    > online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more free
    > resource with be helpful suggestion welcome


    If you not willing to spend money on your education, you must spend
    time. This means not relying on books or "free" resources to negotiate
    this, or any other exam. Experience is highly recommended. It proves
    that you know in fact how to do the job the certification implies.
    Microsoft states, "The MCDST credential is for IT professionals who are
    working in the typically complex computing environment of small, medium,
    or large organizations. An MCDST candidate should have 6-12 months of
    experience supporting end-users of a desktop operating system." If you
    do not fit this description, I recommend putting your plans for this
    particular certification on hold until you achieve the recommended
    requirements.

    --
    Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
     
    Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.], Feb 20, 2008
    #2
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  3. carolinebx

    Chris Guest

    Caroline, Don’t listen to Michale, he said something similar to me, first of
    all Michael this seems to be all you say to people who are trying to make
    things easier for themselves were not all rich IT guys sometimes it's hard to
    pay for thins especially for the silly cost for things to do with these
    exams. Second I been in IT for over 3 and a half years now, still rather a
    beginner only working on helpdesk and such. one person's jobs DON'T cover
    the whole exam. I never install Windows on PC's so how can you tell people
    that you got to have real world experience when the job don’t cover
    everything.

    regards

    Chris

    regards

    Chris

    "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:

    > "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    > news::
    >
    > > I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self taught,
    > > I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the exam
    > > online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more free
    > > resource with be helpful suggestion welcome

    >
    > If you not willing to spend money on your education, you must spend
    > time. This means not relying on books or "free" resources to negotiate
    > this, or any other exam. Experience is highly recommended. It proves
    > that you know in fact how to do the job the certification implies.
    > Microsoft states, "The MCDST credential is for IT professionals who are
    > working in the typically complex computing environment of small, medium,
    > or large organizations. An MCDST candidate should have 6-12 months of
    > experience supporting end-users of a desktop operating system." If you
    > do not fit this description, I recommend putting your plans for this
    > particular certification on hold until you achieve the recommended
    > requirements.
    >
    > --
    > Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    > The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    > CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    >
    >
    >
     
    Chris, Feb 25, 2008
    #3
  4. "Chris" <> wrote in message
    news::

    > Caroline, Don't listen to Michale, he said something similar to me, first of
    > all Michael this seems to be all you say to people who are trying to make
    > things easier for themselves were not all rich IT guys sometimes it's hard to
    > pay for thins especially for the silly cost for things to do with these
    > exams. Second I been in IT for over 3 and a half years now, still rather a
    > beginner only working on helpdesk and such. one person's jobs DON'T cover
    > the whole exam. I never install Windows on PC's so how can you tell people
    > that you got to have real world experience when the job don't cover
    > everything.
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:
    >
    > > "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    > > news::
    > >
    > > > I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self taught,
    > > > I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the exam
    > > > online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more free
    > > > resource with be helpful suggestion welcome

    > >
    > > If you not willing to spend money on your education, you must spend
    > > time. This means not relying on books or "free" resources to negotiate
    > > this, or any other exam. Experience is highly recommended. It proves
    > > that you know in fact how to do the job the certification implies.
    > > Microsoft states, "The MCDST credential is for IT professionals who are
    > > working in the typically complex computing environment of small, medium,
    > > or large organizations. An MCDST candidate should have 6-12 months of
    > > experience supporting end-users of a desktop operating system." If you
    > > do not fit this description, I recommend putting your plans for this
    > > particular certification on hold until you achieve the recommended
    > > requirements.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    > > The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    > > CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    > >
    > >
    > >


    This just made my day. Let's see, where should I start? First, please
    use spell checker and proper punctuation. Your last was very hard to
    follow. But I digress. I had planned on responding to your post in a
    manner less becoming of me, however I will take the high road. When
    choosing a certification, any certification, you should really ask
    yourself 1.) does this certification fit my experience, and 2.) why do I
    want this certification to begin with. You said, " one person's jobs
    DON'T cover the whole exam." This may be the case, however it doesn't
    mean that you have to rely on your current job position to get hands-on
    experience. Notice how Microsoft recommends this experience, not
    requires it.

    Secondly, you don't have to be rich to be smart, or educated for that
    matter. The only cost that is guaranteed in pursuing certifications is
    the cost of the exam. In the end, it all comes down to this: You get
    what you pay for. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing ($1 to Billy
    Preston). If one cannot financially afford the pursuit of education
    material, then you have to additional time in utilizing free resources
    that may not be readily available. Otherwise, you get out of it what you
    put into it. Garbage in, garbage out. It's all common sense and ... wait
    for it... learning by experience.

    In the end, I am still correct: Experience is highly recommended. It
    proves that you know in fact how to do the job the certification
    implies. Never installed Windows XP before but hold the MCDST
    certification? You're a Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Specialist.
    Any you have the nerve to tell a client, customer, or your boss that you
    don't have experience in performing this task? I would buy a paper
    shredder and drop my certification right into it because at that point
    none of those individuals are going to respect your skills, much less
    that piece of paper that implies you have the skills.

    --
    Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
     
    Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.], Feb 25, 2008
    #4
  5. carolinebx

    Chris Guest

    You made my day as well. I wonder why your even biting? Does it really
    matter what I say. Though your good advertisement I must check out your
    company see what you do. PS I was at work earlier and did not have time to
    spell check, which is a fault on my part, but I felt you treated Caroline
    rather badly. (Must spell check this)

    "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:

    > "Chris" <> wrote in message
    > news::
    >
    > > Caroline, Don't listen to Michale, he said something similar to me, first of
    > > all Michael this seems to be all you say to people who are trying to make
    > > things easier for themselves were not all rich IT guys sometimes it's hard to
    > > pay for thins especially for the silly cost for things to do with these
    > > exams. Second I been in IT for over 3 and a half years now, still rather a
    > > beginner only working on helpdesk and such. one person's jobs DON'T cover
    > > the whole exam. I never install Windows on PC's so how can you tell people
    > > that you got to have real world experience when the job don't cover
    > > everything.
    > >
    > > regards
    > >
    > > Chris
    > >
    > > regards
    > >
    > > Chris
    > >
    > > "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:
    > >
    > > > "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    > > > news::
    > > >
    > > > > I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self taught,
    > > > > I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the exam
    > > > > online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more free
    > > > > resource with be helpful suggestion welcome
    > > >
    > > > If you not willing to spend money on your education, you must spend
    > > > time. This means not relying on books or "free" resources to negotiate
    > > > this, or any other exam. Experience is highly recommended. It proves
    > > > that you know in fact how to do the job the certification implies.
    > > > Microsoft states, "The MCDST credential is for IT professionals who are
    > > > working in the typically complex computing environment of small, medium,
    > > > or large organizations. An MCDST candidate should have 6-12 months of
    > > > experience supporting end-users of a desktop operating system." If you
    > > > do not fit this description, I recommend putting your plans for this
    > > > particular certification on hold until you achieve the recommended
    > > > requirements.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    > > > The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    > > > CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    > This just made my day. Let's see, where should I start? First, please
    > use spell checker and proper punctuation. Your last was very hard to
    > follow. But I digress. I had planned on responding to your post in a
    > manner less becoming of me, however I will take the high road. When
    > choosing a certification, any certification, you should really ask
    > yourself 1.) does this certification fit my experience, and 2.) why do I
    > want this certification to begin with. You said, " one person's jobs
    > DON'T cover the whole exam." This may be the case, however it doesn't
    > mean that you have to rely on your current job position to get hands-on
    > experience. Notice how Microsoft recommends this experience, not
    > requires it.
    >
    > Secondly, you don't have to be rich to be smart, or educated for that
    > matter. The only cost that is guaranteed in pursuing certifications is
    > the cost of the exam. In the end, it all comes down to this: You get
    > what you pay for. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing ($1 to Billy
    > Preston). If one cannot financially afford the pursuit of education
    > material, then you have to additional time in utilizing free resources
    > that may not be readily available. Otherwise, you get out of it what you
    > put into it. Garbage in, garbage out. It's all common sense and ... wait
    > for it... learning by experience.
    >
    > In the end, I am still correct: Experience is highly recommended. It
    > proves that you know in fact how to do the job the certification
    > implies. Never installed Windows XP before but hold the MCDST
    > certification? You're a Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Specialist.
    > Any you have the nerve to tell a client, customer, or your boss that you
    > don't have experience in performing this task? I would buy a paper
    > shredder and drop my certification right into it because at that point
    > none of those individuals are going to respect your skills, much less
    > that piece of paper that implies you have the skills.
    >
    > --
    > Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    > The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    > CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    >
    >
    >
     
    Chris, Feb 26, 2008
    #5
  6. "Chris" <> wrote in message
    news::

    > You made my day as well. I wonder why your even biting? Does it really
    > matter what I say. Though your good advertisement I must check out your
    > company see what you do. PS I was at work earlier and did not have time to
    > spell check, which is a fault on my part, but I felt you treated Caroline
    > rather badly. (Must spell check this)
    >

    <snipped>

    I bit because I was bored and out of Guinness. Considering your
    philosophy of I.T. certifications, no, I do not think what you say
    matters. Also being at work is not a valid excuse for butchering the
    English language. Furthermore, I said absolutely nothing to Caroline
    that was demeaning or unconstructive.

    Have a wonderful day.

    --
    Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
     
    Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.], Feb 26, 2008
    #6
  7. carolinebx

    carolinebx Guest

    Actually I do have some good books, cd rom from the likes of sybex, MSpress
    etc and I have working experience
    of working as a Network/Desktop support staff for ISP company, but as you
    can not been too prepare or perhaps my apprehensions about the exam.
    I just would like more resources or tip bits from any experience individual
    and thanks to all those who have been understanding chris, micheal thanks
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Chris" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Caroline, Don’t listen to Michale, he said something similar to me, first
    > of
    > all Michael this seems to be all you say to people who are trying to make
    > things easier for themselves were not all rich IT guys sometimes it's hard
    > to
    > pay for thins especially for the silly cost for things to do with these
    > exams. Second I been in IT for over 3 and a half years now, still rather
    > a
    > beginner only working on helpdesk and such. one person's jobs DON'T cover
    > the whole exam. I never install Windows on PC's so how can you tell
    > people
    > that you got to have real world experience when the job don’t cover
    > everything.
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:
    >
    >> "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    >> news::
    >>
    >> > I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self
    >> > taught,
    >> > I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the
    >> > exam
    >> > online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more
    >> > free
    >> > resource with be helpful suggestion welcome

    >>
    >> If you not willing to spend money on your education, you must spend
    >> time. This means not relying on books or "free" resources to negotiate
    >> this, or any other exam. Experience is highly recommended. It proves
    >> that you know in fact how to do the job the certification implies.
    >> Microsoft states, "The MCDST credential is for IT professionals who are
    >> working in the typically complex computing environment of small, medium,
    >> or large organizations. An MCDST candidate should have 6-12 months of
    >> experience supporting end-users of a desktop operating system." If you
    >> do not fit this description, I recommend putting your plans for this
    >> particular certification on hold until you achieve the recommended
    >> requirements.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    >> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    >> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    carolinebx, Feb 26, 2008
    #7
  8. "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    news:#Mfx$:

    > Actually I do have some good books, cd rom from the likes of sybex, MSpress
    > etc and I have working experience
    > of working as a Network/Desktop support staff for ISP company, but as you
    > can not been too prepare or perhaps my apprehensions about the exam.
    > I just would like more resources or tip bits from any experience individual
    > and thanks to all those who have been understanding chris, micheal thanks
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > "Chris" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Caroline, Don't listen to Michale, he said something similar to me, first
    > > of
    > > all Michael this seems to be all you say to people who are trying to make
    > > things easier for themselves were not all rich IT guys sometimes it's hard
    > > to
    > > pay for thins especially for the silly cost for things to do with these
    > > exams. Second I been in IT for over 3 and a half years now, still rather
    > > a
    > > beginner only working on helpdesk and such. one person's jobs DON'T cover
    > > the whole exam. I never install Windows on PC's so how can you tell
    > > people
    > > that you got to have real world experience when the job don't cover
    > > everything.
    > >
    > > regards
    > >
    > > Chris
    > >
    > > regards
    > >
    > > Chris
    > >
    > > "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" wrote:
    > >
    > >> "carolinebx" <> wrote in message
    > >> news::
    > >>
    > >> > I'm just about to book to do my MCDST Exam as i am going to be self
    > >> > taught,
    > >> > I am interesting in knowing where to get more free resources on the
    > >> > exam
    > >> > online, i check the microsoft site and all, but any other site for more
    > >> > free
    > >> > resource with be helpful suggestion welcome
    > >>
    > >> If you not willing to spend money on your education, you must spend
    > >> time. This means not relying on books or "free" resources to negotiate
    > >> this, or any other exam. Experience is highly recommended. It proves
    > >> that you know in fact how to do the job the certification implies.
    > >> Microsoft states, "The MCDST credential is for IT professionals who are
    > >> working in the typically complex computing environment of small, medium,
    > >> or large organizations. An MCDST candidate should have 6-12 months of
    > >> experience supporting end-users of a desktop operating system." If you
    > >> do not fit this description, I recommend putting your plans for this
    > >> particular certification on hold until you achieve the recommended
    > >> requirements.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    > >> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    > >> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>


    Caroline, http://www.microsoft.com/technet is a great free resource.
    Tons of reading, whitepapers and such
    --
    Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
     
    Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.], Feb 26, 2008
    #8
  9. caroline,

    There isn't really a "cookie cutter" answer for this question. People learn
    differently and have different natural abilities and intelligence that may
    aid in their acquisition of certification. That is why there are so many
    options out there for training resources.

    There is no good substitute for experience, and the testing is geared
    towards someone who understands the operating system and is comfortable and
    familiar with working within that environment.

    The best Free Resources for these materials is your Public Library. Many
    libraries will maintain a section of books on Computer Resources and Training
    Materials. There are porgrams at many libraries to obtain these books or to
    check them out from other libraries. There are practice and test exams all
    over the web. But again, those are only testing specific bits of knowledge
    that may or may not be covered on your exam.

    I personally grab up the Microsoft Books on Amazon.com as I can find used
    and new books. You may have your own ideas for find the materials for
    preparing for your exams. Even if they don't help me with the exam, I have
    an excellent resource should I need to find something specific.

    Finally, I use Google for more specific questions or for more details on
    items that may interest me.
     
    William Smith, Feb 26, 2008
    #9
  10. carolinebx

    demonwebb Guest

    This is my second post, so hi all, my named is Adam btw. :)

    I was made redundant after working 3 years in IT technical sales, so
    went to my careers office. I always wanted to be more involved with
    the technical side, so they got me £3000 of training called blended
    learning. This gave me vouchers for the official microsoft courses,
    plus a full day of training for each exam on the MCSA and MCDST tracks
    and covered the cost of the exams. I agree with Michael that there is
    no substiture for "hands-on" so I have tinkered with PCs for 10 years.
    I just wanted the formal qualifications as I had none. The offical
    courses are quite good, but I found not enough substance in them to
    pass the exams. My tinkering was based on helping family and friends
    with their PCs, running W98 and XP. So I had no experience of volume
    licensing, VPNs, unattended installs etc.
    I then worked for 6 months as a helpdesk technician for a web hosting
    company, so most of my experience was with SMEs with email problems. I
    also dabbled in MailDaemon, Linux BIND, remote desktop, Plesk, VNC,
    and Server 2003. I was made redundant as the company had financial
    problems, and then did 6 months in web development.

    Although I don't consider this to be a lot of experience, it is quite
    diverse and what I knew covered about 70% of the course material. I
    still didn't have enough knowledge to regularly score 90% + in the
    practice exams, so I bought a book for each course - off an online
    auction site - you know the one. These fill most of the rest. One
    problem I found was that you have to memorise the exact route to get
    somewhere so you can explain to your end user over the phone. I can
    easily do it myself when at the pc, but when you can't see what they
    see, that is where the hands-on comes in, how to interpret their
    information, and how to explain to them easily how to get to a
    particular command.
     
    demonwebb, Apr 3, 2008
    #10
  11. carolinebx

    Ignbell Guest

    Soooooooooo..... after reading your cat and dog fight.. i noticed that
    nobody gave an answer to what´s important about this conversation... Is there
    any kind of free resource with helpful suggestions for people who whant to
    spend money on teaching themselves that can´t afford a course... neider a
    book, and probably the only thing that they could have is some experience on
    Microsoft´s OS`s, and whant to invest on Microsoft´s MCDST, exam or any
    other available...????????

    (English ain´t my natural language, and i don´t use spellchecker ;) ...sry.)
    Thanks for everything.
     
    Ignbell, May 7, 2008
    #11
  12. "Ignbell" <> wrote in message
    news::

    > Soooooooooo..... after reading your cat and dog fight.. i noticed that
    > nobody gave an answer to what´s important about this conversation... Is there
    > any kind of free resource with helpful suggestions for people who whant to
    > spend money on teaching themselves that can´t afford a course... neider a
    > book, and probably the only thing that they could have is some experience on
    > Microsoft´s OS`s, and whant to invest on Microsoft´s MCDST, exam or any
    > other available...????????
    >
    > (English ain´t my natural language, and i don´t use spellchecker ;) ...sry.)
    > Thanks for everything.


    You don't need a course, a book, a practice test for certifications...
    You need EXPERIENCE. How you get that experience is up to you.
    Certifications are not designed for newbies. They are created for
    experienced IT folk who wish to justify their experience with a sheet of
    paper. Nothing wrong with that, but that's certifications in a
    nutshell...

    --
    Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST
    The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
    CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/
    Microsoft's Six Steps to Certifications -
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/sixsteps.mspx
     
    Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.], May 7, 2008
    #12
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