M$ Office release now pushed back to 2007 Q1

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  1. Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 24, 2006
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    Peter S Guest

    "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535
    >
    > Delay, and more delay.
    >
    >
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    >
    > --
    > "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    > NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    > with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    > used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
    >


    Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or you
    complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be consistent.
     
    Peter S, Mar 24, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    In article <>,
    "Peter S" <> wrote:

    > "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    > > http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129T
    > > X1K0000535
    > >
    > > Delay, and more delay.
    > >
    > >
    > > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    > >
    > > --
    > > "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    > > NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    > > with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    > > used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
    > >

    >
    > Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or you
    > complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be consistent.


    Or at least complain about buggy OSS software that is released late too.
     
    whoisthis, Mar 24, 2006
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    RJ Guest

    In article <>, says...
    > "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    > > http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535
    > >
    > > Delay, and more delay.
    > >
    > >
    > > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    > >
    > > --
    > > "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    > > NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    > > with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    > > used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
    > >

    >
    > Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or you
    > complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be consistent.


    Teacup is just some troll who sits in front of his computer all day long
    and doesn't get out.

    Get a life!!!!
     
    RJ, Mar 25, 2006
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  7. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:50:40 +1200, whoisthis wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea <> wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1
    >> K0000535
    >>

    >
    > Of course this is a win win for you, you can either complain about the
    > late release or complain about how they are releasing buggy software.


    There is no reason why a large software purchasing & marketing company
    that has been in business for decades cannot get it's products to market
    on time and at the requisite quality - unless it's had substantial
    internal problems such as, massive restructuring every few months.


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea

    --
    "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
     
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 25, 2006
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    whoisthis Guest

    In article <>,
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea <> wrote:

    > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:50:40 +1200, whoisthis wrote:
    >
    > > In article <>,
    > > Have A Nice Cup of Tea <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129
    > >> TX1
    > >> K0000535
    > >>

    > >
    > > Of course this is a win win for you, you can either complain about the
    > > late release or complain about how they are releasing buggy software.

    >
    > There is no reason why a large software purchasing & marketing company
    > that has been in business for decades cannot get it's products to market
    > on time and at the requisite quality - unless it's had substantial
    > internal problems such as, massive restructuring every few months.
    >


    There are substantial reasons, unlike linux they have no one (apart from
    Apple) to copy ideas from. Take into account the amount of code and all
    the drivers and other issues they have to cope with as well as people
    like you will to yell and scream if things are not perfect then yeah,
    delays are inevitable.

    Hell just look at how often major building/works are delayed and by
    comparison they are simple problems. AND various OSS projects have been
    delayed too, though because they have zero need to announce things its
    harder to tell how far behind they really are.
     
    whoisthis, Mar 25, 2006
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  9. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:10:14 +1200, Peter S wrote:

    > "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535
    >>
    >> Delay, and more delay.

    >
    > Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or you
    > complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be consistent.


    Why can't a large corporation that specialises in purchasing and marketing
    software be able to get its products to market on time and in good
    condition?

    Can't it manage it's resources properly?


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea

    --
    "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
     
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 25, 2006
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    shannon Guest

    whoisthis wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea <> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:50:40 +1200, whoisthis wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <>,
    >>> Have A Nice Cup of Tea <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129
    >>>> TX1
    >>>> K0000535
    >>>>
    >>> Of course this is a win win for you, you can either complain about the
    >>> late release or complain about how they are releasing buggy software.

    >> There is no reason why a large software purchasing & marketing company
    >> that has been in business for decades cannot get it's products to market
    >> on time and at the requisite quality - unless it's had substantial
    >> internal problems such as, massive restructuring every few months.
    >>

    >
    > There are substantial reasons, unlike linux they have no one (apart from
    > Apple) to copy ideas from. Take into account the amount of code and all
    > the drivers and other issues they have to cope with as well as people
    > like you will to yell and scream if things are not perfect then yeah,
    > delays are inevitable.
    >
    > Hell just look at how often major building/works are delayed and by
    > comparison they are simple problems. AND various OSS projects have been
    > delayed too, though because they have zero need to announce things its
    > harder to tell how far behind they really are.


    Yup
    But most Linux projects say "its ready when its ready" or "this version
    is ready, and this is the next version which is not quite ready, so help
    us out by filing bug reports which we will keep on a public searchable
    web database, assign priorities to, and document the fixes."

    I like that, its being honest with your user community.
     
    shannon, Mar 25, 2006
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  11. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:27:48 +1200, whoisthis wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > "Peter S" <> wrote:
    >
    >> "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    >> news:p...
    >> > http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129T
    >> > X1K0000535
    >> >
    >> > Delay, and more delay.

    >>
    >> Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or you
    >> complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be consistent.

    >
    > Or at least complain about buggy OSS software that is released late too.


    IIRC, one Open Source software project recently went through massive soul
    searching over whether or not to slip its release date by a mere two weeks.

    How long is it now since Micro$oft first anounced a timeframe for
    releasing Longhorn/Shorthorn/Vista? And how many features have been
    dropped in that process? (not to mention testing staff!)


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea

    --
    "Vista - I wouldn't buy it with someone else's money. Then again What do I
    know, I've only been testing the dog for the last 2-3 yrs..."
     
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 25, 2006
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  12. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:09:43 +1200, shannon wrote:

    >> Hell just look at how often major building/works are delayed and by
    >> comparison they are simple problems. AND various OSS projects have been
    >> delayed too, though because they have zero need to announce things its
    >> harder to tell how far behind they really are.

    >
    > Yup
    > But most Linux projects say "its ready when its ready" or "this version
    > is ready, and this is the next version which is not quite ready, so help
    > us out by filing bug reports which we will keep on a public searchable
    > web database, assign priorities to, and document the fixes."
    >
    > I like that, its being honest with your user community.


    Agreed, and agreed.

    Of course there is nothing quite so morale boosting as senior management
    lying to the junior staff, and to the general public.


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea

    --
    "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
     
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 25, 2006
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    Steven H Guest

    Hello Have A Nice Cup of Tea,

    you really shouldnt open your mouth when you know nothing of how the software
    world works.

    ----------------
    Steven H

    the madGeek

    > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:50:40 +1200, whoisthis wrote:
    >
    >> In article <>,
    >> Have A Nice Cup of Tea <> wrote:
    >>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWR
    >>> SS02129TX1 K0000535
    >>>

    >> Of course this is a win win for you, you can either complain about
    >> the late release or complain about how they are releasing buggy
    >> software.
    >>

    > There is no reason why a large software purchasing & marketing company
    > that has been in business for decades cannot get it's products to
    > market on time and at the requisite quality - unless it's had
    > substantial internal problems such as, massive restructuring every few
    > months.
    >
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    >
     
    Steven H, Mar 25, 2006
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    Steven H Guest

    Hello Have A Nice Cup of Tea,

    > Can't it manage it's resources properly?


    fine, email the vista product manager and demand that he take you on to replace
    him as oviously you know better

    you wouldnt know how to manage a storm in a cup of tea - let alone the thousands
    of people working on vista.

    ----------------
    Steven H

    the madGeek

    > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:10:14 +1200, Peter S wrote:
    >
    >> "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    >> news:p...
    >>
    >>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWR
    >>> SS02129TX1K0000535
    >>>
    >>> Delay, and more delay.
    >>>

    >> Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or
    >> you complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be
    >> consistent.
    >>

    > Why can't a large corporation that specialises in purchasing and
    > marketing software be able to get its products to market on time and
    > in good condition?
    >
    > Can't it manage it's resources properly?
    >
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    >
     
    Steven H, Mar 25, 2006
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  15. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:27:03 +0000, Steven H wrote:

    >> Can't it manage it's resources properly?

    >
    > fine, email the vista product manager and demand that he take you on to
    > replace him as oviously you know better
    >
    > you wouldnt know how to manage a storm in a cup of tea - let alone the
    > thousands of people working on vista.


    Thank you for the personal attack.

    Why are you justifying such a huge failure ( estimated four years late if
    the current suggested release date actually is achieved) of a project that
    is only the next release of a pre-existing software product?

    If there are literally several thousands of professional(?) and highly
    paid software developers working on this new release, and if they've been
    working at it for more than six years now - on top of the pre-existing
    code base, then there really is no excuse for not delivering the goods.

    None whatsoever!


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea

    --
    "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
     
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 25, 2006
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  16. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:28:48 +1200, Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:

    > There is no reason why a large software purchasing & marketing company
    > that has been in business for decades cannot get it's products to market
    > on time and at the requisite quality - unless it's had substantial
    > internal problems such as, massive restructuring every few months.


    Like Sony with the Playstation 3?

    --
    Regards,

    Waylon Kenning.
     
    Waylon Kenning, Mar 25, 2006
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    Jennings Guest

    On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:14:01 +1200, Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:

    >
    >
    > If there are literally several thousands of professional(?) and highly
    > paid software developers working on this new release, and if they've been
    > working at it for more than six years now - on top of the pre-existing
    > code base, then there really is no excuse for not delivering the goods.
    >
    > None whatsoever!
    >
    >
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea



    Dont feed the troll ...


    J
     
    Jennings, Mar 25, 2006
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    RJ Guest

    In article <>, says...
    > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:27:03 +0000, Steven H wrote:
    >
    > >> Can't it manage it's resources properly?

    > >
    > > fine, email the vista product manager and demand that he take you on to
    > > replace him as oviously you know better
    > >
    > > you wouldnt know how to manage a storm in a cup of tea - let alone the
    > > thousands of people working on vista.

    >
    > Thank you for the personal attack.
    >
    > Why are you justifying such a huge failure ( estimated four years late if
    > the current suggested release date actually is achieved) of a project that
    > is only the next release of a pre-existing software product?
    >
    > If there are literally several thousands of professional(?) and highly
    > paid software developers working on this new release, and if they've been
    > working at it for more than six years now - on top of the pre-existing
    > code base, then there really is no excuse for not delivering the goods.
    >
    > None whatsoever!


    http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,88464,00.asp

    "Monday, March 11, 2002

    BANGALORE, INDIA -- A production version of the free GNU operating
    system is likely to be available by the end of this year, according to
    the president of the Boston-based Free Software Foundation (FSF).

    "We actually have the GNU kernel working, and we can now produce the GNU
    system, as opposed to the GNU/Linux system that people have been using
    so far," said Richard Stallman, who is in India this week to attend a
    GNU/Linux Day in Pune.
    [...]

    Now, in fact, it's four years later, and there have still not been any
    official releases of GNU Hurd. A project that has been under development
    since 1984.

    So, 20 years for a project to be developed is apparently acceptable in
    the FOSS community... given most of the GNU OS was ready to be used with
    Linux 15 years ago.
     
    RJ, Mar 26, 2006
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    Peter S Guest

    "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:10:14 +1200, Peter S wrote:
    >
    >> "Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <> wrote in message
    >> news:p...
    >>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1942090,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535
    >>>
    >>> Delay, and more delay.

    >>
    >> Yeah, you're a hypocrite. You complain about late release dates, or you
    >> complain about too many bugs. You should at the very minimum be
    >> consistent.

    >
    > Why can't a large corporation that specialises in purchasing and marketing
    > software be able to get its products to market on time and in good
    > condition?
    >
    > Can't it manage it's resources properly?
    >
    >
    > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    >
    > --
    > "The only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least
    > NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the **** up. It's been business as usual
    > with resets, lack of planning, disdain for project management techniques
    > used outside MS, and deathmarches throughout."
    >


    No, it can't manage its resources properly. (See here :
    http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html )
    However thats not unusual in large corporates. I feel the same way about it
    as you.

    But that isn't anything to do with bugs and release dates. You can't moan
    about too many bugs, and then moan when someone pushes back the release date
    to resolve those issues. You are still being inconsistent.

    Cheers,
    Pete.
     
    Peter S, Mar 26, 2006
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  20. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:09:02 +1200, Peter S wrote:

    > But that isn't anything to do with bugs and release dates. You can't moan
    > about too many bugs, and then moan when someone pushes back the release date
    > to resolve those issues. You are still being inconsistent.


    Not at all.

    Bugs are bad.

    Pushing back a release date multiple times because the project is
    massively behind time is bad.

    Pushing back a release date multiple times AND dumping core features is
    worse.

    After having pushed back a release date multiple times, as well as dumping
    what were to be core features, and THEN further pushing back the release
    date (effectively another six months from a USA marketing perspective) is
    very bad indeed.

    I look forward to new releases of Linux distros - they almost always have
    good improvements and are usually released every six months or a year,
    depending on the distro.


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea

    --
    Jeffrey Jaffe, Novell CTO: "What many people are discovering is that the
    Linux desktop works just fine."
     
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Mar 26, 2006
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