Looking for a digital camera with wide angle lens (equivalent of 28mm on a film camera)...

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Doghouse Riley, Aug 9, 2004.

  1. .... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)

    I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not having to go to
    that expense. Are there any other options??
    Doghouse Riley, Aug 9, 2004
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  2. Doghouse Riley

    Udie Lafing Guest

    In article <>,
    Doghouse Riley <> wrote:

    > ... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)
    >
    > I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not having to go
    > to
    > that expense. Are there any other options??


    You could actually hire a photographer :) to do the work
    instead of asking them to give you the answers(cheap skate) ;-)
    Udie Lafing, Aug 9, 2004
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    Bob Guest

    On 8 Aug 2004 20:38:15 -0500, Doghouse Riley <> wrote:

    >... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)
    >
    >I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not having to go to
    >that expense. Are there any other options??


    I had a cheapy little Olympus that was wide angle - it had a x3 zoom where the
    max zoom appeared to be 50mm!

    That's the problem with little digitals - they say zoom but never where... could
    be wide, could be tele...

    You should go to a big store and try as many as you can - look for yourself and
    take the one with the widest picture.

    Or maybe ask at that Digital Camera Review place...

    http://www.dpreview.com/
    Bob, Aug 9, 2004
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    Frank ess Guest

    Doghouse Riley wrote:
    > ... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)
    >
    > I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not
    > having to go to that expense. Are there any other options??


    5MP Nikon Coolpix 5000; add the wide convertor and it goes to 19mm
    equivalent.


    Frank ess
    Frank ess, Aug 9, 2004
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  5. Doghouse Riley

    Smarty Guest

    Nikon 5400 and new Canon S60 both have 28mm wide angle coverage


    "Doghouse Riley" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > ... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)
    >
    > I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not having to

    go to
    > that expense. Are there any other options??
    Smarty, Aug 9, 2004
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  6. Doghouse Riley

    zeitgeist Guest

    I have a Canon G2 which is about 28mm on the wide end. But my experience
    with interiors is that you need WIDE, as in as wide as you can get without
    fisheye effects. You can get many P&S types that will let you put an
    adapter that you take a quality hit, plus the cost you might as well invest
    in a dslr.

    > ... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)
    >
    > I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not having to

    go to
    > that expense. Are there any other options??
    zeitgeist, Aug 9, 2004
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  7. Doghouse Riley

    Mark M Guest

    "Doghouse Riley" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > ... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)
    >
    > I know this can be done with a digital SLR, but would prefer not having to

    go to
    > that expense. Are there any other options??


    28mm is NOT wide enough for a large percentage of interior shots.
    Also...If you want to create images for ads that really show off the size of
    the room...then the wider the better.

    If you change your mind about SOME additional expense, then I would
    recommend you consider spending about $1500. --This would get you the Canon
    Digital Rebel, and the excellent 17-40mm f4 L lens. This combination would
    be ideal for your needs in my opinion.
    It would also be worth purchasing the 420EX shoe-mounted flash. Built-in
    flash will simply not present interiors well.

    Bottom line:
    While it may be a slightly large outlay in the short term, the long term
    RESULTS of presenting high quality, appropriately wide angled shots that
    truly show off your properties will TRULY repay the cost many times.

    In the real estate shopping world, pictures are everything in terms of
    actually getting people to visit the property. Crummy pictures mean very
    short lists of visitors or potential buyers.
    Invest.
    You won't be sorry.

    Canon Digital Rebel: $799
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=297500&is=REG
    Canon 17-40 f4 L lens: $689
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=279582&is=USA
    Canon 420EX flash: $179
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=206436&is=USA

    Total cost (no flash): $1489.90
    With flash: 1669.85

    Mark M
    Mark M, Aug 9, 2004
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  8. Doghouse Riley

    YoYo Guest

    A cheap good working way would be the
    Canon A300 or A310 small 3.2mg camera
    with a very wide angle lens. Excellent
    for just web pages, and cheap too.

    "Doghouse Riley" <>
    wrote in message
    news:...
    > ... for shooting interiors (for real

    estate webpage)
    >
    > I know this can be done with a digital

    SLR, but would prefer not having to go
    to
    > that expense. Are there any other

    options??
    YoYo, Aug 9, 2004
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  9. Doghouse Riley

    YoYo Guest

    Mark your suggestion argues with itself!

    > 28mm is NOT wide enough for a large

    percentage of interior shots

    the Canon Digital Rebel with a 17-40mm
    f4 L is equal to a 28mm wide angle at
    17mm


    "Mark M"
    <
    > wrote in message

    news:6jERc.26443$Oi.14559@fed1read04...
    >
    > "Doghouse Riley"

    <> wrote in message
    >

    news:...
    > > ... for shooting interiors (for real

    estate webpage)
    > >
    > > I know this can be done with a

    digital SLR, but would prefer not having
    to
    > go to
    > > that expense. Are there any other

    options??
    >
    > 28mm is NOT wide enough for a large

    percentage of interior shots.
    > Also...If you want to create images

    for ads that really show off the size of
    > the room...then the wider the better.
    >
    > If you change your mind about SOME

    additional expense, then I would
    > recommend you consider spending about

    $1500. --This would get you the Canon
    > Digital Rebel, and the excellent

    17-40mm f4 L lens. This combination
    would
    > be ideal for your needs in my opinion.
    > It would also be worth purchasing the

    420EX shoe-mounted flash. Built-in
    > flash will simply not present

    interiors well.
    >
    > Bottom line:
    > While it may be a slightly large

    outlay in the short term, the long term
    > RESULTS of presenting high quality,

    appropriately wide angled shots that
    > truly show off your properties will

    TRULY repay the cost many times.
    >
    > In the real estate shopping world,

    pictures are everything in terms of
    > actually getting people to visit the

    property. Crummy pictures mean very
    > short lists of visitors or potential

    buyers.
    > Invest.
    > You won't be sorry.
    >
    > Canon Digital Rebel: $799
    >

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=297500&is=REG
    > Canon 17-40 f4 L lens: $689
    >

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=279582&is=USA
    > Canon 420EX flash: $179
    >

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=2
    06436&is=USA
    >
    > Total cost (no flash): $1489.90
    > With flash: 1669.85
    >
    > Mark M
    >
    >
    YoYo, Aug 9, 2004
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  10. "YoYo" < your.business.com> wrote in news:10hemhkno4q8l68
    @corp.supernews.com:

    > A cheap good working way would be the
    > Canon A300 or A310 small 3.2mg camera
    > with a very wide angle lens. Excellent
    > for just web pages, and cheap too.


    Those are 33 mm equivalent. Not so wide.

    No - for interiors for a real estate page you will need
    more than that. If you have time you could do some stitching,
    i.e. taking several picturs and combine them. Rather hard
    work for interiors though. Almost for free if you have the
    time. But time is money :)

    Now - real estate? Is that not very expensive in US? Would
    not a more expensive solution be well worth it?


    /Roland
    Roland Karlsson, Aug 9, 2004
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  11. Doghouse Riley

    Justin Thyme Guest

    "Mark M" <> wrote in message
    news:6jERc.26443$Oi.14559@fed1read04...
    >

    erm... first you say.....
    > 28mm is NOT wide enough for a large percentage of interior shots.

    then you suggest...
    > recommend you consider spending about $1500. --This would get you the

    Canon
    > Digital Rebel, and the excellent 17-40mm f4 L lens. This combination

    would
    > be ideal for your needs in my opinion.

    but the 17mm lens on the eos300d is equivalent to 27.2mm - very close to
    28mm.
    I'd suggest a far cheaper alternative would be a Nikon 5400 (28mm), one of
    the little ricoh's (28mm), or even get pretty much any small digital with a
    wide angle adapter - saw a generic .45x wide adapter the other day which
    would take most digitals out to about 15mm.
    Justin Thyme, Aug 9, 2004
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  12. "zeitgeist" <> writes:

    >I have a Canon G2 which is about 28mm on the wide end.


    No, the wide end is equivalent to 35 mm, not 28.

    Dave
    Dave Martindale, Aug 9, 2004
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  13. Doghouse Riley

    Mark M Guest

    "YoYo" < your.business.com> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mark your suggestion argues with itself!
    >
    > > 28mm is NOT wide enough for a large

    > percentage of interior shots
    >
    > the Canon Digital Rebel with a 17-40mm
    > f4 L is equal to a 28mm wide angle at
    > 17mm


    Oops.
    I was thinking in terms of a 28mm on a DSLR as not being wide enough.
    A 28mm lens on a DSLR is like trying to shoot interiors with a 45mm lens.
    I guess he's talking about a cheap point and shoot with an equivalent of
    28mm.
    Mark M, Aug 9, 2004
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    digiboy Guest

    Roland Karlsson <> wrote in message news:<Xns95408AE8C6D26klotjohan@130.133.1.4>...
    > "YoYo" < your.business.com> wrote in news:10hemhkno4q8l68
    > @corp.supernews.com:
    >
    > > A cheap good working way would be the
    > > Canon A300 or A310 small 3.2mg camera
    > > with a very wide angle lens. Excellent
    > > for just web pages, and cheap too.

    >
    > Those are 33 mm equivalent. Not so wide.
    >
    > No - for interiors for a real estate page you will need
    > more than that. If you have time you could do some stitching,
    > i.e. taking several picturs and combine them. Rather hard
    > work for interiors though. Almost for free if you have the
    > time. But time is money :)
    >
    > Now - real estate? Is that not very expensive in US? Would
    > not a more expensive solution be well worth it?
    >


    I agree with all this. You can get 28mm equiv on P+S cam, but they
    suffer distortion due to the optical 'stress' on the lens to get such
    a small size.

    Either buy a film SLR with 24mm or wider, or get a pro Nikon / Canon
    DSLR with a decent wideangle
    digiboy, Aug 10, 2004
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  15. digiboy wrote:
    []
    > I agree with all this. You can get 28mm equiv on P+S cam, but they
    > suffer distortion due to the optical 'stress' on the lens to get such
    > a small size.


    Have you looked at the Nikon Coolpix 5000 with its wide-angle 19mm
    adapter - it not nearly as bad as the cheaper wide-angle cameras.
    Programs such as Paint Shop Pro can easily correct a small amount of
    residual lens distortion.

    Cheers,
    David
    David J Taylor, Aug 10, 2004
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    Frank ess Guest

    David J Taylor wrote:
    > digiboy wrote:
    > []
    >> I agree with all this. You can get 28mm equiv on P+S cam, but they
    >> suffer distortion due to the optical 'stress' on the lens to get such
    >> a small size.

    >
    > Have you looked at the Nikon Coolpix 5000 with its wide-angle 19mm
    > adapter - it not nearly as bad as the cheaper wide-angle cameras.
    > Programs such as Paint Shop Pro can easily correct a small amount of
    > residual lens distortion.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > David


    This is a quick example of what the CP5000 and its wide adapter will
    give you:
    http://www.fototime.com/65CB82517402CA6/orig.jpg



    Frank ess
    Frank ess, Aug 10, 2004
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  17. Doghouse Riley

    per Guest

    Doghouse Riley <> wrote:
    >... for shooting interiors (for real estate webpage)


    A few suggestions:
    The compact mid size Canon S60 does 28-100 mm equivalent.
    The previous 5 MB prosumer camera, Minolta A1, (28-200 equivalent) is sold
    at attractive prices these days
    The new prosumer Olympus Camedia C-8080 Wide Zoom does 28-140 mm
    equivalent.
    /per
    per, Aug 10, 2004
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  18. Frank ess wrote:
    []
    > This is a quick example of what the CP5000 and its wide adapter will
    > give you:
    > http://www.fototime.com/65CB82517402CA6/orig.jpg


    Thanks, Frank, clearly a very wide-angle view. The netting is
    distracting, though!

    Cheers,
    David
    David J Taylor, Aug 10, 2004
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    Frank ess Guest

    David J Taylor wrote:
    > Frank ess wrote:
    > []
    >> This is a quick example of what the CP5000 and its wide adapter will
    >> give you:
    >> http://www.fototime.com/65CB82517402CA6/orig.jpg

    >
    > Thanks, Frank, clearly a very wide-angle view. The netting is
    > distracting, though!
    >


    Yes; I thought it would show the kind of dof and distortion you could
    expect.


    Here are three more that may play more into the real estate interiors
    milieu:
    from the center of a room about 12 by 16 feet; CP5000 with wide adapter
    (to ~19mm equivalent); program exposure; no adjustments whatsoever;
    reduced from 2560x in 10% stair-steps; saved at Photo Shop 30 quality.

    A more serious product would involve leveling the camera, locating it as
    far from the subject wall as possible, bracketing and Photo Shopping the
    blowouts, and all that kind of thing.

    Again, this is just quick work for demonstration of the wide-angleness
    of the CP5000 with wide adapter:
    http://www.fototime.com/228639E8DA4E614/orig.jpg
    http://www.fototime.com/C20A6B32E2DA51A/orig.jpg
    http://www.fototime.com/8D9CAA0CEEE431F/orig.jpg


    Frank ess
    Frank ess, Aug 10, 2004
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  20. Frank ess wrote:
    []
    > Here are three more that may play more into the real estate interiors
    > milieu:
    > from the center of a room about 12 by 16 feet; CP5000 with wide
    > adapter (to ~19mm equivalent); program exposure; no adjustments
    > whatsoever; reduced from 2560x in 10% stair-steps; saved at Photo
    > Shop 30 quality.
    >
    > A more serious product would involve leveling the camera, locating it
    > as far from the subject wall as possible, bracketing and Photo
    > Shopping the blowouts, and all that kind of thing.
    >
    > Again, this is just quick work for demonstration of the wide-angleness
    > of the CP5000 with wide adapter:
    > http://www.fototime.com/228639E8DA4E614/orig.jpg
    > http://www.fototime.com/C20A6B32E2DA51A/orig.jpg
    > http://www.fototime.com/8D9CAA0CEEE431F/orig.jpg


    Good demonstrations, as you say. A snip to correct the geometry.

    Thanks,
    David
    David J Taylor, Aug 10, 2004
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