Long time without programming

Discussion in 'MCAD' started by Kike, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. Kike

    Kike Guest

    I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without programming...
    what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start... Anyhelp will
    be great..

    Thanks.
    --
    "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
     
    Kike, Nov 7, 2005
    #1
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  2. Kike

    Blackmetal Guest

    What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass the
    exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find a job

    "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without programming...
    > what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start... Anyhelp
    > will
    > be great..
    >
    > Thanks.
    > --
    > "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
     
    Blackmetal, Nov 7, 2005
    #2
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  3. Kike

    EggHead Guest

    He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should be able
    to pass the MCAD exam.
    Egghead

    "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass the
    > exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find a
    > job
    >
    > "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    >>programming...
    >> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start... Anyhelp
    >> will
    >> be great..
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >> --
    >> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"

    >
    >
     
    EggHead, Nov 7, 2005
    #3
  4. I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only because he
    passed an exam.

    In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now with
    Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.

    I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get interviews
    even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me in this
    objective or i'm going through the wrong path?

    I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job experience so
    it's difficult to prove it...

    Thanks.

    Gustavo.

    "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should be able
    > to pass the MCAD exam.
    > Egghead
    >
    > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass the
    >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find a
    >> job
    >>
    >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    >>>programming...
    >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start... Anyhelp
    >>> will
    >>> be great..
    >>>
    >>> Thanks.
    >>> --
    >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    Gustavo Ringel, Nov 8, 2005
    #4
  5. Kike

    Sean Guest

    I got MCAD for the same reasons and just now starting to look for work so I
    don’t know if it will help or not.

    What fume’s me is this concept that actual work experience is always without
    question better then education. I did CADD drafting for 13 years and I
    learned more about CADD taking a few classes at a junior college then I ever
    learned or needed to know about CADD in the 13 years I did it.
    My job was well structured and in all honesty a trained monkey could do it.
    So everything I learned in those 13 years (industry specific or software
    specific) I learned by reading. Now I don’t know why reading on the clock at
    work is magically different then reading at home but to me the material is
    exactly the same.

    I feel this way about classes too, if it’s written down, I don’t need a
    teacher. I might need someone to ask specific questions to but that is what
    web forums are for.

    So that is my rant and that is why I personally feel MCAD is FAR more
    valuable then the industry gives it credit for. It covers more material then
    some developers will ever know in a life time unless they self teach
    themselves.



    "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:

    > I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only because he
    > passed an exam.
    >
    > In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now with
    > Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.
    >
    > I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get interviews
    > even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me in this
    > objective or i'm going through the wrong path?
    >
    > I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job experience so
    > it's difficult to prove it...
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Gustavo.
    >
    > "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    > > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should be able
    > > to pass the MCAD exam.
    > > Egghead
    > >
    > > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass the
    > >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find a
    > >> job
    > >>
    > >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    > >>>programming...
    > >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start... Anyhelp
    > >>> will
    > >>> be great..
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks.
    > >>> --
    > >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
     
    Sean, Nov 11, 2005
    #5
  6. Hi John I agree with you, but this isn't a perfect world...I hope you and I
    get something from this path. I saw in another discussion that you have
    practice questions. Can you shared them with me? Which material did you
    learn from?

    Thanks.

    Gustavo.


    "Sean" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I got MCAD for the same reasons and just now starting to look for work so I
    > don’t know if it will help or not.
    >
    > What fume’s me is this concept that actual work experience is always
    > without
    > question better then education. I did CADD drafting for 13 years and I
    > learned more about CADD taking a few classes at a junior college then I
    > ever
    > learned or needed to know about CADD in the 13 years I did it.
    > My job was well structured and in all honesty a trained monkey could do
    > it.
    > So everything I learned in those 13 years (industry specific or software
    > specific) I learned by reading. Now I don’t know why reading on the clock
    > at
    > work is magically different then reading at home but to me the material is
    > exactly the same.
    >
    > I feel this way about classes too, if it’s written down, I don’t need a
    > teacher. I might need someone to ask specific questions to but that is
    > what
    > web forums are for.
    >
    > So that is my rant and that is why I personally feel MCAD is FAR more
    > valuable then the industry gives it credit for. It covers more material
    > then
    > some developers will ever know in a life time unless they self teach
    > themselves.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    >
    >> I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only because
    >> he
    >> passed an exam.
    >>
    >> In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now with
    >> Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.
    >>
    >> I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get
    >> interviews
    >> even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me in
    >> this
    >> objective or i'm going through the wrong path?
    >>
    >> I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job experience
    >> so
    >> it's difficult to prove it...
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Gustavo.
    >>
    >> "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    >> > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should be
    >> > able
    >> > to pass the MCAD exam.
    >> > Egghead
    >> >
    >> > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    >> > news:...
    >> >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass
    >> >> the
    >> >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find
    >> >> a
    >> >> job
    >> >>
    >> >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    >> >>>programming...
    >> >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start...
    >> >>> Anyhelp
    >> >>> will
    >> >>> be great..
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Thanks.
    >> >>> --
    >> >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Gustavo Ringel, Nov 13, 2005
    #6
  7. Kike

    Sean Guest

    Just questions from the Exam Cram books and Microsoft assestment site

    such as this one.
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-7748074-8553430?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    almost required reading for the exams if nothing more then to have a good
    understanding of what topics are covered in some detail more then the website
    gives.

    The real exams are similar to the harder questions in these books. The
    questions do in fact, give you a good idea of what to expect in general terms.

    "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:

    > Hi John I agree with you, but this isn't a perfect world...I hope you and I
    > get something from this path. I saw in another discussion that you have
    > practice questions. Can you shared them with me? Which material did you
    > learn from?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Gustavo.
    >
    >
    > "Sean" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >I got MCAD for the same reasons and just now starting to look for work so I
    > > don’t know if it will help or not.
    > >
    > > What fume’s me is this concept that actual work experience is always
    > > without
    > > question better then education. I did CADD drafting for 13 years and I
    > > learned more about CADD taking a few classes at a junior college then I
    > > ever
    > > learned or needed to know about CADD in the 13 years I did it.
    > > My job was well structured and in all honesty a trained monkey could do
    > > it.
    > > So everything I learned in those 13 years (industry specific or software
    > > specific) I learned by reading. Now I don’t know why reading on the clock
    > > at
    > > work is magically different then reading at home but to me the material is
    > > exactly the same.
    > >
    > > I feel this way about classes too, if it’s written down, I don’t need a
    > > teacher. I might need someone to ask specific questions to but that is
    > > what
    > > web forums are for.
    > >
    > > So that is my rant and that is why I personally feel MCAD is FAR more
    > > valuable then the industry gives it credit for. It covers more material
    > > then
    > > some developers will ever know in a life time unless they self teach
    > > themselves.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only because
    > >> he
    > >> passed an exam.
    > >>
    > >> In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now with
    > >> Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.
    > >>
    > >> I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get
    > >> interviews
    > >> even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me in
    > >> this
    > >> objective or i'm going through the wrong path?
    > >>
    > >> I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job experience
    > >> so
    > >> it's difficult to prove it...
    > >>
    > >> Thanks.
    > >>
    > >> Gustavo.
    > >>
    > >> "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    > >> > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should be
    > >> > able
    > >> > to pass the MCAD exam.
    > >> > Egghead
    > >> >
    > >> > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    > >> > news:...
    > >> >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find
    > >> >> a
    > >> >> job
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    > >> >>>programming...
    > >> >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start...
    > >> >>> Anyhelp
    > >> >>> will
    > >> >>> be great..
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Thanks.
    > >> >>> --
    > >> >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    Sean, Nov 13, 2005
    #7
  8. Thanks. I hope you a good start in programming!

    "Sean" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Just questions from the Exam Cram books and Microsoft assestment site
    >
    > such as this one.
    > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-7748074-8553430?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
    >
    > almost required reading for the exams if nothing more then to have a good
    > understanding of what topics are covered in some detail more then the
    > website
    > gives.
    >
    > The real exams are similar to the harder questions in these books. The
    > questions do in fact, give you a good idea of what to expect in general
    > terms.
    >
    > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi John I agree with you, but this isn't a perfect world...I hope you and
    >> I
    >> get something from this path. I saw in another discussion that you have
    >> practice questions. Can you shared them with me? Which material did you
    >> learn from?
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Gustavo.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Sean" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> >I got MCAD for the same reasons and just now starting to look for work
    >> >so I
    >> > don’t know if it will help or not.
    >> >
    >> > What fume’s me is this concept that actual work experience is always
    >> > without
    >> > question better then education. I did CADD drafting for 13 years and I
    >> > learned more about CADD taking a few classes at a junior college then I
    >> > ever
    >> > learned or needed to know about CADD in the 13 years I did it.
    >> > My job was well structured and in all honesty a trained monkey could do
    >> > it.
    >> > So everything I learned in those 13 years (industry specific or
    >> > software
    >> > specific) I learned by reading. Now I don’t know why reading on the
    >> > clock
    >> > at
    >> > work is magically different then reading at home but to me the material
    >> > is
    >> > exactly the same.
    >> >
    >> > I feel this way about classes too, if it’s written down, I don’t need a
    >> > teacher. I might need someone to ask specific questions to but that is
    >> > what
    >> > web forums are for.
    >> >
    >> > So that is my rant and that is why I personally feel MCAD is FAR more
    >> > valuable then the industry gives it credit for. It covers more material
    >> > then
    >> > some developers will ever know in a life time unless they self teach
    >> > themselves.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only
    >> >> because
    >> >> he
    >> >> passed an exam.
    >> >>
    >> >> In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now
    >> >> with
    >> >> Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.
    >> >>
    >> >> I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get
    >> >> interviews
    >> >> even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me
    >> >> in
    >> >> this
    >> >> objective or i'm going through the wrong path?
    >> >>
    >> >> I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job
    >> >> experience
    >> >> so
    >> >> it's difficult to prove it...
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks.
    >> >>
    >> >> Gustavo.
    >> >>
    >> >> "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    >> >> > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should
    >> >> > be
    >> >> > able
    >> >> > to pass the MCAD exam.
    >> >> > Egghead
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    >> >> > news:...
    >> >> >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and
    >> >> >> pass
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to
    >> >> >> find
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> job
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    >> >> >>>programming...
    >> >> >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start...
    >> >> >>> Anyhelp
    >> >> >>> will
    >> >> >>> be great..
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> Thanks.
    >> >> >>> --
    >> >> >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Gustavo Ringel, Nov 13, 2005
    #8
  9. Kike

    Sean Guest

    I wanted to wait until I actually (if) got the job but basically I got a real
    good interview for a job which required a degree. However my recuiter decided
    to submit it and the employer was very pleased becuase of my certification
    and projects.



    "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:

    > Thanks. I hope you a good start in programming!
    >
    > "Sean" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Just questions from the Exam Cram books and Microsoft assestment site
    > >
    > > such as this one.
    > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-7748074-8553430?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
    > >
    > > almost required reading for the exams if nothing more then to have a good
    > > understanding of what topics are covered in some detail more then the
    > > website
    > > gives.
    > >
    > > The real exams are similar to the harder questions in these books. The
    > > questions do in fact, give you a good idea of what to expect in general
    > > terms.
    > >
    > > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Hi John I agree with you, but this isn't a perfect world...I hope you and
    > >> I
    > >> get something from this path. I saw in another discussion that you have
    > >> practice questions. Can you shared them with me? Which material did you
    > >> learn from?
    > >>
    > >> Thanks.
    > >>
    > >> Gustavo.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Sean" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> >I got MCAD for the same reasons and just now starting to look for work
    > >> >so I
    > >> > don’t know if it will help or not.
    > >> >
    > >> > What fume’s me is this concept that actual work experience is always
    > >> > without
    > >> > question better then education. I did CADD drafting for 13 years and I
    > >> > learned more about CADD taking a few classes at a junior college then I
    > >> > ever
    > >> > learned or needed to know about CADD in the 13 years I did it.
    > >> > My job was well structured and in all honesty a trained monkey could do
    > >> > it.
    > >> > So everything I learned in those 13 years (industry specific or
    > >> > software
    > >> > specific) I learned by reading. Now I don’t know why reading on the
    > >> > clock
    > >> > at
    > >> > work is magically different then reading at home but to me the material
    > >> > is
    > >> > exactly the same.
    > >> >
    > >> > I feel this way about classes too, if it’s written down, I don’t need a
    > >> > teacher. I might need someone to ask specific questions to but that is
    > >> > what
    > >> > web forums are for.
    > >> >
    > >> > So that is my rant and that is why I personally feel MCAD is FAR more
    > >> > valuable then the industry gives it credit for. It covers more material
    > >> > then
    > >> > some developers will ever know in a life time unless they self teach
    > >> > themselves.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only
    > >> >> because
    > >> >> he
    > >> >> passed an exam.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now
    > >> >> with
    > >> >> Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get
    > >> >> interviews
    > >> >> even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me
    > >> >> in
    > >> >> this
    > >> >> objective or i'm going through the wrong path?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job
    > >> >> experience
    > >> >> so
    > >> >> it's difficult to prove it...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Thanks.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Gustavo.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >> > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    > >> >> > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should
    > >> >> > be
    > >> >> > able
    > >> >> > to pass the MCAD exam.
    > >> >> > Egghead
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    > >> >> > news:...
    > >> >> >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and
    > >> >> >> pass
    > >> >> >> the
    > >> >> >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to
    > >> >> >> find
    > >> >> >> a
    > >> >> >> job
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:...
    > >> >> >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    > >> >> >>>programming...
    > >> >> >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start...
    > >> >> >>> Anyhelp
    > >> >> >>> will
    > >> >> >>> be great..
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>> Thanks.
    > >> >> >>> --
    > >> >> >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    Sean, Nov 20, 2005
    #9
  10. Kike

    bobbobbins Guest

    I totally agree with you Sean. It get's on my nerves that I can't even get
    an interview without on the job experience!

    "Sean" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I got MCAD for the same reasons and just now starting to look for work so I
    > don't know if it will help or not.
    >
    > What fume's me is this concept that actual work experience is always
    > without
    > question better then education. I did CADD drafting for 13 years and I
    > learned more about CADD taking a few classes at a junior college then I
    > ever
    > learned or needed to know about CADD in the 13 years I did it.
    > My job was well structured and in all honesty a trained monkey could do
    > it.
    > So everything I learned in those 13 years (industry specific or software
    > specific) I learned by reading. Now I don't know why reading on the clock
    > at
    > work is magically different then reading at home but to me the material is
    > exactly the same.
    >
    > I feel this way about classes too, if it's written down, I don't need a
    > teacher. I might need someone to ask specific questions to but that is
    > what
    > web forums are for.
    >
    > So that is my rant and that is why I personally feel MCAD is FAR more
    > valuable then the industry gives it credit for. It covers more material
    > then
    > some developers will ever know in a life time unless they self teach
    > themselves.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Gustavo Ringel" wrote:
    >
    >> I understand someone would not get a job, even an interview only because
    >> he
    >> passed an exam.
    >>
    >> In my case I worked two years with VB6 in the past, i'm working now with
    >> Magic (4GL language) and a litlle bit in C++Builder.
    >>
    >> I'm wanting to move on .NET and i want to have a wildcard to get
    >> interviews
    >> even if I have to start as a junior programmer. May the MCAD help me in
    >> this
    >> objective or i'm going through the wrong path?
    >>
    >> I have experience int .NET but it is personal jobs and no job experience
    >> so
    >> it's difficult to prove it...
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Gustavo.
    >>
    >> "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > He did not say he is not in s/w, may be he is in PM or R&D now :)
    >> > All you need are the MS press books, studying them, and you should be
    >> > able
    >> > to pass the MCAD exam.
    >> > Egghead
    >> >
    >> > "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    >> > news:...
    >> >> What it will happen, is maybe you will learn the technology and pass
    >> >> the
    >> >> exams, but if you don't have real experience, it will be hard to find
    >> >> a
    >> >> job
    >> >>
    >> >> "Kike" <(donotspam)> wrote in message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >>>I always wanted to do the MSCAD but its been 5 years without
    >> >>>programming...
    >> >>> what can i do? i really need a Certification, how can i start...
    >> >>> Anyhelp
    >> >>> will
    >> >>> be great..
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Thanks.
    >> >>> --
    >> >>> "Siempre lo que pasa es lo Mejor"
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    bobbobbins, Dec 7, 2005
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