LionsGate has screwed us AGAIN with "SAW II" Wrong Aspect Ratio!

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by Film Buff, Feb 8, 2006.

  1. Film Buff

    Film Buff Guest

    i Just priced "Saw II" DVD's for next Tuesday (19.95)
    And they SCREWED US again on aspect ratio like they did with "Lord of
    War"
    The Full Screen is 1.33: 1
    and the Widescreen is 1.78:1!!!!!!!!!!!
    WHY THE HELL ARE THEY MESSING WITH THE WIDESCREEN ASPECT RATIO?
    WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE????
    CAN'T THEY LEAVE FILMS INTACT??
    Just thought I would let everyone know
     
    Film Buff, Feb 8, 2006
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  2. Film Buff

    Biz Guest

    Wasnt SAW II shown at 1.85:1 theatrically? So a 16:9 DVD release is
    completely unacceptable to you? Seems very close to me, doubt you could
    even tell the difference, but I'm sure you'll point out you can.....

    "Film Buff" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > i Just priced "Saw II" DVD's for next Tuesday (19.95)
    > And they SCREWED US again on aspect ratio like they did with "Lord of
    > War"
    > The Full Screen is 1.33: 1
    > and the Widescreen is 1.78:1!!!!!!!!!!!
    > WHY THE HELL ARE THEY MESSING WITH THE WIDESCREEN ASPECT RATIO?
    > WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE????
    > CAN'T THEY LEAVE FILMS INTACT??
    > Just thought I would let everyone know
     
    Biz, Feb 9, 2006
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    Jeff Rife Guest

    Film Buff () wrote in alt.video.dvd:
    > i Just priced "Saw II" DVD's for next Tuesday (19.95)
    > And they SCREWED US again on aspect ratio like they did with "Lord of
    > War"
    > The Full Screen is 1.33: 1


    Well, that's pretty much what "full screen" means, doesn't it? Sure,
    it isn't right for the movie, it but does fill a standard TV screen.

    > and the Widescreen is 1.78:1!!!!!!!!!!!


    So, what's the problem? The movie was 1.85:1, so that the DVD is very
    slightly open-matte. The DVD will have a whole *nine* extra scan lines
    of picture at the top and bottom. You can see this on a computer, but
    almost no TV has that little overscan, so 99% of viewers won't ever
    see it.

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    Jeff Rife, Feb 9, 2006
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  4. "Biz" <> wrote in message
    news:d7yGf.4108$...
    > Wasnt SAW II shown at 1.85:1 theatrically? So a 16:9 DVD release is
    > completely unacceptable to you? Seems very close to me, doubt you could
    > even tell the difference, but I'm sure you'll point out you can.....


    I haven't seen Saw II, so you could be right. Saw 1 was 2.35:1, I think, so
    it seems a simple mistake.
    Nonetheless, I think the main point of his post was that Lion's Gate
    specialises in sodomising their customers and on that point I quite heartily
    agree (see the discussion on Lion's Gate's "Shadow of the Vampire," a few
    threads down (under the heading "Curse of and Son of the Pink Panther..."))
    Lion's Gate is already somewhat infamous for cropping 2.35:1 movies to 16:9
    (presumably on the theory that people are more likely to buy a 16:9 movie
    and, since plenty of movies are supposed to be 16:9, customers won't even
    know they're getting the wrong aspect-ratio)
     
    The Man With No Name, Feb 9, 2006
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  5. Film Buff

    Roy L. Fuchs Guest

    On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:32:01 -0600, Film Buff <> Gave
    us:

    >The Full Screen is 1.33: 1



    No shit, Sherlock! THEY ALL ARE!
     
    Roy L. Fuchs, Feb 9, 2006
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  6. Film Buff

    Jay G. Guest

    On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:32:41 +1100, The Man With No Name wrote:

    > "Biz" <> wrote in message
    > news:d7yGf.4108$...
    >> Wasnt SAW II shown at 1.85:1 theatrically? So a 16:9 DVD release is
    >> completely unacceptable to you? Seems very close to me, doubt you could
    >> even tell the difference, but I'm sure you'll point out you can.....

    >
    > I haven't seen Saw II, so you could be right. Saw 1 was 2.35:1, I think, so
    > it seems a simple mistake.


    Actually, SAW was 1.85:1, and was released on DVD as 1.78:1, yet nobody
    really noticed or made a fuss *then*.

    Studios have been doing this forever on DVD. This issue goes back to the
    beginning of the format. Most people, at least most of those who are aware
    that the issue even exists, think it's a slight enough change (usually an
    increase of 4% vertical information that's lost to overscan anyway) that
    it's not worth worrying about. You'll likely face far worse framing issues
    in an actual theater.

    > Lion's Gate is already somewhat infamous for cropping 2.35:1 movies to 16:9


    Not totally true. On a few of their DVDs where the image has been altered
    from 2.35:1 to 1.78:1, the 1.78:1 image is actually an open-matte transfer,
    and showing more image, rather than being cropped. These include the films
    Creep and Stage Beauty. On Lord of War, the altered 1.78:1 image is a
    combination of cropping and open-matte of the 2.35:1 image.

    > (presumably on the theory that people are more likely to buy a 16:9 movie
    > and, since plenty of movies are supposed to be 16:9, customers won't even
    > know they're getting the wrong aspect-ratio)


    It's a very odd move, basically they're creating fullscreen for widescreen
    TVs. They seem to be presuming that the majority of owners of 16:9 sets
    want their screens filled at all times, instead of being film fanatics who
    want the original image as seen in theaters.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G., Feb 9, 2006
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