LED light bulbs to cut energy bills by 75%

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Peter M, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. Peter  M

    Peter M Guest

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  2. Peter  M

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    , Jan 30, 2009
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  3. Peter  M

    oneofus Guest

    whoisthis wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >
    >> whoisthis wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Research and development should be funded by the companies
    >>>> that make
    >>>> a profit from such research. NOT by the long suffering
    >>>> taxpayer.
    >>> and yet patents held by government departments brings in tens
    >>> of
    >>> millions of dollars each year. Those held by companies can
    >>> shift their
    >>> profits to another country.

    >> Spoken like a true commie.
    >>
    >> Those profits are NOT yours!

    >
    > spoken like a true fool.
    > Samsung has about 100,000 employees world wide but has larger GDP than
    > New Zealand. If we had ONE company like that New Zealanders would be
    > among the wealthiest in the world. And no, its not the taxes which is
    > doing this, Finland for example has higher taxes, yet they make their
    > own fighter aircraft, warships, have higher education and living
    > standards, and they have the same population as NZ.


    Definitely even more stupid to suggest that Samsung has a Gross Domestic
    Product
    If we had Samsung we would have the worlds largest conglomerate by revenue.
    Which by the way has 263000 employees
    It would be nice to have the option but its like saying "If we were
    South Korea" or "If I had a bigger dick"
    oneofus, Jan 30, 2009
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  4. Peter  M

    Brian Dooley Guest

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:40:45 +1300, whoisthis <>
    wrote:

    snip---

    >Finland for example has higher taxes, yet they make their
    >own fighter aircraft,


    No they don't

    >warships,


    4 Patrol boats about the size of the RNZN IPVs

    >have higher education and living
    >standards,


    Debatable

    >and they have the same population as NZ.


    5.25 million
    --

    Brian Dooley

    Wellington New Zealand
    Brian Dooley, Jan 30, 2009
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  5. Peter  M

    oneofus Guest

    whoisthis wrote:
    > In article <glufg3$5u5$>,
    > oneofus <> wrote:
    >
    >> whoisthis wrote:
    >>> In article <>,
    >>> "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> whoisthis wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>> Research and development should be funded by the companies
    >>>>>> that make
    >>>>>> a profit from such research. NOT by the long suffering
    >>>>>> taxpayer.
    >>>>> and yet patents held by government departments brings in tens
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> millions of dollars each year. Those held by companies can
    >>>>> shift their
    >>>>> profits to another country.
    >>>> Spoken like a true commie.
    >>>>
    >>>> Those profits are NOT yours!
    >>> spoken like a true fool.
    >>> Samsung has about 100,000 employees world wide but has larger GDP than
    >>> New Zealand. If we had ONE company like that New Zealanders would be
    >>> among the wealthiest in the world. And no, its not the taxes which is
    >>> doing this, Finland for example has higher taxes, yet they make their
    >>> own fighter aircraft, warships, have higher education and living
    >>> standards, and they have the same population as NZ.

    >> Definitely even more stupid to suggest that Samsung has a Gross Domestic
    >> Product
    >> If we had Samsung we would have the worlds largest conglomerate by revenue.
    >> Which by the way has 263000 employees
    >> It would be nice to have the option but its like saying "If we were
    >> South Korea" or "If I had a bigger dick"

    >
    > Well south Korea can help you with your dick... well at least all the
    > spam I get indicates they can :)


    You can buy Samsung too
    http://eng.krx.co.kr/mki/stc/stc_d_001.jsp?isu_cd=A005935v
    oneofus, Jan 30, 2009
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  6. Peter  M

    Squiggle Guest

    whoisthis threw some characters down the intarwebs:
    >
    >
    > Libertarians are OK with monopolies who can charge what they like, after
    > all its their money. It is also OK with libertarians for monopolies to
    > charge one group more because there is no competition so they can
    > subsidize other business interests.
    > Equally, libertarians are happy with a few shareholders having the power
    > to dictate to smaller shareholders what the direction of the company
    > will be, how much the directors will be paid (Huge bonuses even when
    > they **** it up). It is perfectly OK for 4-5 people to have more voting
    > rights than the other 1000 share holders.
    >

    And why should they not, if they have invested hundreds of thousands of
    dollars in buying a large interest in that company should they not have
    more control over what is done with their money than Joe Bloggs that has
    $100 of shares in that company? If Joe Bloggs isn't happy he can sell
    his shares and invest in a company that is doing what he wants. And if
    he sells his shares at a low price just to be rid of them it drops the
    value of those shares still held by the larger investors. So its in
    everybodys interest that all moves are made in the best interest of
    company/shareholdrs. And don't forget that if the guy with 45% of the
    company votes to pay Director X $300,000 in bonuses he is paying 45% of
    that $300,000 ($135000) while Joe Bloggs with 1% of the company is only
    paying $3000 from his share of the company.
    Thats the way shareholding works, If you don't like the game, don't
    play. Unlike govt taxation that is an option you have available to you.

    > So long as you call it a business, it can be as nasty as it likes when
    > it has a monopoly and thats OK, and it has more than enough money to
    > kill off any competition. Its also OK for small groups to dictate to
    > large groups.
    >


    Name one monopoly in NZ that is not Govt owned/controlled.

    > On this basis it would be perfectly OK for businesses to charge people
    > differing amounts for the same job... based on their ability to pay, and
    >
    > this indeed does happen. For example a commercial building costs more
    >
    > per square meter to build than a residential building, even though there
    > are generally fewer services and internal walls.

    And those that are paying more for the same work have noone to blame but
    themselves, noone forced them to use XYZ ripoffs Ltd. , they can shop
    around, or they can hire their own staff to do the work and maybe even
    diversify into a new field.

    > So,
    > Monopolies are good, in fact thats proof of being good in business.
    > A few dictating to the majority is also good
    > Charging on the perceived ability to pay is good
    >
    > yet
    > Government is a monopoly
    > A few can not dictate, we all get the same vote
    > They charge based on the perceived ability to pay.
    >


    The Govt is a monopoly, you cannot chose not to do business with them,
    and nor can you go into competition with them. That is a fairly major
    difference.


    > The only difference between what we have now and what the libertarians
    > want is power, they see themselves at the top being able to dictate to
    > those below them, only they call it freedom, they use financial
    > compulsion to get what they want.

    It is freedom, if you have the choice of who you wish to do business with.

    > By making education unaffordable to
    > the poor the guarantee a cheap labour force, by making health care
    > unaffordable they can use that as a carrot "work for me for $1 an hour
    > and you will get basic health care". All this time you are free to say
    > no and starve.
    >

    Except you of course ignore the fact that employers don't want
    uneducated employees, they make too many fuckups, can't think for
    themselves and are unreliable. So in the end the businesses would end up
    paying those costs in having to educate themselves not to **** things
    up. Personally I prefer that the state provides basic education and
    health care and am quite happy to pay taxes for those. Sure there are a
    few jobs that require no skill, but most of those jobs are the sort of
    jobs that can be replaced by modern automation.


    > Libertarians cant get over the fact that we are all shareholders in our
    > country, and every 3 years or so we get to vote in broad terms what we
    > expect our government (board of directors) to do with our money, this in
    > effect, just like a company means not everyone gets what they want.
    >

    Except we don't have the option of selling shares in this company, or to
    be more precise, not buying more shares in it at whatever price it
    dictates we will pay.

    > For example, telecommunications is now an essential service, no business
    > can survive without it, as a shareholder in Telstra I voted on certain
    > things, the majority won, I have to live with the consequences of this.
    >

    Or you can sell your shares and invest in another telco, or another
    industry.

    > Equally well, we can look at the finance company collapses, the
    > shareholders of the company were the only ones with voting rights, the
    > investors whose money the company was using had no voting rights at all
    > and in the end they were the losers by hundreds of millions of dollars.
    >


    Amazing what happens when you combine greed and ignorance with the sheer
    stupidity of believing that what goes up doesn't come down. Housing (and
    most other) markets are cyclic, always has been, probably always will
    be. The only thing that changes is the length of the cycles and how high
    the peaks are.

    > Lets look at the apartment scandal in Auckland. Turns out that some
    > companies had the proviso that if they did not finish on time the
    > investors got their money back. And they did. The company recognized
    > that during the build (where the investors had paid all the costs) the
    > apartments had actually become MORE valuable than what they were
    > originally sold for, so they delayed finishing by a week, gave the money
    > back to people who thought it was their home that was being built and
    > then on sold the apartments at a greater profit, leaving the investors
    > with no home and no profit on their money.
    >

    I would've thought you'd read the fucking contract when you are dealing
    with serious amounts of cash. And then think about what it means. Or
    paid somebody to do the thinking for you.

    > In the libertarian world, there are no restraints and this behavior will
    > be common place.
    >
    > There is also no guarantee that you will get any return on your shares,
    > goldcorp being a good example.
    >

    The sharemarket is nothing more than institutionalised gambling. And
    the gambler doesn't have the cards in his hand unless he has paid to buy
    them . Like all gambles sometimes you lose. If you want a guaranteed
    return there are term deposits and govt bonds.

    > Yet, we invest in our country through taxes, we get education, health,
    > welfare, transport, law and order, armed forces.... we ALL get a return.
    >


    But we don't get a choice in how much we are willing to invest. Some get
    told that 39% of your next hours work will be invested whether you like
    it or not. Meanwhile, J Bloggs next door is being told, "oh, you have
    chosen to have kids, and you choose to work only 40hrs a week.. don't
    worry, we'll only make you invest 19%, and then we'll give most of that
    back as a WFF handout". And that WFF handout (dividend) is only paid out
    to some investors. You'd be right pissed off if a company you choose to
    invest in said this year we are only paying dividends to people who live
    in brick and tile houses with red letterboxes. Why should the Govt get
    any special leeway in that regard?
    >
    > Look at all the rip offs and scams that happen now, imagine what it will
    > be like with no restraint.

    There would also be no ability of established businesses to lobby (buy)
    govt to create regulations that are so expensive to comply with that
    nobody can afford to try to break into the market. Using endless RMA
    appeals to block the competition eg. the North Shore (Sunnybrae?)
    Pak'n'Save.

    There is an ideal point that balances the govt having enough power to
    protect the public from their own greed and stupidity while staying far
    enough out of the way to enable innovation and competition.

    > In the libertarian world the individual at
    > the bottom has no control, recourse or choice, in our world our
    > government can compete with big business financially and ensuring laws
    > keep the playing field as even as it can be.
    >

    No, the government does not compete with big business financially, it
    dictates to it. Apart from that you are right, in NZ the playing field
    is reasonably level, but slopes one way for a while, then the other way
    for a while when we change govts.
    Squiggle, Jan 31, 2009
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  7. Peter  M

    Gordon Guest

    On 2009-01-31, whoisthis <> wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >
    >> whoisthis wrote:
    >> > In article <>,
    >> > "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> whoisthis wrote:
    >> >>> In article <>,
    >> >>> "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>>> blah blah blah, abuse, blah blah blah...
    >> >>>>> Please go to a country, island, platform,boat that allows
    >> >>>>> you
    >> >>>>> to live
    >> >>>>> your life as you wish.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Get fucked you dictating communist pig! It's YOU thet needs
    >> >>>> to
    >> >>>> **** off. Cuba would be ideal for you.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>> This country, its people and its life style do
    >> >>>>> not suit you.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Wrong. It is communist arseholes like YOU that don't suit me
    >> >>>> or
    >> >>>> the welfare of this country.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> It's YOU that needs to piss off!
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Its interesting isnt it.
    >> >>
    >> >> No it's NOT!
    >> >>
    >> >> Get out of our country you filthy communist pig. Go live in
    >> >> Cuba.
    >> >> Suits your demented evil ideology better.
    >> >
    >> > wow, what a winning personality... yeah right.

    >>
    >> Personality has nothing to do with it. You are indeed a dictating
    >> communist pig.
    >>
    >> Govt interference in the market is always a disaster. It creates
    >> imbalances and distortions which result in negative results. That
    >> you cannot fathom that out is no surprise at all.
    >>
    >> ALL your assertions are no justification for you dictating to
    >> people. ALL your assertions are generalisations and are NOT the
    >> general rule.
    >>
    >> Just because you have govt dictating, or, libertarian freedom,
    >> does NOT mean everyone will behave ethically.
    >>
    >> But your beloved communism/socialism is a proven failure.
    >> Otherwise why don't we have the nirvana you are calling for?
    >>
    >> People are not perfect. You cannot regulate for them to be so. No
    >> matter how many hundreds of thousands of laws, rules,
    >> regulations, Police and Jackboots you put in place.
    >>
    >> But don't let the facts of 'reality' get in the way of your
    >> demented hate-filled anti-business anti-life anti-freedom
    >> power-tripping agenda.
    >>
    >> You have a real nasty chip on your shoulder and seek to destroy
    >> anything you see others have that is good.
    >>
    >> By the way, how many slum people have you invited to live in your
    >> home?
    >>
    >> You claim you help them but refuse to name them or explain
    >> *exactly* what you personally did to help them.
    >>
    >> You are a fake. A liar and a cheat. Definitely not to be trusted.

    >
    > You have claimed I am a liar and a cheat. Please prove it, after all you
    > have made a very specific accusations. I know you can't, and you know
    > you cant either.


    Bait taken then eh? ;-)

    >
    > I currently have a solo mum in one house, and my intellectually
    > handicapped son in the other, and we are working with Support Links to
    > get a flatmate for him ( they were also very helpful in finding him his
    > current job). I take time out to take my son to golf and golf lessons
    > each week. My partner has a professional ambulance officer renting hers
    > as it is in a very quiet area and she often sleeps days, and we are
    > considering buying another 1 or 2 for the rest of our kids to be able to
    > move into as they leave school and into work.
    >
    > lots of my friends who I met in these various organizations are in their
    > own businesses, yet they still contribute their time to the community. I
    > got into St John because my father was the chairman of its trust and the
    > person who was my best man at my wedding had been an officer for some
    > years, he did some 20 years with St John and now is a volunteer
    > firebrigade officer for about 12 years. These are the people I respect,
    > the people who build stronger communities and families.


    Gosh, yes life is not fair. Even the late CEO of MS knew that.

    Pity, one can take things like this to e-mail these days. Spam rules, okay.
    Uh
    Gordon, Feb 1, 2009
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  8. Peter  M

    Carnations Guest

    >> "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Govt interference in the market is always a disaster. It creates
    >>> imbalances and distortions which result in negative results.


    Can you explain, therefore, why the "Govt" of the most capitalist nation
    on the planet recently chose to deliberately interfere in their economy
    to the tune of 700 BILLIONS of USian dollars?

    Isn't that just a little wee bit excessive? Surely those fine capitalist
    enterprises should have been left alone to their devices without
    interference from a "Communist pig" like Dubbya Bush?


    --
    "Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"
    Carnations, Feb 1, 2009
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  9. On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:40:09 +0000 (UTC), Carnations
    <> wrote:

    >>> "I Love It!" <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Govt interference in the market is always a disaster. It creates
    >>>> imbalances and distortions which result in negative results.

    >
    >Can you explain, therefore, why the "Govt" of the most capitalist nation
    >on the planet recently chose to deliberately interfere in their economy
    >to the tune of 700 BILLIONS of USian dollars?
    >
    >Isn't that just a little wee bit excessive? Surely those fine capitalist
    >enterprises should have been left alone to their devices without
    >interference from a "Communist pig" like Dubbya Bush?


    Calling the USA capitalist is a misnomer of the highest order. They
    have a protected, regulated and subsidised economy, not a classic
    capitalist one. The latest massive bailouts are nothing more than
    continuing a long tradition on non-capitalist economic processes. The
    NZ economy is much closer to capitalism than the US one, as we are far
    more open to market forces.
    Stephen Worthington, Feb 1, 2009
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  10. Peter  M

    Mike Dee Guest

    Re: [OT] LED light bulbs to cut energy bills by 75%

    On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:40:09 +0000, Carnations wrote:

    [...]
    > Can you explain...


    I rather know how this drivel got leaked into nz.comp

    --
    dee
    Mike Dee, Feb 1, 2009
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  11. Peter  M

    oneofus Guest

    Re: [OT] LED light bulbs to cut energy bills by 75%

    Puddle wrote:
    > Mike Dee wrote:
    >> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:40:09 +0000, Carnations wrote:
    >>
    >> [...]
    >>> Can you explain...

    >>
    >> I rather know how this drivel got leaked into nz.comp
    >>

    >
    > Peter M can be thanked for that.
    >
    > Cross posting anything to nz.general is a bad idea, that group is full
    > of political fanatics/idiots that turn anything and everything into
    > political ramblings.


    How the **** do we get rid of them without killfiling all their posts to
    nz.comp ?
    oneofus, Feb 1, 2009
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  12. Peter  M

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Re: [OT] LED light bulbs to cut energy bills by 75%

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs oneofus wrote:
    > Puddle wrote:
    >> Mike Dee wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:40:09 +0000, Carnations wrote:
    >>>
    >>> [...]
    >>>> Can you explain...
    >>>
    >>> I rather know how this drivel got leaked into nz.comp
    >>>

    >>
    >> Peter M can be thanked for that.
    >>
    >> Cross posting anything to nz.general is a bad idea, that group is
    >> full of political fanatics/idiots that turn anything and everything
    >> into political ramblings.

    >
    > How the **** do we get rid of them without killfiling all their posts
    > to nz.comp ?


    Ask Roger ("Peter M" being his nom du jour) nicely to not crosspost? Oh,
    wait, I've tried that multiple times.....
    --
    Shaun.

    "Build a man a fire, and he`ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and
    he`ll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett, Jingo
    ~misfit~, Feb 2, 2009
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  13. Peter  M

    Mike Dee Guest

    Re: [OT] LED light bulbs to cut energy bills by 75%

    On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:08:38 +1300, Puddle wrote:

    > Mike Dee wrote:
    >> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:40:09 +0000, Carnations wrote:
    >>
    >> [...]
    >>> Can you explain...

    >>
    >> I rather know how this drivel got leaked into nz.comp
    >>
    >>

    > Peter M can be thanked for that.


    'splains everything, thanks.

    > Cross posting anything to nz.general is a bad idea, that group is full of
    > political fanatics/idiots that turn anything and everything into political
    > ramblings.


    Yup, quite agree. I filter out x-posts between nz.comp and nz.general. It
    was only after the x-post was dropped that I saw this thread's follow up
    posts begin.

    --
    dee
    Mike Dee, Feb 2, 2009
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  14. Peter  M

    Guest

    On Jan 30, 1:47 pm, whoisthis <> wrote:
    > In article <>,
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >  Allistar <> wrote:
    > > wrote:

    >
    > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:26:18 +1300, "geoff" <>
    > > > wrote:

    >
    > > >>Peter M wrote:

    >
    > >http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/29/led-light-bulbs-to-cut-energ...
    > > y-75

    >
    > > >>A pretty lame, generalised,  and inconcise article.

    >
    > > >>geoff

    >
    > > > It does demonstrate the value of research and development - which our
    > > > sub-prime minister decided was less important than boosting his net
    > > > earnings through a big tax cut.

    >
    > > Research and development should be funded by the companies that make a
    > > profit from such research. NOT by the long suffering taxpayer.

    >
    > and yet patents held by government departments brings in tens of
    > millions of dollars each year. Those held by companies can shift their
    > profits to another country.

    www.smartsecu.com
    led lights supplier from china
    , Feb 19, 2009
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  15. Peter  M

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs wrote:

    > www.smartsecu.com
    > led lights supplier from china


    Normally I'd just write that off as spam... Except that they have some
    really interesting products.

    Unfortunately all the 'LED bulbs' are Edison screw type and the voltage
    isn't mentioned. The LED growlights open up all sorts of possibilities, (and
    not just because I used to grow pot either.)

    I've always wished that I had a small Japanese garden / rockery with
    succulents growing in my lounge / entranceway and (pre-injury) used to dream
    of having one or more of those 'daylight tubes' fitted in the house I'd
    eventually build to achieve the effect without significant ongoing cost /
    energy waste. Now is seems that it would be quite possible to do with LED
    grow panels and a roof-mounted photo-voltaic array. Hell, there probably
    wouldn't be much in the way of battery storage required as the idea would be
    to have the light inside when it's light outside, with just gentle feature
    lighting in the evening. IOW my dream is now possible as an easilly
    retro-fitted option.

    <shrug> Shame I'm broke.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Build a man a fire, and he`ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and
    he`ll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett, Jingo.
    ~misfit~, Feb 19, 2009
    #15
  16. In article <gnkolj$rk4$>, "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >Somewhere on teh intarwebs wrote:
    >
    >> www.smartsecu.com
    >> led lights supplier from china

    >
    >Normally I'd just write that off as spam... Except that they have some
    >really interesting products.
    >
    >Unfortunately all the 'LED bulbs' are Edison screw type and the voltage
    >isn't mentioned. The LED growlights open up all sorts of possibilities, (and
    >not just because I used to grow pot either.)
    >
    >I've always wished that I had a small Japanese garden / rockery with
    >succulents growing in my lounge / entranceway and (pre-injury) used to dream
    >of having one or more of those 'daylight tubes' fitted in the house I'd
    >eventually build to achieve the effect without significant ongoing cost /
    >energy waste. Now is seems that it would be quite possible to do with LED
    >grow panels and a roof-mounted photo-voltaic array. Hell, there probably
    >wouldn't be much in the way of battery storage required as the idea would be
    >to have the light inside when it's light outside, with just gentle feature
    >lighting in the evening. IOW my dream is now possible as an easilly
    >retro-fitted option.
    >
    ><shrug> Shame I'm broke.


    I think affordable LED lights to replace our standar plug ins are not too
    far away. The ones I've seen were about $40, and obviously, no one is going
    to buy those, but they are close. :)
    Bruce Sinclair, Feb 23, 2009
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  17. Peter  M

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > In article <gnkolj$rk4$>, "~misfit~"
    > <> wrote:
    >> Somewhere on teh intarwebs wrote:
    >>
    >>> www.smartsecu.com
    >>> led lights supplier from china

    >>
    >> Normally I'd just write that off as spam... Except that they have
    >> some really interesting products.
    >>
    >> Unfortunately all the 'LED bulbs' are Edison screw type and the
    >> voltage isn't mentioned. The LED growlights open up all sorts of
    >> possibilities, (and not just because I used to grow pot either.)
    >>
    >> I've always wished that I had a small Japanese garden / rockery with
    >> succulents growing in my lounge / entranceway and (pre-injury) used
    >> to dream of having one or more of those 'daylight tubes' fitted in
    >> the house I'd eventually build to achieve the effect without
    >> significant ongoing cost / energy waste. Now is seems that it would
    >> be quite possible to do with LED grow panels and a roof-mounted
    >> photo-voltaic array. Hell, there probably wouldn't be much in the
    >> way of battery storage required as the idea would be to have the
    >> light inside when it's light outside, with just gentle feature
    >> lighting in the evening. IOW my dream is now possible as an easilly
    >> retro-fitted option.
    >>
    >> <shrug> Shame I'm broke.

    >
    > I think affordable LED lights to replace our standar plug ins are not
    > too
    > far away. The ones I've seen were about $40, and obviously, no one is
    > going
    > to buy those, but they are close. :)


    Wicked.

    You'd think local authorities / government would be throwing money at
    research / fabrication plants. Not just for home lighting but for street
    lighting etc. There'd be some serious savings made.

    I've been wanting to replace my car's brake lights and indicators with LED
    bulbs for a while now. LEDs, by virtue of their (much) faster response time
    are eminently suited to these types of warning lights. They're far more
    noticable. That has to equate to safer. I'm less likely to be rear ended or
    hit at an intersection with LED bulbs. Alas, they're still too expensive for
    me.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Build a man a fire, and he`ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and
    he`ll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett, Jingo.
    ~misfit~, Feb 23, 2009
    #17
  18. Peter  M

    bugalugs Guest

    ~misfit~ wrote:
    > Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    >> In article <gnkolj$rk4$>, "~misfit~"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> www.smartsecu.com
    >>>> led lights supplier from china
    >>> Normally I'd just write that off as spam... Except that they have
    >>> some really interesting products.
    >>>
    >>> Unfortunately all the 'LED bulbs' are Edison screw type and the
    >>> voltage isn't mentioned. The LED growlights open up all sorts of
    >>> possibilities, (and not just because I used to grow pot either.)
    >>>
    >>> I've always wished that I had a small Japanese garden / rockery with
    >>> succulents growing in my lounge / entranceway and (pre-injury) used
    >>> to dream of having one or more of those 'daylight tubes' fitted in
    >>> the house I'd eventually build to achieve the effect without
    >>> significant ongoing cost / energy waste. Now is seems that it would
    >>> be quite possible to do with LED grow panels and a roof-mounted
    >>> photo-voltaic array. Hell, there probably wouldn't be much in the
    >>> way of battery storage required as the idea would be to have the
    >>> light inside when it's light outside, with just gentle feature
    >>> lighting in the evening. IOW my dream is now possible as an easilly
    >>> retro-fitted option.
    >>>
    >>> <shrug> Shame I'm broke.

    >> I think affordable LED lights to replace our standar plug ins are not
    >> too
    >> far away. The ones I've seen were about $40, and obviously, no one is
    >> going
    >> to buy those, but they are close. :)

    >
    > Wicked.
    >
    > You'd think local authorities / government would be throwing money at
    > research / fabrication plants. Not just for home lighting but for street
    > lighting etc. There'd be some serious savings made.
    >
    > I've been wanting to replace my car's brake lights and indicators with LED
    > bulbs for a while now. LEDs, by virtue of their (much) faster response time
    > are eminently suited to these types of warning lights. They're far more
    > noticable. That has to equate to safer. I'm less likely to be rear ended or
    > hit at an intersection with LED bulbs. Alas, they're still too expensive for
    > me.


    I looked at LEDs to replace the festoon bulb in the dome light in the
    car. A couple of times now I've left one of the doors not properly shut
    and gone out to the garage a couple of days later to find the battery
    flat, the immobiliser set, and the alarm making feeble squawking noises.

    So far no joy. I haven't been able to find a LED which would fit the
    festoon fitting and, the dome light stays on and slowly dims after the
    door is shut. I understand that that dimming is controlled by reducing
    the voltage. I understand that to reduce the light output in a LED you
    reduce the current.

    I'm still looking, and waiting for technology.
    bugalugs, Feb 23, 2009
    #18
  19. Peter  M

    bugalugs Guest

    Bret wrote:
    > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:08:09 +1300, bugalugs wrote:
    >


    <snip>

    >> ~misfit~ wrote:

    Wicked.
    >>>
    >>> You'd think local authorities / government would be throwing money at
    >>> research / fabrication plants. Not just for home lighting but for street
    >>> lighting etc. There'd be some serious savings made.
    >>>
    >>> I've been wanting to replace my car's brake lights and indicators with LED
    >>> bulbs for a while now. LEDs, by virtue of their (much) faster response time
    >>> are eminently suited to these types of warning lights. They're far more
    >>> noticable. That has to equate to safer. I'm less likely to be rear ended or
    >>> hit at an intersection with LED bulbs. Alas, they're still too expensive for
    >>> me.

    >> I looked at LEDs to replace the festoon bulb in the dome light in the
    >> car. A couple of times now I've left one of the doors not properly shut
    >> and gone out to the garage a couple of days later to find the battery
    >> flat, the immobiliser set, and the alarm making feeble squawking noises.
    >>
    >> So far no joy. I haven't been able to find a LED which would fit the
    >> festoon fitting and, the dome light stays on and slowly dims after the
    >> door is shut. I understand that that dimming is controlled by reducing
    >> the voltage. I understand that to reduce the light output in a LED you
    >> reduce the current.
    >>
    >> I'm still looking, and waiting for technology.

    >
    > Like this?
    >
    > http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZD0484&CATID=24&form=CAT&SUBCATID=375


    Thanks. Looked at them a while ago but the salesdroid couldn't give me
    any info on current or voltage dimming so put the idea on hold. Just got
    to leave the door open once more and it'll be revived. :>)
    bugalugs, Feb 24, 2009
    #19
  20. In article <1fh2ibcq3ua5d$>, Bret <> wrote:
    >On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:08:09 +1300, bugalugs wrote:

    (snip)
    >>
    >> I looked at LEDs to replace the festoon bulb in the dome light in the
    >> car. A couple of times now I've left one of the doors not properly shut
    >> and gone out to the garage a couple of days later to find the battery
    >> flat, the immobiliser set, and the alarm making feeble squawking noises.
    >>
    >> So far no joy. I haven't been able to find a LED which would fit the
    >> festoon fitting and, the dome light stays on and slowly dims after the
    >> door is shut. I understand that that dimming is controlled by reducing
    >> the voltage. I understand that to reduce the light output in a LED you
    >> reduce the current.
    >>
    >> I'm still looking, and waiting for technology.

    >
    >Like this?
    >
    >http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZD0484&CATID=24&form=CAT&SUBCATID=3
    >75


    Thank you ... I thought I'd seen something like what he wanted ... but
    didn't want to get his hopes up :)
    Bruce Sinclair, Feb 24, 2009
    #20
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