Kicking SPAM up a notch

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Zac, May 18, 2004.

  1. Zac

    Zac Guest

    Hi everyone...

    I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for Congress sending me
    unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a subscriber to his mailing
    lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove myself from his mailing
    lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his campaign HQ, and even
    the person that owns the company that provides his domain name hosting (I'm
    not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged the headers from
    the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New Orleans) company
    provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they basically pushed
    me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and when I threatened to
    contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's violation of a state
    anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."

    I have since determined that the statute I referred to has a convenient
    loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer viable. What can
    I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that provide the domain
    name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their services from a
    "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that company is? I would
    like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

    Thank you for your advice.
     
    Zac, May 18, 2004
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  2. Zac

    Linda Guest

    Email his opponents.

    "Zac" <> wrote in message
    news:Ygnqc.578$l%...
    > Hi everyone...
    >
    > I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for

    Congress sending me
    > unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a

    subscriber to his mailing
    > lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove

    myself from his mailing
    > lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his

    campaign HQ, and even
    > the person that owns the company that provides his domain

    name hosting (I'm
    > not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged

    the headers from
    > the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New

    Orleans) company
    > provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they

    basically pushed
    > me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and

    when I threatened to
    > contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's

    violation of a state
    > anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
    >
    > I have since determined that the statute I referred to has

    a convenient
    > loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer

    viable. What can
    > I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that

    provide the domain
    > name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their

    services from a
    > "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that

    company is? I would
    > like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.
    >
    > Thank you for your advice.
    >
    >
     
    Linda, May 18, 2004
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  3. Zac

    Zac Guest

    "Linda" <somewhere.in.the@barossa> wrote in message
    news:7zoqc.45615$...
    > Email his opponents.
    >
    > "Zac" <> wrote in message
    > news:Ygnqc.578$l%...
    > > Hi everyone...
    > >
    > > I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for

    > Congress sending me
    > > unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a

    > subscriber to his mailing
    > > lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove

    > myself from his mailing
    > > lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his

    > campaign HQ, and even
    > > the person that owns the company that provides his domain

    > name hosting (I'm
    > > not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged

    > the headers from
    > > the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New

    > Orleans) company
    > > provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they

    > basically pushed
    > > me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and

    > when I threatened to
    > > contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's

    > violation of a state
    > > anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
    > >
    > > I have since determined that the statute I referred to has

    > a convenient
    > > loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer

    > viable. What can
    > > I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that

    > provide the domain
    > > name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their

    > services from a
    > > "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that

    > company is? I would
    > > like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.


    That was the first thing I did after being miffed by the guy's domain name
    provider. But nobody has answered the what I thought would be an easy
    question. Is there another level above the domain name host? Who provides
    his Internet services? I find it hard to believe that the "chain of
    command" ends at that level. That would make the chain (in my example,
    anyway) look something like:

    Customer (spammer)>Domain Name Provider ("do what you got to do")>end.
    Doesn't the Domain Name Provider have to purchase his services (for his
    server?) from someone? That's who I'm looking for.

    Thanks again.
     
    Zac, May 18, 2004
    #3
  4. Zac

    Cephus® Guest

    Zac said in a way to sound cool:
    > "Linda" <somewhere.in.the@barossa> wrote in message
    > news:7zoqc.45615$...
    >> Email his opponents.
    >>
    >> "Zac" <> wrote in message
    >> news:Ygnqc.578$l%...
    >>> Hi everyone...
    >>>
    >>> I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for

    >> Congress sending me
    >>> unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a

    >> subscriber to his mailing
    >>> lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove

    >> myself from his mailing
    >>> lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his

    >> campaign HQ, and even
    >>> the person that owns the company that provides his domain

    >> name hosting (I'm
    >>> not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged

    >> the headers from
    >>> the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New

    >> Orleans) company
    >>> provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they

    >> basically pushed
    >>> me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and

    >> when I threatened to
    >>> contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's

    >> violation of a state
    >>> anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
    >>>
    >>> I have since determined that the statute I referred to has

    >> a convenient
    >>> loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer

    >> viable. What can
    >>> I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that

    >> provide the domain
    >>> name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their

    >> services from a
    >>> "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that

    >> company is? I would
    >>> like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

    >
    > That was the first thing I did after being miffed by the guy's domain
    > name provider. But nobody has answered the what I thought would be
    > an easy question. Is there another level above the domain name host?
    > Who provides his Internet services? I find it hard to believe that
    > the "chain of command" ends at that level. That would make the chain
    > (in my example, anyway) look something like:
    >
    > Customer (spammer)>Domain Name Provider ("do what you got to do")>end.
    > Doesn't the Domain Name Provider have to purchase his services (for
    > his server?) from someone? That's who I'm looking for.
    >
    > Thanks again.


    well one thing you could do is if the email comes from the same exact email
    address, you can just create a filter that would maybe automatically delete
    it. Or you could just make the filter to delete every email that comes from
    that domain. The problem might be in the code on their site. Maybe what
    you did to take your name off, actually didn't take your name off. Find out
    about that as well.
    --
    ______________________
    ~Beau

    On Mount Saint Ada, on cold silent nights,
    you can hear C programmers debugging...

    Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very,
    very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing.
     
    Cephus®, May 18, 2004
    #4
  5. Zac

    Jerry G. Guest

    The next time you get his email do the following: Highlight the email header
    by using a single click on it, but do not open it. At the top of OE's frame,
    click on Message, and then Block Sender. That sender email will not get in
    to your Inbox anymore. This is providing he is using the same email address
    for each send.

    The only other way is to get a lawyer and take him to court under harassment
    charges. You can also start to complain to his ISP that he is Spamming. But
    some ISP's will ignore this if it is a big client. I just recently filed
    charges against a Fax Spammer, and won my case. It was expensive for the
    lawyer fees and court costs. But, I have my piece of mind now, even though
    I never recovered my costs and losses with this.

    --

    Jerry G.
    =====


    "Zac" <> wrote in message
    news:Ygnqc.578$l%...
    Hi everyone...

    I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for Congress sending me
    unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a subscriber to his mailing
    lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove myself from his mailing
    lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his campaign HQ, and even
    the person that owns the company that provides his domain name hosting (I'm
    not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged the headers from
    the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New Orleans) company
    provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they basically pushed
    me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and when I threatened to
    contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's violation of a state
    anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."

    I have since determined that the statute I referred to has a convenient
    loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer viable. What can
    I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that provide the domain
    name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their services from a
    "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that company is? I would
    like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

    Thank you for your advice.
     
    Jerry G., May 18, 2004
    #5
  6. Zac

    anthonyberet Guest

    Zac wrote:
    <snip>
    > Thank you for your advice.


    Just add the address to your blocklist
     
    anthonyberet, May 18, 2004
    #6
  7. Zac spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
    <UWnqc.813$l%>

    > I bet you're winded after that reply. Someone should do something about
    > the troll problem in here...


    Zac, if you think he's a troll, then why reply to him?

    NOI
     
    Thund3rstruck_n0i, May 19, 2004
    #7
  8. Zac

    Zac Guest

    "Cephus®" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Zac said in a way to sound cool:
    > > "Linda" <somewhere.in.the@barossa> wrote in message
    > > news:7zoqc.45615$...
    > >> Email his opponents.
    > >>
    > >> "Zac" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:Ygnqc.578$l%...
    > >>> Hi everyone...
    > >>>
    > >>> I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for
    > >> Congress sending me
    > >>> unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a
    > >> subscriber to his mailing
    > >>> lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove
    > >> myself from his mailing
    > >>> lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his
    > >> campaign HQ, and even
    > >>> the person that owns the company that provides his domain
    > >> name hosting (I'm
    > >>> not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged
    > >> the headers from
    > >>> the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New
    > >> Orleans) company
    > >>> provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they
    > >> basically pushed
    > >>> me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and
    > >> when I threatened to
    > >>> contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's
    > >> violation of a state
    > >>> anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
    > >>>
    > >>> I have since determined that the statute I referred to has
    > >> a convenient
    > >>> loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer
    > >> viable. What can
    > >>> I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that
    > >> provide the domain
    > >>> name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their
    > >> services from a
    > >>> "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that
    > >> company is? I would
    > >>> like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

    > >
    > > That was the first thing I did after being miffed by the guy's domain
    > > name provider. But nobody has answered the what I thought would be
    > > an easy question. Is there another level above the domain name host?
    > > Who provides his Internet services? I find it hard to believe that
    > > the "chain of command" ends at that level. That would make the chain
    > > (in my example, anyway) look something like:
    > >
    > > Customer (spammer)>Domain Name Provider ("do what you got to do")>end.
    > > Doesn't the Domain Name Provider have to purchase his services (for
    > > his server?) from someone? That's who I'm looking for.
    > >
    > > Thanks again.

    >
    > well one thing you could do is if the email comes from the same exact

    email
    > address, you can just create a filter that would maybe automatically

    delete
    > it. Or you could just make the filter to delete every email that comes

    from
    > that domain. The problem might be in the code on their site. Maybe what
    > you did to take your name off, actually didn't take your name off. Find

    out
    > about that as well.



    Yes, yes, I know that. And thank you all for the advice on the filters.
    This is not something that I'm really interested in filtering, though. The
    point was to try to escalate this issue to someone who could actually do
    something about the problem. This is not some faceless Czech spammer that
    uses computers from around the world to mask his identity. This is a
    scumball politician (maybe there's little difference?) that I would like
    held accountable.

    Thanks again for your suggestions.
     
    Zac, May 19, 2004
    #8
  9. Zac

    Zac Guest

    "Jerry G." <> wrote in message
    news:c8d8rq$co9$...
    > The next time you get his email do the following: Highlight the email

    header
    > by using a single click on it, but do not open it. At the top of OE's

    frame,
    > click on Message, and then Block Sender. That sender email will not get

    in
    > to your Inbox anymore. This is providing he is using the same email

    address
    > for each send.
    >
    > The only other way is to get a lawyer and take him to court under

    harassment
    > charges. You can also start to complain to his ISP that he is Spamming.

    But
    > some ISP's will ignore this if it is a big client. I just recently filed
    > charges against a Fax Spammer, and won my case. It was expensive for the
    > lawyer fees and court costs. But, I have my piece of mind now, even

    though
    > I never recovered my costs and losses with this.



    Well, I'm a law student, actually, and while this would be an interesting
    project to work on in my free time, I don't have any free time to spare.
    There are statutory remedies in addition to a "harassment claim," but our
    ass-backwards attorney general isn't too interested in stopping stuff like
    this. Oh well.
     
    Zac, May 19, 2004
    #9
  10. Zac

    Zac Guest

    "Thund3rstruck_n0i" <> wrote in message
    news:Brwqc.2253$...
    > Zac spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
    > <UWnqc.813$l%>
    >
    > > I bet you're winded after that reply. Someone should do something about
    > > the troll problem in here...

    >
    > Zac, if you think he's a troll, then why reply to him?
    >
    > NOI


    You're right. Shame on me; it won't happen again.
     
    Zac, May 19, 2004
    #10
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