Keeping Your Hotmail Account Clear of Spam

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Snoopy, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. Snoopy

    Snoopy Guest

    I don't have a hotmail account myself, but someone I know does and
    they may have inadvertantly blocked me.

    I had a little trawl through 'group.google' and found the following
    information on how hotmail can block spam, supplied by a supposedly
    knowledgable poster as at July 2002.

    quote:
    -------------
    Hotmail has a block list ability. You can enter the tld, I.e.,
    "netscape.net", and all email from that domain will be blocked. Beyond
    that, you can use a combination of whitelisting plus exclusive
    setting.
    With the spam block option set to exclusive, only "Safe List" and
    "Address Book" addresses will get through. With the deletion setting
    of the Junk folder set to "Immediate Deletion", all email hitting that
    folder is deleted without you ever seeing it.
    -------------
    unquote:


    Can some hotmail user confirm for me that this is still the current
    situation?
    TIA

    SNOOPY



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    Snoopy, Aug 24, 2003
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  2. Snoopy

    k y l e Guest

    "Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I don't have a hotmail account myself, but someone I know does and
    > they may have inadvertantly blocked me.
    >
    > I had a little trawl through 'group.google' and found the following
    > information on how hotmail can block spam, supplied by a supposedly
    > knowledgable poster as at July 2002.
    >
    > quote:
    > -------------
    > Hotmail has a block list ability. You can enter the tld, I.e.,
    > "netscape.net", and all email from that domain will be blocked. Beyond
    > that, you can use a combination of whitelisting plus exclusive
    > setting.
    > With the spam block option set to exclusive, only "Safe List" and
    > "Address Book" addresses will get through. With the deletion setting
    > of the Junk folder set to "Immediate Deletion", all email hitting that
    > folder is deleted without you ever seeing it.
    > -------------
    > unquote:
    >
    >
    > Can some hotmail user confirm for me that this is still the current
    > situation?
    > TIA
    >
    > SNOOPY
    >

    My Hotmail account is set to those exact settings i.e all junk mail is set
    to immediate deletion and if you're not on my 'safe list', you're for the
    high jump. I only use my hotmail not for communication to friends / clients,
    but for subscription to internet sites / boards etc, and to use MSN. I
    purposely use it as a 'spam-trapper' so it gobbles up most situations where
    i am likely to attract spam. Consequently, my isp account gets hardly any
    spam. It used to be nil, but now it's like one every few weeks. Nothing to
    get too upset about.

    What really annoys me is when people on Trade Me use a Hotmail account or
    such like for contact purposes, and you can't get through to them,
    presumably because of the anti-spam blocking features. Why don't they use
    the regular address their isp issues them? I had one immature person who
    never replied to me, they had a Hotmail account, then over a month later i
    received terrible obscene filthy negative feedback accusing me of never
    contacing them and that i had stolen their money :(( Turns out many other
    users had exactly the same experience as me - weeks and weeks of no
    response, followed by juvenile 4-lettered offensive feedback. Their Trade Me
    membership was subsequently suspended.
     
    k y l e, Aug 24, 2003
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  3. Snoopy

    Snoopy Guest

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:21:55 +1200, Kookaburra
    <> wrote:

    >
    >
    >Choose what to do with your junk mail:
    >
    >Delete junk mail immediately
    >Junk mail messages are deleted without ever being delivered to your
    >Junk Mail folder.
    >Deliver to Junk Mail folder and delete later
    >Junk mail messages are delivered to your Junk Mail folder so that you
    >can review them. Note: MSN empties the Junk Mail folder regularly to
    >keep the folder size small.
    >
    >


    So I take it that even if you don't tick the 'immediate delete' option
    for junk mail, then your junk mail will still be deleted? When MSN
    says they empty your junk mail 'regularly', what does that mean?

    And what does 'keeping your junk mail folder quite small' mean?

    SNOOPY



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    Snoopy, Aug 25, 2003
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  4. Snoopy

    Snoopy Guest

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:18:24 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:

    >
    >My Hotmail account is set to those exact settings i.e all junk mail is set
    >to immediate deletion and if you're not on my 'safe list', you're for the
    >high jump.
    >


    How do you put someone on a safe list? For example, if my address
    was:

    (Snoopy) <>

    Would you be able to put me on the 'white list' by just typing in
    "Snoopy" (without the quote marks)?

    SNOOPY



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    Snoopy, Aug 25, 2003
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  5. Snoopy

    k y l e Guest

    "Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:18:24 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >My Hotmail account is set to those exact settings i.e all junk mail is

    set
    > >to immediate deletion and if you're not on my 'safe list', you're for the
    > >high jump.
    > >

    >
    > How do you put someone on a safe list? For example, if my address
    > was:
    >
    > (Snoopy) <>
    >
    > Would you be able to put me on the 'white list' by just typing in
    > "Snoopy" (without the quote marks)?
    >

    You'd have to go to your safe list in Hotmail options and physically type
    the entire address i.e and add that address to
    your safe list. It doesn't just work by nickname, but you can alternatively
    just enter in a domain and it will safely retrieve any email from a
    particular domain as well.
     
    k y l e, Aug 25, 2003
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  6. Snoopy

    k y l e Guest

    "Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:21:55 +1200, Kookaburra
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >Choose what to do with your junk mail:
    > >
    > >Delete junk mail immediately
    > >Junk mail messages are deleted without ever being delivered to your
    > >Junk Mail folder.
    > >Deliver to Junk Mail folder and delete later
    > >Junk mail messages are delivered to your Junk Mail folder so that you
    > >can review them. Note: MSN empties the Junk Mail folder regularly to
    > >keep the folder size small.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > So I take it that even if you don't tick the 'immediate delete' option
    > for junk mail, then your junk mail will still be deleted?


    According to the note at the bottom of the "junk mail" folder in Hotmail, it
    says: Messages more than 7 days old will be automatically deleted from the
    Junk Mail folder. Review the messages in this folder from time to time to
    insure only mail you don't want in your Inbox is delivered here. Tell Junk
    Mail Filter which messages you'd prefer to have delivered to your Inbox by
    using the checkboxes, then clicking the 'This is not Junk Mail' button.


    When MSN
    > says they empty your junk mail 'regularly', what does that mean?


    7days, I guess. Works for me. Gives you a chance to visit it and see if
    you've missed any important emails that you were specifically expecting, yet
    99% of the time one can't be bothered, so it's a good little "just-in-case"
    backup process when most of the time you just want the thing emptied and not
    have to worry about it.

    >
    > And what does 'keeping your junk mail folder quite small' mean?
    >


    It means that you are only allocated a finite amount of storage space per
    Hotmail user. If you exceed this storage amount, no mails from ANYWHERE will
    be accepted into your Hotmail account; in effect, your account is suspended
    until you do something about deleting all your old and unwanted messages.
    This happened to me once, and it was because I was too loose with my spam
    buildup in the junkmail folder. So now I just set it to "enhanced" and
    "Deliver to Junk Mail folder and delete later". I was finding that "Default"
    was letting too much spam in (causing my account to exceed my allocated
    storage space and resulted in my account being temporarily suspended), so
    the middle setting is a fitting compromise. At the moment I'm sitting on 31%
    storage space used, so that's pretty cool. Manageable.
     
    k y l e, Aug 25, 2003
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  7. Snoopy wrote:
    > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:59:23 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:
    >
    >> "Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> And what does 'keeping your junk mail folder quite small' mean?
    >>>

    >>
    >> It means that you are only allocated a finite amount of storage
    >> space per Hotmail user.
    >>

    >
    > How much storage space does each user get?


    2Mb.

    > And if you send an e-mail to such an account, does it bounce? Or does
    > it just disappear into the ether?


    Bounce, with "Mailbox Full", or "Over quota"

    Cheers,
    Nicholas Sherlock
     
    Nicholas Sherlock, Aug 25, 2003
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  8. Snoopy

    Snoopy Guest

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:59:23 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:

    >"Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >
    >
    >>When MSN says they empty your junk mail 'regularly',
    >>what does that mean?

    >
    >7days
    >
    >>
    >> And what does 'keeping your junk mail folder quite small' mean?
    >>

    >
    >It means that you are only allocated a finite amount of storage space per
    >Hotmail user.
    >


    How much storage space does each user get?

    >
    >If you exceed this storage amount, no mails from ANYWHERE will
    >be accepted into your Hotmail account; in effect, your account is suspended
    >until you do something about deleting all your old and unwanted messages.
    >This happened to me once, and it was because I was too loose with my spam
    >buildup in the junkmail folder.
    >


    And if you send an e-mail to such an account, does it bounce? Or does
    it just disappear into the ether?

    >
    >So now I just set it to "enhanced" and
    >"Deliver to Junk Mail folder and delete later". I was finding that "Default"
    >was letting too much spam in (causing my account to exceed my allocated
    >storage space and resulted in my account being temporarily suspended), so
    >the middle setting is a fitting compromise. At the moment I'm sitting on 31%
    >storage space used, so that's pretty cool. Manageable.
    >


    What volume (in kB) of mail do you get, say, per week? Do you delete
    all your e-mail each time you check it? How often to you check it?

    Without the answers to those questions, the fact that you are
    "sitting on 31% storage space used" is not very useful.

    SNOOPY




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    Snoopy, Aug 25, 2003
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  9. Snoopy

    k y l e Guest

    "Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:59:23 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:
    >
    > >"Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >
    > >
    > >>When MSN says they empty your junk mail 'regularly',
    > >>what does that mean?

    > >
    > >7days
    > >
    > >>
    > >> And what does 'keeping your junk mail folder quite small' mean?
    > >>

    > >
    > >It means that you are only allocated a finite amount of storage space per
    > >Hotmail user.
    > >

    >
    > How much storage space does each user get?
    >


    I dunno, why does it matter? It's only Hotmail.


    > >
    > >If you exceed this storage amount, no mails from ANYWHERE will
    > >be accepted into your Hotmail account; in effect, your account is

    suspended
    > >until you do something about deleting all your old and unwanted messages.
    > >This happened to me once, and it was because I was too loose with my spam
    > >buildup in the junkmail folder.
    > >

    >
    > And if you send an e-mail to such an account, does it bounce? Or does
    > it just disappear into the ether?
    >
    > >


    Bounces I guess.

    > >So now I just set it to "enhanced" and
    > >"Deliver to Junk Mail folder and delete later". I was finding that

    "Default"
    > >was letting too much spam in (causing my account to exceed my allocated
    > >storage space and resulted in my account being temporarily suspended), so
    > >the middle setting is a fitting compromise. At the moment I'm sitting on

    31%
    > >storage space used, so that's pretty cool. Manageable.
    > >

    >
    > What volume (in kB) of mail do you get, say, per week?


    I don't know. Who cares? Like I said in my previous post, I only use my
    Hotmail for the purposes of MSN, and as an alias for signing up for
    web-related matters (such as message boards, band fansites or registration
    for programs such as AVG / My Corkboard etc).


    >Do you delete
    > all your e-mail each time you check it?


    No....it sounds a bit pedantic to constantly go through your Hotmail in that
    regard. That's the purpose of their junk mail filters - it takes away the
    work and pissing around going through all the mail.


    >How often to you check it?


    Well it automatically logs me in to my Hotmail each time I use MSN of
    course. Usually I have no new messages. I'll usually log into MSN a couple
    of times a day. Only occasionally do I get genuine emails from people I know
    via Hotmail, because that's not my purpose for having it. That's what your
    ihug / paradise / xtra / orcon account is for etc. So, to answer your
    question, I DON'T check it myself, MSN / Hotmail checks it for me, it's a
    self-managing program.

    >
    > Without the answers to those questions, the fact that you are
    > "sitting on 31% storage space used" is not very useful.


    Huh? Why does it matter? Who really cares? I just used it as a way of
    illustrating that the junkmail settings take care of themselves, allowing a
    manageable quota of junkmail and your own saved emails. If you had all
    spam-protection features in Hotmail turned off, you would quickly reach 100%
    in no time at all, as I found out. I am still unsure exactly why you are so
    curious and asking such strange questions. Why don't you just find out for
    yourself by experimenting with your own Hotmail settings and finding out
    what works best for you? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.
     
    k y l e, Aug 25, 2003
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  10. Snoopy

    Snoopy Guest

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:35:57 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:

    >"Snoopy" <te**yson@caverock.*et.*z.*is'n'> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:59:23 +1200, "k y l e" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>

    >>
    >> How much storage space does each user get?
    >>

    >
    >I dunno, why does it matter? It's only Hotmail.
    >
    >


    There are people, like those who don't own a computer, who use Hotmail
    as their only internet address.

    >
    >>
    >>What volume (in kB) of mail do you get, say, per week?

    >
    >I don't know. Who cares?
    >
    >


    By taking the mailbox space you have available and dividing that by
    the number of kilobytes of messages you receive per day you can
    calculate the number of days before you expect your mailbox to be
    clogged.


    >
    >>Do you delete
    >>all your e-mail each time you check it?

    >
    >No....it sounds a bit pedantic to constantly go through your Hotmail in that
    >regard. That's the purpose of their junk mail filters - it takes away the
    >work and pissing around going through all the mail.
    >


    Of course the calculation I outlined above depends on you deleting all
    your messages each time you use hotmail. If you don't do that then
    you have to adjust the figures accordingly.

    >>
    >>Without the answers to those questions, the fact that you are
    >>"sitting on 31% storage space used" is not very useful.

    >
    >Huh? Why does it matter? Who really cares?
    >


    People who use hotmail as their only internet address care. They need
    to know how often they should check their account before new messages
    are lost.

    >
    >I am still unsure exactly why you are so
    >curious and asking such strange questions. Why don't you just find out for
    >yourself by experimenting with your own Hotmail settings and finding out
    >what works best for you?
    >


    I don't have a hotmail account and never have had one. I am asking
    these questions to try and help someone who is possibly a little less
    computer savy than me.

    SNOOPY



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    Snoopy, Aug 26, 2003
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