KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows from booting

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Malcolm, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. Malcolm

    Malcolm Guest

    Malcolm, Feb 11, 2010
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  2. Malcolm

    Mike Dee Guest

    In article
    <>,
    Malcolm <> wrote:

    > Just a heads up in case it happens...
    > http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/security-patch-results-in-bsod-s
    > tops-windows-from-booting.ars


    Auto-updates turned on? Windows 7 users should be getting "Update for
    Microsoft Windows (KB71033)" any day now. Flagged as an "Important"
    update and perhaps, potentially even more annoying than a bsod...

    This new update will bring important changes to "Windows Activation
    Technologies" or WAT:

    "Microsoft will trigger forced downgrading to non-genuine status if they
    believe a Windows 7 system is potentially pirated based on their "phone
    home" checks that will occur at (for now) 90 day intervals during the
    entire life of Windows 7 on a given PC, even months or years after
    purchase...

    ....if the update is installed and the authentication system then (after
    connecting with the associated Microsoft authentication servers at any
    point) decides that your system is not genuine, the "downgrading" that
    occurs will not be reversible by uninstalling the update afterward.

    The WAT authentication system also includes various other features, such
    as the ability to automatically replace authentication/license related
    code on PCs if it decides that the official code has been tampered with
    (Microsoft rather euphemistically calls this procedure "self heal").

    I've mentioned that Windows 7 systems will be "downgraded" to
    "non-genuine" status if they're flagged as suspected pirates. What does
    this mean?

    Essentially, they'll behave the same way they would if they had failed
    to be authenticated and activated initially within the grace period
    after purchase.

    Downgraded systems will still function much as usual fundamentally, but
    there will be some very significant (and very annoying) changes if your
    system has been designated non-genuine.

    The background wallpaper will change to black. You can set it back to
    whatever you want, but once an hour or so it will reset again to black.

    Various "nag" notifications will appear at intervals to "remind" you
    that your system has been tagged as a likely pirate and offering you the
    opportunity to "come clean" -- becoming authorized and legitimate by
    buying a new Windows 7 license. Some of these nags will be windows that
    appear at boot or login time, others will appear frequently (perhaps
    every 20 minutes or so) as main screen windows and taskbar popup notices.

    Systems that are considered to be non-genuine also have only limited
    access to other Microsoft updates of any kind (e.g., access to high
    priority security updates, but not anything else, may be permitted).

    And of course, under the new WAT regime you run the risk of being
    downgraded into this position at any time during the life of your PC."

    For the full article, see:
    <http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000681.html>

    ------------------------------
    I don't know how true all of this is, but I guess it is possible that Ms
    would think that this is a great idea enough to implement it.

    --
    dee
     
    Mike Dee, Feb 12, 2010
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  3. Malcolm

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs Mike Dee wrote:
    > In article
    > <>,
    > Malcolm <> wrote:
    >
    >> Just a heads up in case it happens...
    >> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/security-patch-results-in-bsod-s
    >> tops-windows-from-booting.ars

    >
    > Auto-updates turned on? Windows 7 users should be getting "Update for
    > Microsoft Windows (KB71033)" any day now. Flagged as an "Important"
    > update and perhaps, potentially even more annoying than a bsod...

    [snip]
    > For the full article, see:
    > <http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000681.html>
    >
    > ------------------------------
    > I don't know how true all of this is, but I guess it is possible that
    > Ms would think that this is a great idea enough to implement it.


    I actually visited nz.comp with the express purpose of posting a link to
    that article. She seems to be legit, I'd take it seriously.
    --
    Cheers,
    Shaun.

    "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
    warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
    Nota bene: 'Return to' email is very rarely checked, if at all. It's spam
    city but is a req. of my NNTP providor.
     
    ~misfit~, Feb 12, 2010
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  4. Malcolm

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs Malcolm wrote:
    > Hi
    > Just a heads up in case it happens...
    > http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...esults-in-bsod-stops-windows-from-booting.ars


    Hi Malcolm. You have mail on your coyote gmail account. ;-)
    --
    Cheers,
    Shaun.

    "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
    warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
    Nota bene: 'Return to' email is very rarely checked, if at all. It's spam
    city but is a req. of my NNTP providor.
     
    ~misfit~, Feb 12, 2010
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  5. Malcolm

    Sweetpea Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows frombooting

    On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:29:00 +1100, Mike Dee wrote:

    > I've mentioned that Windows 7 systems will be "downgraded" to
    > "non-genuine" status if they're flagged as suspected pirates. What does
    > this mean?


    What that means, is that Microsoft is adding yet another crippleware "feature" onto your computer that
    does not benefit the owner of the computer.

    It means, you pay for the bandwidth to add that "feature", and the bandwidth for it to call home regularly.

    It means, nuisance, inconvenience, potential embarrassment, and an action taken by Microsoft to install
    software onto your computer that does not benefit you or make your computer operate more efficiently.

    And, you know what, the truly shameful thing is that people - even people who should know better - will
    simply bend over yet again and lube up for Micro$oft yet again, to solidly screw them yet again!


    --
    "Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"
     
    Sweetpea, Feb 12, 2010
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  6. Malcolm

    peterwn Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows frombooting

    On Feb 12, 11:10 pm, Sweetpea <> wrote:
    > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:29:00 +1100, Mike Dee wrote:
    > > I've mentioned that Windows 7 systems will be "downgraded" to
    > > "non-genuine" status if they're flagged as suspected pirates. What does
    > > this mean?

    >
    > What that means, is that Microsoft is adding yet another crippleware "feature" onto your computer that
    > does not benefit the owner of the computer.
    >
    > It means, you pay for the bandwidth to add that "feature", and the bandwidth for it to call home regularly.
    >
    > It means, nuisance, inconvenience, potential embarrassment, and an action taken by Microsoft to install
    > software onto your computer that does not benefit you or make your computer operate more efficiently.
    >
    > And, you know what, the truly shameful thing is that people - even people who should know better - will
    > simply bend over yet again and lube up for Micro$oft yet again, to solidly screw them yet again!
    >


    It is unlikely to affect corporates and institutions, only small
    users. The large users have the clout to demand that Microsoft does
    not subject users to this sort of surveillance and control, simply by
    theratening to move to open source. In any case state and integrated
    schools can load up computers as required for legitimate school use
    without any real licencing problems since it is covered by Microsoft's
    global licence.

    In the case of small users it is potentially a pain in the neck for
    them and those who maintain their computers. A failed motherboard may
    well force a user into purchasing a new Windows and Office to get up
    and running again. This is especially where the user no longer has
    rescue or distribution CD's and the product ID's. If the Microsoft /
    Education Ministry global licencing scheme falls over, compliance
    workloads on schools will increase and they will start seriously
    looking at open source solutions.

    In this regard the Albany Senior High School open source computer
    operation must be a big worry for Microsoft and I would not be at all
    surprised if it becomes a focus of Microsoft's lobbying and marketing
    attention aimed at board members, teachers, parents and pupils (eg MS
    virtuallly giving away copies of Windows and Office to the local
    community). This is because as long as that school keeps going the
    open source way, it provides a template and operatng experience base
    for other schools.
     
    peterwn, Feb 12, 2010
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  7. Malcolm

    Sweetpea Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows frombooting

    On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:30:57 -0800, peterwn wrote:

    > In this regard the Albany Senior High School open source computer
    > operation must be a big worry for Microsoft


    Agreed...


    > and I would not be at all
    > surprised if it becomes a focus of Microsoft's lobbying and marketing
    > attention aimed at board members, teachers, parents and pupils (eg MS
    > virtuallly giving away copies of Windows and Office to the local
    > community).


    agreed...


    > This is because as long as that school keeps going the open
    > source way, it provides a template and operatng experience base for
    > other schools.


    and agreed.


    --
    "Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"
     
    Sweetpea, Feb 12, 2010
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  8. Malcolm

    raycnz Guest

    "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
    news:hl32p3$7cg$-september.org...
    > Somewhere on teh intarwebs Malcolm wrote:
    >> Hi
    >> Just a heads up in case it happens...
    >> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...esults-in-bsod-stops-windows-from-booting.ars

    >
    > Hi Malcolm. You have mail on your coyote gmail account. ;-)
    > --
    > Cheers,
    > Shaun.
    >
    > "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
    > warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
    > Nota bene: 'Return to' email is very rarely checked, if at all. It's spam
    > city but is a req. of my NNTP providor.
    >

    Killed my ASUS laptop with windows vista home premium quite dead.

    Would not boot up after downloading the last two other vendor updates.

    had two load vista on repair setting to get it going again

    Really peeved off with MS once again
     
    raycnz, Feb 12, 2010
    #8
  9. Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Dimdows from booting

    In message <t8kdn.285863$1.easynews.com>, raycnz
    wrote:

    > Really peeved off with MS once again


    What you say != what you do.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Feb 12, 2010
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  10. Malcolm

    Sweetpea Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows frombooting

    On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:56:33 +1300, raycnz wrote:

    > "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
    > news:hl32p3$7cg$-september.org...
    >> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Malcolm wrote:
    >>> Hi
    >>> Just a heads up in case it happens...
    >>> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/security-patch-results-in-bsod-stops-windows-from-

    booting.ars
    >>
    >> Hi Malcolm. You have mail on your coyote gmail account. ;-) --
    >> Cheers,
    >> Shaun.
    >>
    >> "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and
    >> he's warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'. Nota
    >> bene: 'Return to' email is very rarely checked, if at all. It's spam
    >> city but is a req. of my NNTP providor.
    >>

    > Killed my ASUS laptop with windows vista home premium quite dead.
    >
    > Would not boot up after downloading the last two other vendor updates.
    >
    > had two load vista on repair setting to get it going again
    >
    > Really peeved off with MS once again


    Why do you continue to use Microsoft's software when you can be almost certain that this sort of
    fundamentally botched update will happen yet again and you will almost certainly be inconvenienced
    yet again?

    Why not migrate to using non-Microsoft solutions that will continue to enable you to meet your
    objectives?


    --
    "Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"
     
    Sweetpea, Feb 12, 2010
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  11. Malcolm

    RayC Guest

    "Sweetpea" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:56:33 +1300, raycnz wrote:
    >
    >> "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
    >> news:hl32p3$7cg$-september.org...
    >>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Malcolm wrote:
    >>>> Hi
    >>>> Just a heads up in case it happens...
    >>>> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/security-patch-results-in-bsod-stops-windows-from-

    > booting.ars
    >>>
    >>> Hi Malcolm. You have mail on your coyote gmail account. ;-) --
    >>> Cheers,
    >>> Shaun.
    >>>
    >>> "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and
    >>> he's warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'. Nota
    >>> bene: 'Return to' email is very rarely checked, if at all. It's spam
    >>> city but is a req. of my NNTP providor.
    >>>

    >> Killed my ASUS laptop with windows vista home premium quite dead.
    >>
    >> Would not boot up after downloading the last two other vendor updates.
    >>
    >> had two load vista on repair setting to get it going again
    >>
    >> Really peeved off with MS once again

    >
    > Why do you continue to use Microsoft's software when you can be almost
    > certain that this sort of
    > fundamentally botched update will happen yet again and you will almost
    > certainly be inconvenienced
    > yet again?
    >
    > Why not migrate to using non-Microsoft solutions that will continue to
    > enable you to meet your
    > objectives?
    >
    >
    > --
    > "Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"


    I would rather trust Steinlager than Double Brown would cover the reply.
     
    RayC, Feb 12, 2010
    #11
  12. Malcolm

    Sweetpea Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows frombooting

    On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:46:06 +1300, RayC wrote:

    > "Sweetpea" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:56:33 +1300, raycnz wrote:
    >>
    >>> "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:hl32p3$7cg$-september.org...
    >>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Malcolm wrote:
    >>>>> Hi
    >>>>> Just a heads up in case it happens...
    >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/security-patch-results-in-bsod-stops-windows-

    from-
    >> booting.ars
    >>>>
    >>>> Hi Malcolm. You have mail on your coyote gmail account. ;-) --
    >>>> Cheers,
    >>>> Shaun.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and
    >>>> he's warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'. Nota
    >>>> bene: 'Return to' email is very rarely checked, if at all. It's spam
    >>>> city but is a req. of my NNTP providor.
    >>>>
    >>> Killed my ASUS laptop with windows vista home premium quite dead.
    >>>
    >>> Would not boot up after downloading the last two other vendor
    >>> updates.
    >>>
    >>> had two load vista on repair setting to get it going again
    >>>
    >>> Really peeved off with MS once again

    >>
    >> Why do you continue to use Microsoft's software when you can be almost
    >> certain that this sort of
    >> fundamentally botched update will happen yet again and you will almost
    >> certainly be inconvenienced
    >> yet again?
    >>
    >> Why not migrate to using non-Microsoft solutions that will continue to
    >> enable you to meet your
    >> objectives?

    >
    > I would rather trust Steinlager than Double Brown would cover the reply.


    Is that a similar statement to you'd rather trust the Mongrel Mob than trust the police?


    --
    "Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean"
     
    Sweetpea, Feb 13, 2010
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  13. Malcolm

    peterwn Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows frombooting

    On Feb 13, 11:51 am, "impossible" <> wrote:
    > "peterwn" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Feb 12, 11:10 pm, Sweetpea <> wrote:
    > >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:29:00 +1100, Mike Dee wrote:
    > >> > I've mentioned that Windows 7 systems will be "downgraded" to
    > >> > "non-genuine" status if they're flagged as suspected pirates. What does
    > >> > this mean?

    >
    > >> What that means, is that Microsoft is adding yet another crippleware
    > >> "feature" onto your computer that
    > >> does not benefit the owner of the computer.

    >
    > >> It means, you pay for the bandwidth to add that "feature", and the
    > >> bandwidth for it to call home regularly.

    >
    > >> It means, nuisance, inconvenience, potential embarrassment, and an action
    > >> taken by Microsoft to install
    > >> software onto your computer that does not benefit you or make your
    > >> computer operate more efficiently.

    >
    > >> And, you know what, the truly shameful thing is that people - even people
    > >> who should know better - will
    > >> simply bend over yet again and lube up for Micro$oft yet again, to
    > >> solidly screw them yet again!

    >
    > > It is unlikely to affect corporates and institutions, only small
    > > users.  The large users have the clout to demand that Microsoft does
    > > not subject users to this sort of surveillance and control, simply by
    > > theratening to move to open source.  In any case state and integrated
    > > schools can load up computers as required for legitimate school use
    > > without any real licencing problems since it is covered by Microsoft's
    > > global licence.

    >
    > > In the case of small users it is potentially a pain in the neck for
    > > them and those who maintain their computers.  A failed motherboard may
    > > well force a user into purchasing a new Windows and Office to get up
    > > and running again.  This is especially where the user no longer has
    > > rescue or distribution CD's and the product ID's.  If the Microsoft /
    > > Education Ministry global licencing scheme falls over, compliance
    > > workloads on schools will increase and they will start seriously
    > > looking at open source solutions.

    >
    > > In this regard the Albany Senior High School open source computer
    > > operation must be a big worry for Microsoft and I would not be at all
    > > surprised if it becomes a focus of Microsoft's lobbying and marketing
    > > attention aimed at board members, teachers, parents and pupils (eg MS
    > > virtuallly giving away copies of Windows and Office to the local
    > > community).  This is because as long as that school keeps going the
    > > open source way, it provides a template and operatng experience base
    > > for other schools.

    >
    > FUD, FUD, and more FUD. How pathetic!
    >
    > If you're a pirate, beware. But if you own a license, you have nothing
    > whatsoever to worry about.


    Until one day, when you have deadlines pouring out of your years and
    your computer freezes up because of a bug at Microsoft's end. Do not
    believe it could not happen? - then consider Murphy's law.
     
    peterwn, Feb 13, 2010
    #13
  14. Malcolm

    Mike Dee Guest

    Re: KB977165 Security patch results in BSOD, stops Windows from booting

    peterwn wrote:

    > On Feb 13, 11:51 am, "impossible" <> wrote:

    [...]
    >>
    >> FUD, FUD, and more FUD. How pathetic!
    >>
    >> If you're a pirate, beware. But if you own a license, you have nothing
    >> whatsoever to worry about.

    >
    > Until one day, when you have deadlines pouring out of your years and
    > your computer freezes up because of a bug at Microsoft's end. Do not
    > believe it could not happen? - then consider Murphy's law.


    And perhaps someone who has a pirated copy that has generated a license
    code identical to the one "impossible" uses - which locks him out?
    Improbable? maybe, unlikely?, maybe, Impossible? no.

    Could he sort it out? Likely. But the inconvenience? Most assured.

    --
    dee
     
    Mike Dee, Feb 13, 2010
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