Junk mail adaptive filter transferability

Discussion in 'Firefox' started by Jowah, Nov 29, 2004.

  1. Jowah

    Jowah Guest

    Hey everybody,

    I just had an idea but I am not sure if it will work. I want to install
    thunderbird on my wife's workstation because it does such a wonderful
    job of filtering out spam. She doesnt have the patience to train the
    filtering software, so I was wondering, is there a file on my system
    that I can copy into her directory that will update the filter on her
    instance of TB to work as well as mine does? Thanks in advance.

    Jowah
     
    Jowah, Nov 29, 2004
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  2. Jowah wrote:
    > Hey everybody,
    >
    > I just had an idea but I am not sure if it will work. I want to install
    > thunderbird on my wife's workstation because it does such a wonderful
    > job of filtering out spam. She doesnt have the patience to train the
    > filtering software, so I was wondering, is there a file on my system
    > that I can copy into her directory that will update the filter on her
    > instance of TB to work as well as mine does? Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Jowah


    Look in your profile for training.dat. Copy that from your profile to
    your wife's.

    Lee
     
    Leonidas Jones, Nov 29, 2004
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  3. On 2004-11-29, Jowah <> wrote:

    > I just had an idea but I am not sure if it will work. I want to install
    > thunderbird on my wife's workstation because it does such a wonderful
    > job of filtering out spam. She doesnt have the patience to train the
    > filtering software, so I was wondering, is there a file on my system
    > that I can copy into her directory that will update the filter on her
    > instance of TB to work as well as mine does? Thanks in advance.


    "training.dat" is the file you want, but be aware that one of the great advantages
    of the adaptive filter is that it learns to recognize what *YOU* feel to be Junk
    mail, which may not be the same as what somebody else feels is Junk mail. By using
    someone else's training.dat you give up some of this advantage.

    --

    -John ()
     
    John Thompson, Nov 30, 2004
    #3
  4. Jowah

    :: BRIAN :: Guest

    (On 11/29/2004 7:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    > On 2004-11-29, Jowah <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I just had an idea but I am not sure if it will work. I want to install
    >> thunderbird on my wife's workstation because it does such a wonderful
    >>job of filtering out spam. She doesnt have the patience to train the
    >>filtering software, so I was wondering, is there a file on my system
    >>that I can copy into her directory that will update the filter on her
    >>instance of TB to work as well as mine does? Thanks in advance.

    >
    >
    > "training.dat" is the file you want, but be aware that one of the great advantages
    > of the adaptive filter is that it learns to recognize what *YOU* feel to be Junk
    > mail, which may not be the same as what somebody else feels is Junk mail. By using
    > someone else's training.dat you give up some of this advantage.
    >


    You mean some people actually like reading email messages about how to
    make their penis large and satisfy her, but are surfing for hot teens or
    MILFs alone at home with their webcams instead, but found a nice girl
    who benefited from the "green card lottery" and got one of those "50,000
    VISAS TO THE USA! Get it now." visas, and now "needs a master", and just
    in time because the "36 hours of freedom." has hit and "the best moments
    in their life happen suddenly" even when surfing porn anonymously with
    that "do you want to meet a girl" girl they met, and are wiping their
    tracks clean on that copy of Windows XP Pro they bought for $9, which
    they could have afforded to pay full price for anyway had they invested
    in that micro-cap stock because "we all want stocks that perform", but
    they didn't bother earning "that salary you know you deserve", and so
    now they are just trying to earn a buck to help their brother who is in
    pain and enjoy vicodin (err... I mean V'I_C,O:D+I:N) but all this
    doesn't really matter because they verified their information for the
    application that was processed and approved and are eligible for
    $400,000 with a rate of 2.1% to buy a nice house somewhere or spend at
    that website "your friend recommended you" to download "Un limited Music
    and MP 3 songs" and then listen on your iPOD you got from that "no shit
    this really works, look at my picture with it" website?

    Those email messages? ;-)

    --
    Brian

    Email Info -
    http://68.1.17.8/p0nykiller/email.htm
     
    :: BRIAN ::, Nov 30, 2004
    #4
  5. :: BRIAN :: wrote:
    > (On 11/29/2004 7:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    >
    >> On 2004-11-29, Jowah <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> I just had an idea but I am not sure if it will work. I want to
    >>> install thunderbird on my wife's workstation because it does such a
    >>> wonderful job of filtering out spam. She doesnt have the patience to
    >>> train the filtering software, so I was wondering, is there a file on
    >>> my system that I can copy into her directory that will update the
    >>> filter on her instance of TB to work as well as mine does? Thanks in
    >>> advance.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "training.dat" is the file you want, but be aware that one of the
    >> great advantages of the adaptive filter is that it learns to recognize
    >> what *YOU* feel to be Junk mail, which may not be the same as what
    >> somebody else feels is Junk mail. By using someone else's training.dat
    >> you give up some of this advantage.
    >>

    >
    > You mean some people actually like reading email messages about how to
    > make their penis large and satisfy her, but are surfing for hot teens or
    > MILFs alone at home with their webcams instead, but found a nice girl
    > who benefited from the "green card lottery" and got one of those "50,000
    > VISAS TO THE USA! Get it now." visas, and now "needs a master", and just
    > in time because the "36 hours of freedom." has hit and "the best moments
    > in their life happen suddenly" even when surfing porn anonymously with
    > that "do you want to meet a girl" girl they met, and are wiping their
    > tracks clean on that copy of Windows XP Pro they bought for $9, which
    > they could have afforded to pay full price for anyway had they invested
    > in that micro-cap stock because "we all want stocks that perform", but
    > they didn't bother earning "that salary you know you deserve", and so
    > now they are just trying to earn a buck to help their brother who is in
    > pain and enjoy vicodin (err... I mean V'I_C,O:D+I:N) but all this
    > doesn't really matter because they verified their information for the
    > application that was processed and approved and are eligible for
    > $400,000 with a rate of 2.1% to buy a nice house somewhere or spend at
    > that website "your friend recommended you" to download "Un limited Music
    > and MP 3 songs" and then listen on your iPOD you got from that "no shit
    > this really works, look at my picture with it" website?
    >
    > Those email messages? ;-)
    >


    Darn it Brian, you hacked into my Inbox again, didn't you? ;)

    Lee
     
    Leonidas Jones, Nov 30, 2004
    #5
  6. Jowah

    Jowah Guest

    Leonidas Jones wrote:
    > :: BRIAN :: wrote:
    >
    >> (On 11/29/2004 7:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2004-11-29, Jowah <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> I just had an idea but I am not sure if it will work. I want to
    >>>> install thunderbird on my wife's workstation because it does such a
    >>>> wonderful job of filtering out spam. She doesnt have the patience
    >>>> to train the filtering software, so I was wondering, is there a file
    >>>> on my system that I can copy into her directory that will update the
    >>>> filter on her instance of TB to work as well as mine does? Thanks
    >>>> in advance.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "training.dat" is the file you want, but be aware that one of the
    >>> great advantages of the adaptive filter is that it learns to
    >>> recognize what *YOU* feel to be Junk mail, which may not be the same
    >>> as what somebody else feels is Junk mail. By using someone else's
    >>> training.dat you give up some of this advantage.
    >>>

    >>
    >> You mean some people actually like reading email messages about how to
    >> make their penis large and satisfy her, but are surfing for hot teens
    >> or MILFs alone at home with their webcams instead, but found a nice
    >> girl who benefited from the "green card lottery" and got one of those
    >> "50,000 VISAS TO THE USA! Get it now." visas, and now "needs a
    >> master", and just in time because the "36 hours of freedom." has hit
    >> and "the best moments in their life happen suddenly" even when surfing
    >> porn anonymously with that "do you want to meet a girl" girl they met,
    >> and are wiping their tracks clean on that copy of Windows XP Pro they
    >> bought for $9, which they could have afforded to pay full price for
    >> anyway had they invested in that micro-cap stock because "we all want
    >> stocks that perform", but they didn't bother earning "that salary you
    >> know you deserve", and so now they are just trying to earn a buck to
    >> help their brother who is in pain and enjoy vicodin (err... I mean
    >> V'I_C,O:D+I:N) but all this doesn't really matter because they
    >> verified their information for the application that was processed and
    >> approved and are eligible for $400,000 with a rate of 2.1% to buy a
    >> nice house somewhere or spend at that website "your friend recommended
    >> you" to download "Un limited Music and MP 3 songs" and then listen on
    >> your iPOD you got from that "no shit this really works, look at my
    >> picture with it" website?
    >>
    >> Those email messages? ;-)
    >>

    >
    > Darn it Brian, you hacked into my Inbox again, didn't you? ;)
    >
    > Lee

    Works like a charm! Thanks.
     
    Jowah, Dec 1, 2004
    #6
  7. On 2004-11-30, BRIAN <user@127.0.1.1> wrote:

    > (On 11/29/2004 7:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    >
    >> "training.dat" is the file you want, but be aware that one of the great advantages
    >> of the adaptive filter is that it learns to recognize what *YOU* feel to be Junk
    >> mail, which may not be the same as what somebody else feels is Junk mail. By using
    >> someone else's training.dat you give up some of this advantage.


    > You mean some people actually like reading email messages about how to
    > make their penis large and satisfy her, but are surfing for hot teens or
    > MILFs alone at home with their webcams instead, but found a nice girl
    > who benefited from the "green card lottery" and got one of those "50,000
    > VISAS TO THE USA! Get it now." visas, and now "needs a master", and just
    > in time because the "36 hours of freedom." has hit and "the best moments
    > in their life happen suddenly" even when surfing porn anonymously with
    > that "do you want to meet a girl" girl they met, and are wiping their
    > tracks clean on that copy of Windows XP Pro they bought for $9, which
    > they could have afforded to pay full price for anyway had they invested
    > in that micro-cap stock because "we all want stocks that perform", but
    > they didn't bother earning "that salary you know you deserve", and so
    > now they are just trying to earn a buck to help their brother who is in
    > pain and enjoy vicodin (err... I mean V'I_C,O:D+I:N) but all this
    > doesn't really matter because they verified their information for the
    > application that was processed and approved and are eligible for
    > $400,000 with a rate of 2.1% to buy a nice house somewhere or spend at
    > that website "your friend recommended you" to download "Un limited Music
    > and MP 3 songs" and then listen on your iPOD you got from that "no shit
    > this really works, look at my picture with it" website?
    >
    > Those email messages? ;-)


    If you're a doctor, you might need to get messages that contain the words
    VICODIN or VIAGRA. If you're a loan officer, you may need to get messages
    about loans and mortgages. If you're an immigration lawyer you may need to
    get messages about visas and green cards.

    &etc.

    --

    -John ()
     
    John Thompson, Dec 1, 2004
    #7
  8. Jowah

    :: BRIAN :: Guest

    (On 11/30/2004 10:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    > On 2004-11-30, BRIAN <user@127.0.1.1> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>(On 11/29/2004 7:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>"training.dat" is the file you want, but be aware that one of the great advantages
    >>>of the adaptive filter is that it learns to recognize what *YOU* feel to be Junk
    >>>mail, which may not be the same as what somebody else feels is Junk mail. By using
    >>>someone else's training.dat you give up some of this advantage.

    >
    >
    >>You mean some people actually like reading email messages about how to
    >>make their penis large and satisfy her, but are surfing for hot teens or
    >>MILFs alone at home with their webcams instead, but found a nice girl
    >>who benefited from the "green card lottery" and got one of those "50,000
    >>VISAS TO THE USA! Get it now." visas, and now "needs a master", and just
    >>in time because the "36 hours of freedom." has hit and "the best moments
    >>in their life happen suddenly" even when surfing porn anonymously with
    >>that "do you want to meet a girl" girl they met, and are wiping their
    >>tracks clean on that copy of Windows XP Pro they bought for $9, which
    >>they could have afforded to pay full price for anyway had they invested
    >>in that micro-cap stock because "we all want stocks that perform", but
    >>they didn't bother earning "that salary you know you deserve", and so
    >>now they are just trying to earn a buck to help their brother who is in
    >>pain and enjoy vicodin (err... I mean V'I_C,O:D+I:N) but all this
    >>doesn't really matter because they verified their information for the
    >>application that was processed and approved and are eligible for
    >>$400,000 with a rate of 2.1% to buy a nice house somewhere or spend at
    >>that website "your friend recommended you" to download "Un limited Music
    >>and MP 3 songs" and then listen on your iPOD you got from that "no shit
    >>this really works, look at my picture with it" website?
    >>
    >>Those email messages? ;-)

    >
    >
    > If you're a doctor, you might need to get messages that contain the words
    > VICODIN or VIAGRA. If you're a loan officer, you may need to get messages
    > about loans and mortgages. If you're an immigration lawyer you may need to
    > get messages about visas and green cards.
    >
    > &etc.
    >


    Possibly. But not in the combinations that spamers use those words, and
    definitely not when spelled: V'I_C,O:D+I:N, V.1.C.O.D.1.N 75O
    m''''g,Viccodin, Junk Mail Filter doesn't delete messages just because
    it contains a word...

    I'm also pretty certain immigration lawyers aren't getting legitimate
    information about visas from an email that ends in:

    emittance procyonemperor busboy popularlafayette copious
    mississippianbathroom kelvin bindleconducive brake rinehartpervert
    buckaroo draftsmancull nikko ferretlaredo inkling mansionamuse pend
    strutsimmons

    --
    Brian

    Email Info -
    http://68.1.17.8/p0nykiller/email.htm
     
    :: BRIAN ::, Dec 1, 2004
    #8
  9. On 2004-12-01, : : BRIAN : : <user@127.0.1.1> wrote:

    > (On 11/30/2004 10:58 PM) John Thompson wrote:
    >>
    >> If you're a doctor, you might need to get messages that contain the words
    >> VICODIN or VIAGRA. If you're a loan officer, you may need to get messages
    >> about loans and mortgages. If you're an immigration lawyer you may need to
    >> get messages about visas and green cards.
    >>
    >> &etc.


    > Possibly. But not in the combinations that spamers use those words, and
    > definitely not when spelled: V'I_C,O:D+I:N, V.1.C.O.D.1.N 75O
    > m''''g,Viccodin, Junk Mail Filter doesn't delete messages just because
    > it contains a word...


    Yes, if you take proper advantage of the adaptive filter. But if you
    import somebody else's filter, that dumps VICODIN as well as
    V.I.C.O.D.I.N you could have a problem. The Bayesian filter doesn't reject
    messages on specific words; it assigns each word a probability of
    spamminess and when the total score exceeds a certain threshold, it gets
    moved into the Junk folder. Most people would probably reject both VICODIN and
    V.I.C.O.D.I.N, and these tokens would likely recieve pretty much the same
    score from the Bayesian filter. A doctor or pharmacist would reject
    V.I.C.O.D.I.N but retain VICODIN, resulting in different scores for each
    token. But by using somebody else's training.dat file, you may find that
    both VICODIN and V.I.C.O.D.I.N are being rejected. For that reason, I
    think it is better to train your own filter.

    --
    -John ()
     
    John Thompson, Dec 1, 2004
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