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Discussion in 'A+ Certification' started by Ghost, Sep 6, 2003.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    Just for giggles, I thought I would see what others in my area - or close
    by - are offering...

    Only 4 positions for a A+ tech were even available at monster.com


    ################

    CompUSA- Tampa- for an Apple certified tech (Apple Certification is
    relatively rare compared to A+, and usually gets paid higher)- 9/hr to
    start

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+

    ################

    Halifax- Tampa area 100 mile radius- field tech- 13/hr You have an area
    of 100 mile radius that you must use your own car to drive to various
    locations- mileage is expensed.

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+

    ################

    MISSource- Tampa- must have extensive laptop and printer experience as
    well- 12/hr.

    Of course, MISOurce is not the employer- they are a headhunter company-
    which means that position probably does not exist- they use stuff like
    this as a lure to get a database of applicants.

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+

    ##############

    The other listing did not list salary range.

    Now, none of these are exactly in my area- I am in the county north of
    Tampa- about 1 to 1 1/2 hours driving time.

    So, even at the 12 - 13 an hour, you have to reduce that by the 2 to 3
    hours driving time (round trip), plus gas and tolls.

    The higher rate (Halifax) sounds good- until you consider the wear and
    tear on your vehicle for that 100 mile radius. Then, of course, what
    about those days where you end your day at that 100 mile range, then have
    to drive home a hundred miles. Or when you have to start your next day
    back at that site- a hundred miles away.

    13/hr doesnt sound too good any more, does it?

    ###########################
    ###########################

    At careerbuilder.com

    Only one additional listing- for an A+ tech- no salary given, no company
    information- you can only fax a resume to a number- there is no other
    inforamtion available.

    ########################
    ########################

    At hotjobs.com

    only one additional listing-

    Savin, unspecified salary- on site field tech with 3 - 6 yrs experience.
    Again, you have to use your own car, and they service a very large
    geographical area. Mileage is expensed.

    ######################
    ######################
    ######################

    Now, this is the reality of my area- and it really isnt my area (Tampa, St
    Pete, Clearwater)- it is just the closest city to me.


    So, on 3 major employment boards there are a total of 6 jobs avaiable- and
    at least one of those is not a real job.

    I can tell you as an absolute fact- in my exact area, I have been the only
    shop to hire anyone in at least the last year or two.

    There are only 3 real shops on my side of the county right now. The
    fourth closed their doors about 2 months ago. The other two shops send
    their technicians home as soon as work slows down. I do not.

    The other two real shops on my side of the county have let at least 3
    people go in the last year- and I know that because they applied to me-
    but not at a time when I was hiring. That does not include any techs that
    were displaced when the fourth closed their doors.

    The remaining techs are not real shops- rather people working out of their
    homes or their cars- or one man shops. None of these hire other techs.

    In the last 4 years, I have seen lot less than 6 real shops close their
    doors in my exact area.

    I know of a number of individual tech that left the industry completely to
    get more money- including a few people I know of that were in business for
    themselves.

    I know of at least 3 different people that have booths in the local flea
    markets and do tech work or sales of cheap parts to supplement their
    income.

    THESE are the realities of this industry- as far as Pasco County, FL goes.


    I am quite sure the guy here that lives in Land o Lakes (about 30-45
    minutes from me) can verify!


    Those of you who second guess me, or my shop, or the conditions in this
    area, really need to check themselves. Know of what you speak. Just as I
    would not presume to speak with authority anything having to do with your
    area of the country, or your living conditions, or aything else like that.
     
    Ghost, Sep 6, 2003
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  2. Ghost

    lglover Guest

    Ghost,

    Unfortunately this is a reality if the west central Florida area. I have
    been in my position where I am for the last 3 years working helpdesk. It is
    not the dream job that I have wanted, but it is stable work and pays the
    bills. The place where I work at has let people go over the past 2 years for
    downsizing, but are starting to hire once again, The only problem is that
    for people that are doing the exact same job that I am doing are getting
    paid less to start then what I started at 3 years ago, Now I have had a few
    pay-raises since then and am making more now.

    I really do not want to say which employer I work for, but the attrition
    rate is high in my department. The salaries are just very low in this area.
    Most of the people I have spoken to have jobs where they are treated like
    dirt since the employeer knows that it is not easy for someone to leave
    today and be working somewhere else tomorrow. The jobs in this area are bad,
    but I would not give up living in this area for anything. The only reason I
    stay where I am at now is a false sense of security and my determination to
    finish my bachelor's degree before I turn 50, (I am 30 now.)

    Eventually the market place will pick up and people will start to realize
    that more people need to be hired on to handle the workload that is being
    put to the various departments that dealing with them. That day is right
    around the corner, (In the year 2547.) Hopefully much sooner, but I am not a
    predictor of the future o I cannot say. I do know that once the economy does
    pick back up it will be better, but not as good as in the past.



    "Ghost" <> wrote in message
    news:user-0609031241190001@1.0.0.101...
    > Just for giggles, I thought I would see what others in my area - or close
    > by - are offering...
    >
    > Only 4 positions for a A+ tech were even available at monster.com
    >
    >
    > ################
    >
    > CompUSA- Tampa- for an Apple certified tech (Apple Certification is
    > relatively rare compared to A+, and usually gets paid higher)- 9/hr to
    > start
    >
    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    >
    > ################
    >
    > Halifax- Tampa area 100 mile radius- field tech- 13/hr You have an area
    > of 100 mile radius that you must use your own car to drive to various
    > locations- mileage is expensed.
    >
    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    >
    > ################
    >
    > MISSource- Tampa- must have extensive laptop and printer experience as
    > well- 12/hr.
    >
    > Of course, MISOurce is not the employer- they are a headhunter company-
    > which means that position probably does not exist- they use stuff like
    > this as a lure to get a database of applicants.
    >
    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    >
    > ##############
    >
    > The other listing did not list salary range.
    >
    > Now, none of these are exactly in my area- I am in the county north of
    > Tampa- about 1 to 1 1/2 hours driving time.
    >
    > So, even at the 12 - 13 an hour, you have to reduce that by the 2 to 3
    > hours driving time (round trip), plus gas and tolls.
    >
    > The higher rate (Halifax) sounds good- until you consider the wear and
    > tear on your vehicle for that 100 mile radius. Then, of course, what
    > about those days where you end your day at that 100 mile range, then have
    > to drive home a hundred miles. Or when you have to start your next day
    > back at that site- a hundred miles away.
    >
    > 13/hr doesnt sound too good any more, does it?
    >
    > ###########################
    > ###########################
    >
    > At careerbuilder.com
    >
    > Only one additional listing- for an A+ tech- no salary given, no company
    > information- you can only fax a resume to a number- there is no other
    > inforamtion available.
    >
    > ########################
    > ########################
    >
    > At hotjobs.com
    >
    > only one additional listing-
    >
    > Savin, unspecified salary- on site field tech with 3 - 6 yrs experience.
    > Again, you have to use your own car, and they service a very large
    > geographical area. Mileage is expensed.
    >
    > ######################
    > ######################
    > ######################
    >
    > Now, this is the reality of my area- and it really isnt my area (Tampa, St
    > Pete, Clearwater)- it is just the closest city to me.
    >
    >
    > So, on 3 major employment boards there are a total of 6 jobs avaiable- and
    > at least one of those is not a real job.
    >
    > I can tell you as an absolute fact- in my exact area, I have been the only
    > shop to hire anyone in at least the last year or two.
    >
    > There are only 3 real shops on my side of the county right now. The
    > fourth closed their doors about 2 months ago. The other two shops send
    > their technicians home as soon as work slows down. I do not.
    >
    > The other two real shops on my side of the county have let at least 3
    > people go in the last year- and I know that because they applied to me-
    > but not at a time when I was hiring. That does not include any techs that
    > were displaced when the fourth closed their doors.
    >
    > The remaining techs are not real shops- rather people working out of their
    > homes or their cars- or one man shops. None of these hire other techs.
    >
    > In the last 4 years, I have seen lot less than 6 real shops close their
    > doors in my exact area.
    >
    > I know of a number of individual tech that left the industry completely to
    > get more money- including a few people I know of that were in business for
    > themselves.
    >
    > I know of at least 3 different people that have booths in the local flea
    > markets and do tech work or sales of cheap parts to supplement their
    > income.
    >
    > THESE are the realities of this industry- as far as Pasco County, FL goes.
    >
    >
    > I am quite sure the guy here that lives in Land o Lakes (about 30-45
    > minutes from me) can verify!
    >
    >
    > Those of you who second guess me, or my shop, or the conditions in this
    > area, really need to check themselves. Know of what you speak. Just as I
    > would not presume to speak with authority anything having to do with your
    > area of the country, or your living conditions, or aything else like that.
    >
     
    lglover, Sep 7, 2003
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  3. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    Thanx lglover...

    It is nice to see someone who realizes the way life is out there- not like
    some of the dreamers and malcontents that have been slamming me over what
    they perceive as my personal shortcomings.. lol

    It really would be nice if our part of the world was a high tech area-
    where we can get paid decent money.

    I own the freaking company and I do not get paid that much. If I had a
    dream job offer like some of these posters claim there are out there, I
    would close my shop and take the job!!! lol

    Some of these malcontents think we small business owners are living in the
    lap of luxury all the while stepping on the working man out there.
    Further from the truth they cannot be. I live quite modestly- and not by
    my own choice. Most small business owners - especially in the IT world-
    are not living high on the hog either. These guys seem to think we get to
    keep all of that $50 per hour we bill for, all the while meteing out mere
    pennies to our employees.

    Hey, come visit us in NPR sometime, will ya? We can go to lunch.

    My severely outdated web page is: apluscomputer dot biz



    In article <c5u6b.15314$>, "lglover"
    <> wrote:

    > Ghost,
    >
    > Unfortunately this is a reality if the west central Florida area. I have
    > been in my position where I am for the last 3 years working helpdesk. It is
    > not the dream job that I have wanted, but it is stable work and pays the
    > bills. The place where I work at has let people go over the past 2 years for
    > downsizing, but are starting to hire once again, The only problem is that
    > for people that are doing the exact same job that I am doing are getting
    > paid less to start then what I started at 3 years ago, Now I have had a few
    > pay-raises since then and am making more now.
    >
    > I really do not want to say which employer I work for, but the attrition
    > rate is high in my department. The salaries are just very low in this area.
    > Most of the people I have spoken to have jobs where they are treated like
    > dirt since the employeer knows that it is not easy for someone to leave
    > today and be working somewhere else tomorrow. The jobs in this area are bad,
    > but I would not give up living in this area for anything. The only reason I
    > stay where I am at now is a false sense of security and my determination to
    > finish my bachelor's degree before I turn 50, (I am 30 now.)
    >
    > Eventually the market place will pick up and people will start to realize
    > that more people need to be hired on to handle the workload that is being
    > put to the various departments that dealing with them. That day is right
    > around the corner, (In the year 2547.) Hopefully much sooner, but I am not a
    > predictor of the future o I cannot say. I do know that once the economy does
    > pick back up it will be better, but not as good as in the past.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Ghost" <> wrote in message
    > news:user-0609031241190001@1.0.0.101...
    > > Just for giggles, I thought I would see what others in my area - or close
    > > by - are offering...
    > >
    > > Only 4 positions for a A+ tech were even available at monster.com
    > >
    > >
    > > ################
    > >
    > > CompUSA- Tampa- for an Apple certified tech (Apple Certification is
    > > relatively rare compared to A+, and usually gets paid higher)- 9/hr to
    > > start
    > >
    > >

    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    > >
    > > ################
    > >
    > > Halifax- Tampa area 100 mile radius- field tech- 13/hr You have an area
    > > of 100 mile radius that you must use your own car to drive to various
    > > locations- mileage is expensed.
    > >
    > >

    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    > >
    > > ################
    > >
    > > MISSource- Tampa- must have extensive laptop and printer experience as
    > > well- 12/hr.
    > >
    > > Of course, MISOurce is not the employer- they are a headhunter company-
    > > which means that position probably does not exist- they use stuff like
    > > this as a lure to get a database of applicants.
    > >
    > >

    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    > >
    > > ##############
    > >
    > > The other listing did not list salary range.
    > >
    > > Now, none of these are exactly in my area- I am in the county north of
    > > Tampa- about 1 to 1 1/2 hours driving time.
    > >
    > > So, even at the 12 - 13 an hour, you have to reduce that by the 2 to 3
    > > hours driving time (round trip), plus gas and tolls.
    > >
    > > The higher rate (Halifax) sounds good- until you consider the wear and
    > > tear on your vehicle for that 100 mile radius. Then, of course, what
    > > about those days where you end your day at that 100 mile range, then have
    > > to drive home a hundred miles. Or when you have to start your next day
    > > back at that site- a hundred miles away.
    > >
    > > 13/hr doesnt sound too good any more, does it?
    > >
    > > ###########################
    > > ###########################
    > >
    > > At careerbuilder.com
    > >
    > > Only one additional listing- for an A+ tech- no salary given, no company
    > > information- you can only fax a resume to a number- there is no other
    > > inforamtion available.
    > >
    > > ########################
    > > ########################
    > >
    > > At hotjobs.com
    > >
    > > only one additional listing-
    > >
    > > Savin, unspecified salary- on site field tech with 3 - 6 yrs experience.
    > > Again, you have to use your own car, and they service a very large
    > > geographical area. Mileage is expensed.
    > >
    > > ######################
    > > ######################
    > > ######################
    > >
    > > Now, this is the reality of my area- and it really isnt my area (Tampa, St
    > > Pete, Clearwater)- it is just the closest city to me.
    > >
    > >
    > > So, on 3 major employment boards there are a total of 6 jobs avaiable- and
    > > at least one of those is not a real job.
    > >
    > > I can tell you as an absolute fact- in my exact area, I have been the only
    > > shop to hire anyone in at least the last year or two.
    > >
    > > There are only 3 real shops on my side of the county right now. The
    > > fourth closed their doors about 2 months ago. The other two shops send
    > > their technicians home as soon as work slows down. I do not.
    > >
    > > The other two real shops on my side of the county have let at least 3
    > > people go in the last year- and I know that because they applied to me-
    > > but not at a time when I was hiring. That does not include any techs that
    > > were displaced when the fourth closed their doors.
    > >
    > > The remaining techs are not real shops- rather people working out of their
    > > homes or their cars- or one man shops. None of these hire other techs.
    > >
    > > In the last 4 years, I have seen lot less than 6 real shops close their
    > > doors in my exact area.
    > >
    > > I know of a number of individual tech that left the industry completely to
    > > get more money- including a few people I know of that were in business for
    > > themselves.
    > >
    > > I know of at least 3 different people that have booths in the local flea
    > > markets and do tech work or sales of cheap parts to supplement their
    > > income.
    > >
    > > THESE are the realities of this industry- as far as Pasco County, FL goes.
    > >
    > >
    > > I am quite sure the guy here that lives in Land o Lakes (about 30-45
    > > minutes from me) can verify!
    > >
    > >
    > > Those of you who second guess me, or my shop, or the conditions in this
    > > area, really need to check themselves. Know of what you speak. Just as I
    > > would not presume to speak with authority anything having to do with your
    > > area of the country, or your living conditions, or aything else like that.
    > >
     
    Ghost, Sep 7, 2003
    #3
  4. Ghost

    techshare Guest

    I'm not sure about others, but I chose to slam you earlier, because you
    deserved it. I certainly don't mind discussion about problems ... but
    bitching about problems that don't exist is just annoying. You CAN EASILY
    get a qualified tech if you pay a competitive wage. Also, why are you
    posting these kinds of job links for technicians and such?! We have all the
    bad news and bad customers we need! Why don't you make us all proud and try
    to be POSITIVE?! This is a group for A+ certification. Try supporting it and
    the business that surrounds it. Try talking about how a business owner or a
    technician employee can beat the bad economy and get ahead and make a good
    living. Some people always do, but they sure as hell don't do it by thinking
    negatively ... or low-balling or undercutting!

    I hope your new technician is working out well. I also hope you are paying
    him a competitive wage ... because if you aren't ... it won't work out. You
    should be happy you are having enough business to hire other people. Support
    them, and they'll support you.

    By the way, again I totally agree with you about this business not being
    easy for the owner. Also, I wonder if that will even change with the
    economy. I think it's more the nature of a service business - a real pain.


    "Ghost" <> wrote in message
    news:user-0609031951260001@1.0.0.101...
    >
    >
    > Thanx lglover...
    >
    > It is nice to see someone who realizes the way life is out there- not like
    > some of the dreamers and malcontents that have been slamming me over what
    > they perceive as my personal shortcomings.. lol
    >
    > It really would be nice if our part of the world was a high tech area-
    > where we can get paid decent money.
    >
    > I own the freaking company and I do not get paid that much. If I had a
    > dream job offer like some of these posters claim there are out there, I
    > would close my shop and take the job!!! lol
    >
    > Some of these malcontents think we small business owners are living in the
    > lap of luxury all the while stepping on the working man out there.
    > Further from the truth they cannot be. I live quite modestly- and not by
    > my own choice. Most small business owners - especially in the IT world-
    > are not living high on the hog either. These guys seem to think we get to
    > keep all of that $50 per hour we bill for, all the while meteing out mere
    > pennies to our employees.
    >
    > Hey, come visit us in NPR sometime, will ya? We can go to lunch.
    >
    > My severely outdated web page is: apluscomputer dot biz
    >
    >
    >
    > In article <c5u6b.15314$>, "lglover"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > > Ghost,
    > >
    > > Unfortunately this is a reality if the west central Florida area. I have
    > > been in my position where I am for the last 3 years working helpdesk. It

    is
    > > not the dream job that I have wanted, but it is stable work and pays the
    > > bills. The place where I work at has let people go over the past 2 years

    for
    > > downsizing, but are starting to hire once again, The only problem is

    that
    > > for people that are doing the exact same job that I am doing are getting
    > > paid less to start then what I started at 3 years ago, Now I have had a

    few
    > > pay-raises since then and am making more now.
    > >
    > > I really do not want to say which employer I work for, but the attrition
    > > rate is high in my department. The salaries are just very low in this

    area.
    > > Most of the people I have spoken to have jobs where they are treated

    like
    > > dirt since the employeer knows that it is not easy for someone to leave
    > > today and be working somewhere else tomorrow. The jobs in this area are

    bad,
    > > but I would not give up living in this area for anything. The only

    reason I
    > > stay where I am at now is a false sense of security and my determination

    to
    > > finish my bachelor's degree before I turn 50, (I am 30 now.)
    > >
    > > Eventually the market place will pick up and people will start to

    realize
    > > that more people need to be hired on to handle the workload that is

    being
    > > put to the various departments that dealing with them. That day is right
    > > around the corner, (In the year 2547.) Hopefully much sooner, but I am

    not a
    > > predictor of the future o I cannot say. I do know that once the economy

    does
    > > pick back up it will be better, but not as good as in the past.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Ghost" <> wrote in message
    > > news:user-0609031241190001@1.0.0.101...
    > > > Just for giggles, I thought I would see what others in my area - or

    close
    > > > by - are offering...
    > > >
    > > > Only 4 positions for a A+ tech were even available at monster.com
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ################
    > > >
    > > > CompUSA- Tampa- for an Apple certified tech (Apple Certification is
    > > > relatively rare compared to A+, and usually gets paid higher)- 9/hr to
    > > > start
    > > >
    > > >

    > >

    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    > > >
    > > > ################
    > > >
    > > > Halifax- Tampa area 100 mile radius- field tech- 13/hr You have an

    area
    > > > of 100 mile radius that you must use your own car to drive to various
    > > > locations- mileage is expensed.
    > > >
    > > >

    > >

    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    > > >
    > > > ################
    > > >
    > > > MISSource- Tampa- must have extensive laptop and printer experience as
    > > > well- 12/hr.
    > > >
    > > > Of course, MISOurce is not the employer- they are a headhunter

    company-
    > > > which means that position probably does not exist- they use stuff like
    > > > this as a lure to get a database of applicants.
    > > >
    > > >

    > >

    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    > > >
    > > > ##############
    > > >
    > > > The other listing did not list salary range.
    > > >
    > > > Now, none of these are exactly in my area- I am in the county north of
    > > > Tampa- about 1 to 1 1/2 hours driving time.
    > > >
    > > > So, even at the 12 - 13 an hour, you have to reduce that by the 2 to 3
    > > > hours driving time (round trip), plus gas and tolls.
    > > >
    > > > The higher rate (Halifax) sounds good- until you consider the wear and
    > > > tear on your vehicle for that 100 mile radius. Then, of course, what
    > > > about those days where you end your day at that 100 mile range, then

    have
    > > > to drive home a hundred miles. Or when you have to start your next

    day
    > > > back at that site- a hundred miles away.
    > > >
    > > > 13/hr doesnt sound too good any more, does it?
    > > >
    > > > ###########################
    > > > ###########################
    > > >
    > > > At careerbuilder.com
    > > >
    > > > Only one additional listing- for an A+ tech- no salary given, no

    company
    > > > information- you can only fax a resume to a number- there is no other
    > > > inforamtion available.
    > > >
    > > > ########################
    > > > ########################
    > > >
    > > > At hotjobs.com
    > > >
    > > > only one additional listing-
    > > >
    > > > Savin, unspecified salary- on site field tech with 3 - 6 yrs

    experience.
    > > > Again, you have to use your own car, and they service a very large
    > > > geographical area. Mileage is expensed.
    > > >
    > > > ######################
    > > > ######################
    > > > ######################
    > > >
    > > > Now, this is the reality of my area- and it really isnt my area

    (Tampa, St
    > > > Pete, Clearwater)- it is just the closest city to me.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > So, on 3 major employment boards there are a total of 6 jobs avaiable-

    and
    > > > at least one of those is not a real job.
    > > >
    > > > I can tell you as an absolute fact- in my exact area, I have been the

    only
    > > > shop to hire anyone in at least the last year or two.
    > > >
    > > > There are only 3 real shops on my side of the county right now. The
    > > > fourth closed their doors about 2 months ago. The other two shops

    send
    > > > their technicians home as soon as work slows down. I do not.
    > > >
    > > > The other two real shops on my side of the county have let at least 3
    > > > people go in the last year- and I know that because they applied to

    me-
    > > > but not at a time when I was hiring. That does not include any techs

    that
    > > > were displaced when the fourth closed their doors.
    > > >
    > > > The remaining techs are not real shops- rather people working out of

    their
    > > > homes or their cars- or one man shops. None of these hire other

    techs.
    > > >
    > > > In the last 4 years, I have seen lot less than 6 real shops close

    their
    > > > doors in my exact area.
    > > >
    > > > I know of a number of individual tech that left the industry

    completely to
    > > > get more money- including a few people I know of that were in business

    for
    > > > themselves.
    > > >
    > > > I know of at least 3 different people that have booths in the local

    flea
    > > > markets and do tech work or sales of cheap parts to supplement their
    > > > income.
    > > >
    > > > THESE are the realities of this industry- as far as Pasco County, FL

    goes.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I am quite sure the guy here that lives in Land o Lakes (about 30-45
    > > > minutes from me) can verify!
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Those of you who second guess me, or my shop, or the conditions in

    this
    > > > area, really need to check themselves. Know of what you speak. Just

    as I
    > > > would not presume to speak with authority anything having to do with

    your
    > > > area of the country, or your living conditions, or aything else like

    that.
    > > >
     
    techshare, Sep 7, 2003
    #4
  5. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    In article <>, Adam Leinss
    <> wrote:

    > "techshare" <> wrote in news:-
    > :
    >
    > >> My severely outdated web page is: apluscomputer dot biz

    >
    > What about your book?
    >
    > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072133457/qid=1063065622/sr%
    > 3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-2563621-9566362#product-details
    >
    > Paperback: ; Dimensions (in inches): 8.31 x 10.71
    > Publisher: McGraw-Hill Education - Europe; (June 1, 1902)
    > ASIN: 0072133457
    >
    > June of 1902! So it basically covers mechanical computers, right?
    > <BFG>
    >
    > Adam


    Yeah, all about the abacus and new babbage counting machine... lol

    Talk about a typo!!! lol
     
    Ghost, Sep 9, 2003
    #5
  6. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    In article <>, Adam Leinss
    <> wrote:

    > "techshare" <> wrote in news:-
    > :
    >
    > >> My severely outdated web page is: apluscomputer dot biz

    >
    > What about your book?
    >
    > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072133457/qid=1063065622/sr%
    > 3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-2563621-9566362#product-details
    >
    > Paperback: ; Dimensions (in inches): 8.31 x 10.71
    > Publisher: McGraw-Hill Education - Europe; (June 1, 1902)
    > ASIN: 0072133457
    >
    > June of 1902! So it basically covers mechanical computers, right?
    > <BFG>
    >
    > Adam




    oh, and I am not in Europe... lol

    I wonder if that means it is being sold in Europe or if it is a typo from
    where I am? Florida is close to Europe, right? lol
     
    Ghost, Sep 9, 2003
    #6
  7. Ghost

    natural_4u Guest

    I passed both A+ exam Sept 11, 2000. "Who would think exactly one year later
    the trade center in NY would go down"

    Anyways 2 weeks after I passed the exam, I registered with a consulting
    company and they put me on a 6 month contract which paid $14/h. This was at
    the airport and travel agencies. At the airport Air Canada had just bought
    out Canadian Airline... so it was more of an integration. The new PCs where
    HP vectras ... this is were I learned how to create and load images from
    servers. At the travel agencies we did the same thing but in a smaller
    scale.

    Year 2001 was the cable company year. I was hired to some piece work on
    installing NIC and configuring IE for people who wanted cable internet, the
    cable company had a 1 month free trail... so everyone tried it. That paid
    $18.50/install, which took approximately 1 - 20 minutes. Some PC came
    installed with NICs or had a built-in NIC on the motherboard. When I saw
    those I use to say "that was a quick $18.50". There was at lease 10 - 15
    call per day

    Last year still with the same consulting company paid $18/h on upgrading PCs
    in financial institutes.

    ( All of the financial institutes projects involved a team of 5 and was
    complete very quick)

    This year I tried a different consulting company, they had me do a solo
    project "Windows 2K" upgrade at the train station which paid $20/h.. During
    the last week of the project the old consulting company called me and ask if
    I wanted to do some more Win2K upgrades which is paying $16/h with no
    overtime pay and it's night shift 8pm - 5am..... I said ok.

    I've had my share of ups and down on wages BUT... I would gladly stop all of
    this for a STEADY JOB that paid an average wage and benefits.

    When I say average I mean $17.30... :))



    "Ghost" <> wrote in message
    news:user-0609031241190001@1.0.0.101...
    > Just for giggles, I thought I would see what others in my area - or close
    > by - are offering...
    >
    > Only 4 positions for a A+ tech were even available at monster.com
    >
    >
    > ################
    >
    > CompUSA- Tampa- for an Apple certified tech (Apple Certification is
    > relatively rare compared to A+, and usually gets paid higher)- 9/hr to
    > start
    >
    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    >
    > ################
    >
    > Halifax- Tampa area 100 mile radius- field tech- 13/hr You have an area
    > of 100 mile radius that you must use your own car to drive to various
    > locations- mileage is expensed.
    >
    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    >
    > ################
    >
    > MISSource- Tampa- must have extensive laptop and printer experience as
    > well- 12/hr.
    >
    > Of course, MISOurce is not the employer- they are a headhunter company-
    > which means that position probably does not exist- they use stuff like
    > this as a lure to get a database of applicants.
    >
    >

    http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob...US&brd=1,1862,1863&lid=388,390&fn=543, 6&q=A+
    >
    > ##############
    >
    > The other listing did not list salary range.
    >
    > Now, none of these are exactly in my area- I am in the county north of
    > Tampa- about 1 to 1 1/2 hours driving time.
    >
    > So, even at the 12 - 13 an hour, you have to reduce that by the 2 to 3
    > hours driving time (round trip), plus gas and tolls.
    >
    > The higher rate (Halifax) sounds good- until you consider the wear and
    > tear on your vehicle for that 100 mile radius. Then, of course, what
    > about those days where you end your day at that 100 mile range, then have
    > to drive home a hundred miles. Or when you have to start your next day
    > back at that site- a hundred miles away.
    >
    > 13/hr doesnt sound too good any more, does it?
    >
    > ###########################
    > ###########################
    >
    > At careerbuilder.com
    >
    > Only one additional listing- for an A+ tech- no salary given, no company
    > information- you can only fax a resume to a number- there is no other
    > inforamtion available.
    >
    > ########################
    > ########################
    >
    > At hotjobs.com
    >
    > only one additional listing-
    >
    > Savin, unspecified salary- on site field tech with 3 - 6 yrs experience.
    > Again, you have to use your own car, and they service a very large
    > geographical area. Mileage is expensed.
    >
    > ######################
    > ######################
    > ######################
    >
    > Now, this is the reality of my area- and it really isnt my area (Tampa, St
    > Pete, Clearwater)- it is just the closest city to me.
    >
    >
    > So, on 3 major employment boards there are a total of 6 jobs avaiable- and
    > at least one of those is not a real job.
    >
    > I can tell you as an absolute fact- in my exact area, I have been the only
    > shop to hire anyone in at least the last year or two.
    >
    > There are only 3 real shops on my side of the county right now. The
    > fourth closed their doors about 2 months ago. The other two shops send
    > their technicians home as soon as work slows down. I do not.
    >
    > The other two real shops on my side of the county have let at least 3
    > people go in the last year- and I know that because they applied to me-
    > but not at a time when I was hiring. That does not include any techs that
    > were displaced when the fourth closed their doors.
    >
    > The remaining techs are not real shops- rather people working out of their
    > homes or their cars- or one man shops. None of these hire other techs.
    >
    > In the last 4 years, I have seen lot less than 6 real shops close their
    > doors in my exact area.
    >
    > I know of a number of individual tech that left the industry completely to
    > get more money- including a few people I know of that were in business for
    > themselves.
    >
    > I know of at least 3 different people that have booths in the local flea
    > markets and do tech work or sales of cheap parts to supplement their
    > income.
    >
    > THESE are the realities of this industry- as far as Pasco County, FL goes.
    >
    >
    > I am quite sure the guy here that lives in Land o Lakes (about 30-45
    > minutes from me) can verify!
    >
    >
    > Those of you who second guess me, or my shop, or the conditions in this
    > area, really need to check themselves. Know of what you speak. Just as I
    > would not presume to speak with authority anything having to do with your
    > area of the country, or your living conditions, or aything else like that.
     
    natural_4u, Sep 9, 2003
    #7
  8. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    In article <mij7b.921689$>, "natural_4u"
    <> wrote:

    > I passed both A+ exam Sept 11, 2000. "Who would think exactly one year later
    > the trade center in NY would go down"
    >
    > Anyways 2 weeks after I passed the exam, I registered with a consulting
    > company and they put me on a 6 month contract which paid $14/h. This was at
    > the airport and travel agencies. At the airport Air Canada had just bought
    > out Canadian Airline... so it was more of an integration. The new PCs where
    > HP vectras ... this is were I learned how to create and load images from
    > servers. At the travel agencies we did the same thing but in a smaller
    > scale.
    >
    > Year 2001 was the cable company year. I was hired to some piece work on
    > installing NIC and configuring IE for people who wanted cable internet, the
    > cable company had a 1 month free trail... so everyone tried it. That paid
    > $18.50/install, which took approximately 1 - 20 minutes. Some PC came
    > installed with NICs or had a built-in NIC on the motherboard. When I saw
    > those I use to say "that was a quick $18.50". There was at lease 10 - 15
    > call per day
    >
    > Last year still with the same consulting company paid $18/h on upgrading PCs
    > in financial institutes.
    >
    > ( All of the financial institutes projects involved a team of 5 and was
    > complete very quick)
    >
    > This year I tried a different consulting company, they had me do a solo
    > project "Windows 2K" upgrade at the train station which paid $20/h.. During
    > the last week of the project the old consulting company called me and ask if
    > I wanted to do some more Win2K upgrades which is paying $16/h with no
    > overtime pay and it's night shift 8pm - 5am..... I said ok.
    >
    > I've had my share of ups and down on wages BUT... I would gladly stop all of
    > this for a STEADY JOB that paid an average wage and benefits.
    >
    > When I say average I mean $17.30... :))
    >
    >
    >



    US or Canadian dollars? You mantioned Air Canada, and I see your server
    is Calgary Canada.

    What does that equate to in US dollars?
     
    Ghost, Sep 9, 2003
    #8
  9. Ghost

    natural_4u Guest

    yes I 'm using Canadian dollars


    "ImhoTech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "Ghost" <> wrote in message
    > news:user-0909030810010001@1.0.0.101...
    > > In article <mij7b.921689$>,

    "natural_4u"
    > > <> wrote:
    > > > When I say average I mean $17.30... :))

    >
    > >
    > >
    > > US or Canadian dollars? You mantioned Air Canada, and I see your server
    > > is Calgary Canada.
    > >
    > > What does that equate to in US dollars?

    >
    > If he's using Canadian dollars, that 17.30 is 12.65 US dollars.
    >
    >
     
    natural_4u, Sep 11, 2003
    #9
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