Jobs outsourcing to India...

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by JedMeister, Nov 27, 2003.

  1. JedMeister

    JedMeister Guest

    JedMeister, Nov 27, 2003
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    Rupert Guest

    people who I have spoken to, that have outsourced work to India have had
    nothing but bad to say about the experience - delays, poor coding etc - to
    the point they would never do it again....


    "JedMeister" <> wrote in message
    news:rdlxb.11509$...
    > This is a good article about IT jobs going to India...same is happening

    here
    > to some degree.
    >
    > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32789
    >
    >
     
    Rupert, Nov 27, 2003
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    Bruce Hoult Guest

    In article <rdlxb.11509$>,
    "JedMeister" <> wrote:

    > This is a good article about IT jobs going to India...same is happening here
    > to some degree.
    >
    > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32789


    Where I am, management said they'd looked at it and decided that kiwis
    work nearly as cheap as Indians anyway...

    -- Bruce
     
    Bruce Hoult, Nov 27, 2003
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    SNOman Guest

    JedMeister wrote:

    > This is a good article about IT jobs going to India...same is happening here
    > to some degree.
    >
    > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32789
    >
    >

    And then you have companies like Dell taking some of the work back off
    them :) I'm referring to the customer support of course where there
    have been numerous complaints about not being able to understand
    operators etc to such an extent that Dell has returned their Corporate
    support to Texas.

    I personally have done the Dell 'indian' experience and it was bloody awful.
     
    SNOman, Nov 27, 2003
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    Ralph Mason Guest

    "JedMeister" <> wrote in message
    news:rdlxb.11509$...
    > This is a good article about IT jobs going to India...same is happening

    here
    > to some degree.
    >
    > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32789
    >


    I don't agree at all with the 'same is happening here comment' unless you
    mean that US jobs are ending up here, this I do agree with.

    NZ has a great lifestyle, lower costs than the US and is a great place to
    export technology from.

    There are also fewer cultural and language barriers for US companies.

    Now if the government would just give some tax relief on R&D and lower
    company tax, we could really take off. Lowering tax would generate *more*
    revenue, although they seem blind to the fact. The country's tax rates are
    set by a short sighted bean counter.

    Ralph
     
    Ralph Mason, Nov 27, 2003
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    steve Guest

    Ralph Mason allegedly said:

    >
    > "JedMeister" <> wrote in message
    > news:rdlxb.11509$...
    >> This is a good article about IT jobs going to India...same is happening

    > here
    >> to some degree.
    >>
    >> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32789
    >>

    >
    > I don't agree at all with the 'same is happening here comment' unless you
    > mean that US jobs are ending up here, this I do agree with.


    The HP call centre in Auckland shut down and went to India just recently.

    > NZ has a great lifestyle, lower costs than the US and is a great place to
    > export technology from.
    >
    > There are also fewer cultural and language barriers for US companies.
    >
    > Now if the government would just give some tax relief on R&D and lower
    > company tax, we could really take off. Lowering tax would generate *more*
    > revenue, although they seem blind to the fact. The country's tax rates are
    > set by a short sighted bean counter.


    Ralph

    The big multi-nationals don't pay any tax here anyway. They transfer it to
    the HQ overseas as a "technology royalty" that they count as cost.

    That's why companies like IBM and others appear to never make any
    money....but never leave.

    It's Kiwi companies who have to pay the tax. They can't transfer it
    anywhere.

    Frankly, the corporate tax regime does discriminate against Kiwi companies
    in so far as it enables and allows the practice described above.

    But lowering the tax rate won't change that. Instead there should be a
    technology tax "credit" for comanies based here - to even things up.

    Unfortunately, under WTO rules that would be a bit on the nose.....We aren't
    supposed to discriminate between local companies who pay tax and foeign
    companies that contrive to avoid it.


    --
    Best Regards,
    Steve Withers
    defenestrate: The act of throwing Windows out the window and replacing it on
    your PC with some other operating system.
     
    steve, Nov 27, 2003
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    Mainlander Guest

    In article <MXvxb.10155$>,
    says...

    > The big multi-nationals don't pay any tax here anyway. They transfer it to
    > the HQ overseas as a "technology royalty" that they count as cost.
    >
    > That's why companies like IBM and others appear to never make any
    > money....but never leave.


    Just as well for you
     
    Mainlander, Nov 28, 2003
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    Edmund Good Guest

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:40:28 +1300, steve wrote:

    >The big multi-nationals don't pay any tax here anyway. They transfer it to
    >the HQ overseas as a "technology royalty" that they count as cost.
    >
    >That's why companies like IBM and others appear to never make any
    >money....but never leave.


    While foreign company's may be using "technology royalities" to reduce local
    company tax they still have to pay GST and PAYE (on employee's pay) which are
    important sources of tax revenue. While everyone bleats on about lower
    corporate tax, some very successful company's operate in high tax
    environments eg Nokia in Finland.
     
    Edmund Good, Nov 28, 2003
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    steve Guest

    Edmund Good allegedly said:

    > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:40:28 +1300, steve wrote:
    >
    >>The big multi-nationals don't pay any tax here anyway. They transfer it to
    >>the HQ overseas as a "technology royalty" that they count as cost.
    >>
    >>That's why companies like IBM and others appear to never make any
    >>money....but never leave.

    >
    > While foreign company's may be using "technology royalities" to reduce
    > local company tax they still have to pay GST


    GST? They claim it back.

    > and PAYE (on employee's pay)
    > which are important sources of tax revenue.


    The employee is paying that tax.

    > While everyone bleats on about
    > lower corporate tax, some very successful company's operate in high tax
    > environments eg Nokia in Finland.


    True. Lower taxes won't help.

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    Steve Withers
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    steve, Nov 29, 2003
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    madknoxie Guest

    In article <4CZxb.10393$>,
    steve <> wrote:

    > Edmund Good allegedly said:
    >
    > > While foreign company's may be using "technology royalities" to reduce
    > > local company tax they still have to pay GST

    >
    > GST? They claim it back.


    If GST is claimed back, it means that its already been paid for.


    > > While everyone bleats on about
    > > lower corporate tax, some very successful company's operate in high tax
    > > environments eg Nokia in Finland.

    >
    > True. Lower taxes won't help.


    Why not? Won't help who?

    --
    madknoxie
    $35 .nz domain names: http://www.ivision.co.nz/
     
    madknoxie, Nov 29, 2003
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  11. JedMeister

    Edmund Good Guest

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:25:20 +1300, steve wrote:


    >GST? They claim it back.


    They must pay GST on goods imported.

    >
    >> and PAYE (on employee's pay)
    >> which are important sources of tax revenue.

    >
    >The employee is paying that tax.


    OK, to say it differently, "they employ (a lot of) people"
     
    Edmund Good, Nov 30, 2003
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    Ralph Mason Guest

    "Edmund Good" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:25:20 +1300, steve wrote:
    >
    >
    > >GST? They claim it back.

    >
    > They must pay GST on goods imported.


    And then claim back - they pay exactly $0 in GST it's an 'end user' tax.

    > >> and PAYE (on employee's pay)
    > >> which are important sources of tax revenue.

    > >
    > >The employee is paying that tax.

    >
    > OK, to say it differently, "they employ (a lot of) people"


    Who might be otherwise employed?

    Ralph
     
    Ralph Mason, Nov 30, 2003
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    steve Guest

    Edmund Good allegedly said:

    > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:25:20 +1300, steve wrote:
    >
    >
    >>GST? They claim it back.

    >
    > They must pay GST on goods imported.


    Not if they then re-sell them. They claim it back.

    >>> and PAYE (on employee's pay)
    >>> which are important sources of tax revenue.

    >>
    >>The employee is paying that tax.

    >
    > OK, to say it differently, "they employ (a lot of) people"


    So would a Kiwi company that pays tax.

    Try to keep the whole picture in view. :)

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    Steve Withers
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    steve, Nov 30, 2003
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    madknoxie Guest

    In article <Vskyb.10551$>,
    steve <> wrote:

    > Edmund Good allegedly said:
    >
    > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:25:20 +1300, steve wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>GST? They claim it back.

    > >
    > > They must pay GST on goods imported.

    >
    > Not if they then re-sell them. They claim it back.


    Which means its already been paid for.


    --
    madknoxie
    $35 .nz domain names: http://www.ivision.co.nz/
     
    madknoxie, Nov 30, 2003
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    Edmund Good Guest

    On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:25:41 +1300, steve wrote:

    >>>GST? They claim it back.

    >>
    >> They must pay GST on goods imported.

    >
    >Not if they then re-sell them. They claim it back.


    No, they act as a tax collection agent for the government. They are selling
    an item that does generate tax revenue.


    >
    >>>> and PAYE (on employee's pay)
    >>>> which are important sources of tax revenue.
    >>>
    >>>The employee is paying that tax.

    >>
    >> OK, to say it differently, "they employ (a lot of) people"

    >
    >So would a Kiwi company that pays tax.


    Makes an assumption that Kiwi company's would employ the same number of
    people Also assumes Kiwi company's pay tax Do you know what percentage of the
    tax take comes from corporates......................only 15% according to
    the stats on the Treasury website. Most comes from PAYE, GST and other
    consumption taxes (such a liquior excise, tobacco excise etc). The corporate
    tax take is for all intents and purposes irrelevant.
     
    Edmund Good, Dec 2, 2003
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