I know this question has already been posted a while ago since I saw a couple of threads about it on Google - I also read some messages off their own groups server - but are some of you are using Jade ? What do you think of it ? I don't know it, but have taken a quick look this afternoon, downloaded the runtime and ide, as well as read parts of its online framework documentation. The good point is definitely the object model/database abstraction level, which (apparently) makes the whole thing appear as one unique versatile thing. Hmmm maybe not very easy to perform sql queries though, or is there an equivalent ? I would also like to know if people/companies use it for applications a bit more graphical (I saw the Port Otago case study was quite visual) I mean anything that is not 100% pure database stuff. Is Jade finally another WinDev, Powerbuilder or sophisticated FoxPro with just an original concept for the database side ? I found the UI part really poor, I didn't see any powerful DataGrid-like component or anything really easing the access to relational and/or hierarchical data. The whole framework seems to be exposed through COM too. Is this really useful since Jade is above all completely proprietary (IDE, language, debugger) ? Any opinions about it are welcome.