IT jobs ~ a busy week

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Bruce Sinclair, Jun 21, 2005.

  1. In article <gBMte.8969$>, "PAM." <> wrote:
    >"thing2" <> wrote in message
    >
    >> Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
    >> not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

    >
    >I was trying to figure out how to compare salaries here to UK. Then it
    >dawned on me one day when talking to a UK friend about Plasma TV's.
    >
    >Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him the
    >equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.
    >
    >Scary.


    The "big mac index" is probably a better measure :)

    Bruce


    -------------------------------------
    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
    - George Bernard Shaw
    Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.
    - Ambrose Bierce

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    Bruce Sinclair, Jun 21, 2005
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  2. In article <jOMte.8982$>, "PAM." <> wrote:
    >"Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    >in message
    >
    >> The "big mac index" is probably a better measure :)

    >
    >It i a good one, unless you want a plasma TV


    Quite :) ... I mean that, in 3 months, that plasma TV that is currently
    costing 1/5 of your salary here could well be 1/10. I know people in the
    game ... and that is the sort of reduction they were seeing. It's all timing
    and context and we are "further away" (from pretty much anywhere) ... can
    you wait ? :)



    Bruce


    -------------------------------------
    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
    - George Bernard Shaw
    Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.
    - Ambrose Bierce

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jun 21, 2005
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  3. Bruce Sinclair

    thing2 Guest

    It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....

    Its no wonder if there are vacancies going for long periods of time. If
    they are paying no better or worse than the existing job I cannot see
    the point of moving....so so much for the 3 contacts I had this week (so
    far).....

    One for them was for CHCH.

    Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
    not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

    Maybe employers should stop bitching about letting more IT people into
    NZ and start paying more to the ones here (if they really want them).
    That way just maybe ex-pats might start coming back and people here
    might move into IT.....

    regards

    Thing
    thing2, Jun 21, 2005
    #3
  4. Bruce Sinclair

    PAM. Guest

    "thing2" <> wrote in message

    > Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
    > not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...


    I was trying to figure out how to compare salaries here to UK. Then it
    dawned on me one day when talking to a UK friend about Plasma TV's.

    Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him the
    equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.

    Scary.

    PAM.
    PAM., Jun 21, 2005
    #4
  5. Bruce Sinclair

    PAM. Guest

    "Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    in message

    > The "big mac index" is probably a better measure :)


    It i a good one, unless you want a plasma TV

    :)

    PAM.
    PAM., Jun 21, 2005
    #5
  6. Bruce Sinclair

    Mark Guest

    "PAM." <> wrote in message
    news:jOMte.8982$...
    > "Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    > in message
    >
    > > The "big mac index" is probably a better measure :)

    >
    > It i a good one, unless you want a plasma TV
    >
    > :)
    >
    > PAM.
    >
    >


    Yes but the Plasma TV index doesn't cover where you're going to put it...
    which I believe is a huge factor ;)
    Mark, Jun 21, 2005
    #6
  7. Bruce Sinclair

    thing Guest

    PAM. wrote:
    > "thing2" <> wrote in message
    >
    >
    >>Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
    >>not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

    >
    >
    > I was trying to figure out how to compare salaries here to UK. Then it
    > dawned on me one day when talking to a UK friend about Plasma TV's.
    >
    > Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him the
    > equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.
    >
    > Scary.
    >
    > PAM.
    >
    >


    Is that 1/5th gross salary or 1/5th net disposable income?

    Having come from the UK, certianly in 1995 it was way cheaper to live in
    NZ than in the UK. So while my salary is lower here, I have a better
    house, lifestyle and more spare $.

    Example in 1993 my car insurance was nearly $5000NZ against $500 here
    for the same car (I shipped it over). My house contents insurance was
    $2400+ (1993) v $300 (today's cost).

    I have house that is probably twice the size of what I could have
    afforded in the UK for less....

    Now I do agree that costs such as food and power have climbed
    significantly but the UK is not a cheap place to live....

    regards

    Thing
    thing, Jun 21, 2005
    #7
  8. "thing2" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    > contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get
    > now....
    >
    > Its no wonder if there are vacancies going for long periods of time. If
    > they are paying no better or worse than the existing job I cannot see the
    > point of moving....so so much for the 3 contacts I had this week (so
    > far).....
    >
    > One for them was for CHCH.
    >
    > Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
    > not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...
    >
    > Maybe employers should stop bitching about letting more IT people into NZ
    > and start paying more to the ones here (if they really want them). That
    > way just maybe ex-pats might start coming back and people here might move
    > into IT.....
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Thing


    And, I bet they don't offer training either. I would not recommend studying
    in IT these days.

    Most of the problem is the IT industry has been devalued by low wage
    economies in India/China and the like. There are no certification standards
    in NZ enforced by the govt such as with accounting/law / medical. So, any
    geezer can call them selves an IT consultant.

    After graduating in the early 90's, I recall seeing pages and pages of jobs
    in computerworld NZ. Now, you barely see enough to fill a single side.
    news.xtra.co.nz, Jun 21, 2005
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  9. Bruce Sinclair

    geoffm Guest

    For comparison with UK salaries, it does depend on where you live,
    with London being the most expensive. According to a Scottish friend,
    it is 2 x the salary in pounds for the equivalent NZ wage - ie 20k
    pounds == $NZ40k in terms of money in the hand. I feel that is a bit
    low in places, when you see what they pay for petrol, insurance, etc.
    Prices are basically dollars for pounds.
    The pay rates I have seen quoted in my field are not enough to tempt
    me to go over there. It might do if I was single, as a means of having
    the OE I never had (sniff).
    Geoff
    geoffm, Jun 21, 2005
    #9
  10. Bruce Sinclair

    Epsom, Surry Guest

    On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:57:40 +1200, thing2 <>
    wrote:

    >It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    >contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....

    where i live you get a London weighting index on top of your pay to
    reflect teh cost of living in London, I get £1100 a year on top of the
    salary...
    but you guys dont know how lucky you are...
    rent £750 - nice single bedroom flat, 12 years old
    council tax £115 a month...
    water rates...
    power...
    gas...
    taxed if you sell your house, taxed if you die...
    Epsom, Surry, Jun 21, 2005
    #10
  11. Bruce Sinclair

    thing Guest

    Epsom, Surry wrote:
    > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:57:40 +1200, thing2 <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    >>contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....

    >
    > where i live you get a London weighting index on top of your pay to
    > reflect teh cost of living in London, I get £1100 a year on top of the
    > salary...
    > but you guys dont know how lucky you are...
    > rent £750 - nice single bedroom flat, 12 years old
    > council tax £115 a month...
    > water rates...
    > power...
    > gas...
    > taxed if you sell your house, taxed if you die...


    I spent 9+ years living in Tooting London so I do possibly.

    I used to get 1100odd Sterling in 1993! 12 years later and its still the
    same....

    Is this inner or outer London weighting btw?

    Well 115 x 3 = 345 for rates, on a flat in NZ that would be huge! mines
    a third of that for a 4 bedroom house....ik.

    You dont say but I assume the rent is per month? 2250NZ.....in rent.....

    Funny but the right wing here complain tax is to high...they should move
    to the UK...

    Gee I dont miss the UK, no more 2 hours a day in traffic jams, sometimes
    6 hours....

    What is petrol a litre these days?

    regards

    Thing
    thing, Jun 21, 2005
    #11
  12. Bruce Sinclair

    Steve Guest

    On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:58:02 -0500, geoffm wrote:

    > For comparison with UK salaries, it does depend on where you live, with
    > London being the most expensive. According to a Scottish friend, it is 2 x
    > the salary in pounds for the equivalent NZ wage - ie 20k pounds == $NZ40k
    > in terms of money in the hand. I feel that is a bit low in places, when
    > you see what they pay for petrol, insurance, etc. Prices are basically
    > dollars for pounds. The pay rates I have seen quoted in my field are not
    > enough to tempt me to go over there. It might do if I was single, as a
    > means of having the OE I never had (sniff).
    > Geoff


    As a freelancer, my income in the uk was 3x what it is here. That's
    3xpounds to 1xNZ dollars. And that's a long way from London, too.

    Would I swap? Not for the world.

    Steve
    Steve, Jun 21, 2005
    #12
  13. Bruce Sinclair

    Crash Guest

    thing wrote:
    [snip]
    >
    > Having come from the UK, certianly in 1995 it was way cheaper to live in
    > NZ than in the UK. So while my salary is lower here, I have a better
    > house, lifestyle and more spare $.
    >
    > Example in 1993 my car insurance was nearly $5000NZ against $500 here
    > for the same car (I shipped it over). My house contents insurance was
    > $2400+ (1993) v $300 (today's cost).
    >
    > I have house that is probably twice the size of what I could have
    > afforded in the UK for less....
    >
    > Now I do agree that costs such as food and power have climbed
    > significantly but the UK is not a cheap place to live....
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Thing


    I moved to the UK in 2000 and stayed for nearly 3 years. My general
    suggestion is that your salary numbers need to be 2/3 (i.e. if you earn
    $60k you are ahead on 40k pounds) in London, or half for elsewhere.
    This takes into account the relative costs of living and in my
    experience was easy to achieve.

    Crash.
    Crash, Jun 21, 2005
    #13
  14. In article <>,
    thing2 <> wrote:

    > It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    > contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....
    >
    > Its no wonder if there are vacancies going for long periods of time. If
    > they are paying no better or worse than the existing job I cannot see
    > the point of moving....so so much for the 3 contacts I had this week (so
    > far).....


    Yet we see items on the news of Auckland IT firms out on the streets
    with sandwich boards hoping to attract the attention of potential staff,
    or chatting up Barmy Army types (who are generally quite well-off to be
    here at all) on the chance they may like to stay.

    Something odd is going on....

    --

    Chas Right
    Charlie Right, Jun 21, 2005
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  15. Bruce Sinclair

    Bok Guest

    thing2 wrote:
    > It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    > contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get
    > now....
    >
    >
    > One for them was for CHCH.
    >
    > Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper?

    Not as far as I can tell. I've worked in IT in CHCH for 19 years now,
    before that I was based in Wellington.

    > I think not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

    I came across this survey of salary ranges for various IT roles in
    Australia and New Zealand:

    http://www.hays.com.au/salary/pdfs05/InformationTechnology.pdf

    The ranges look to be on the low side to me, but might be useful for
    comparison.
    Bok, Jun 21, 2005
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  17. Bruce Sinclair

    Bok Guest

    Bok, Jun 21, 2005
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  18. Bruce Sinclair

    Mr Scebe Guest

    "PAM." <> wrote in message
    news:gBMte.8969$...

    > Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him
    > the
    > equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.


    You should get some new skills. In order for a plasma to be a fifth of my
    salary it would have to be bigger than 60" ;)

    --
    Mr Scebe
    Losersh always whine about their 'besht'.
    Winnersh go home and **** the prom queen".
    ~Sean Connery in "The Rock"
    Mr Scebe, Jun 21, 2005
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  19. Bruce Sinclair

    thing Guest

    Charlie Right wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > thing2 <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
    >>contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....
    >>
    >>Its no wonder if there are vacancies going for long periods of time. If
    >>they are paying no better or worse than the existing job I cannot see
    >>the point of moving....so so much for the 3 contacts I had this week (so
    >>far).....

    >
    >
    > Yet we see items on the news of Auckland IT firms out on the streets
    > with sandwich boards hoping to attract the attention of potential staff,
    > or chatting up Barmy Army types (who are generally quite well-off to be
    > here at all) on the chance they may like to stay.
    >
    > Something odd is going on....


    I am scratching my head, there are jobs without a doubt, but it looks
    like unless you are well under paid where you are you are not going to
    be moving.....so, so far it looks like employers who are paying poorly
    are the ones having problems.

    I am certainly not moving to a wage cut.......

    regards

    Thing
    thing, Jun 21, 2005
    #19
  20. In article <qT_te.9202$>, "PAM." <> wrote:
    >"Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    >in message
    >
    >> Quite :) ... I mean that, in 3 months, that plasma TV that is currently
    >> costing 1/5 of your salary here could well be 1/10. I know people in the
    >> game ... and that is the sort of reduction they were seeing. It's all

    >timing
    >> and context and we are "further away" (from pretty much anywhere) ... can
    >> you wait ? :)

    >
    >Oh I can wait. Patience is something I certainly have plenty of. I wait. I
    >bide my time until they least suspect me, then I set about my plan of
    >destruction.


    ... you forgot ... bwaaa haaaa haaa ! :)


    Bruce


    -------------------------------------
    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
    - George Bernard Shaw
    Cynic, n: a blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.
    - Ambrose Bierce

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jun 21, 2005
    #20
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