Issue with Vista Home Premium SP1 and Maxtor HD

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Chris Wilkinson, Oct 25, 2008.

  1. Hi there,

    I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    hard disk trouble.

    During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...

    WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    I stop it doing that?

    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Oct 25, 2008
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  2. Hi there,

    Puddle wrote:
    > Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    >> Hi there,
    >>
    >> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    >> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    >> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    >> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    >> hard disk trouble.
    >>
    >> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    >> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    >> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    >> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    >> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    >> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    >> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
    >>
    >> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    >> I stop it doing that?

    >
    > No offense mate, but I have quite a few friends that settled in the UK,
    > most of them were in the bean counter class.. I am a aussie citizen and
    > watch the horders move from NZ to our fine shores.. it is understandable
    > of course!! :)


    None taken. I'm no bean counter, but my line of work involves
    the internal engineering of the glass towers that bean counters
    like to inhabit. Without my lovely drawings showing plumbers
    where to put water and sewerage all your bean counter mates would
    piss and shit in the streets, and drink outta the Thames...

    > the question is, why are you using vista??
    > use xp....


    Have you seen the price of XP here? Its cheaper to get Vista. The
    strategy MS use to "encourage" people to buy Vista, is to make XP
    so expensive for OEM's and system builders that they're more or less
    "forced" into buying Vista, to lower initial costs.

    > or.. do you like problem solving?


    I'm up for a challenge usually, but openSUSE in the 1.5 months
    it was used on said PC gave me fewer challenges in that time
    than did Vista on its 1st day... :-(

    I'm only putting Vista on it so some Windows drone will be more
    interested in buying it... :)

    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Oct 25, 2008
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  3. Re: Issue with thread-hijacking paid Windows Schill

    Hi there,

    impossible dribbled:
    >
    > "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
    > news:EFBMk.243581$2...
    >> Hi there,
    >>
    >> Puddle wrote:
    >>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    >>>> Hi there,
    >>>>
    >>>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    >>>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    >>>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    >>>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    >>>> hard disk trouble.
    >>>>
    >>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    >>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    >>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    >>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    >>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    >>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    >>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...

    >
    >>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    >>>> I stop it doing that?

    >
    > <shakes head> Not a "Vista" issue. But then you knew that, troll.


    Perhaps you would care to explain how that isn't a Vista issue?

    If you aren't gonna give me the benefit of the doubt before you
    jump in trolling, perhaps you should just **** off. I *am* trying
    to solve this issue, as the PC in question is for sale.

    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Oct 25, 2008
    #3
  4. Chris Wilkinson

    Enkidu Guest

    Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    > Hi there,
    >
    > I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    > we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    > to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    > 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    > hard disk trouble.
    >
    > During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    > test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    > physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    > the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    > it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    > reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    > boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
    >
    > WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    > I stop it doing that?
    >

    May be coincidence. Didja try to put linux on it again? If that bombs
    it's a coincidence. BTW I've done exactly that - removed Linux installed
    Windows only to find it wouldn't boot. Went back to Linux and it
    wouldn't install. Conclusion - the disk went belly up - reason unknown.

    Cheers,

    Cliff

    Cheers,

    Cliff

    --

    Tax is not theft.
     
    Enkidu, Oct 26, 2008
    #4
  5. Chris Wilkinson

    impossible Guest

    Re: Issue with thread-hijacking paid Windows Schill

    "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
    news:2lNMk.85796$2...
    > Hi there,
    >
    > impossible dribbled:
    >>
    >> "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
    >> news:EFBMk.243581$2...
    >>> Hi there,
    >>>
    >>> Puddle wrote:
    >>>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    >>>>> Hi there,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    >>>>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    >>>>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    >>>>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    >>>>> hard disk trouble.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    >>>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    >>>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    >>>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    >>>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    >>>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    >>>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...

    >>
    >>>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    >>>>> I stop it doing that?

    >>
    >> <shakes head> Not a "Vista" issue. But then you knew that, troll.

    >
    > Perhaps you would care to explain how that isn't a Vista issue?
    >


    Because Vista is an operating system. It doesn't "prevent a disk from
    booting" anymore than Suse Linux does.

    So do what any sensible person would do in the circumstance. Be sure that
    you have all the latest driver updates installed -- check especially for
    updates from your motherboard manufacturer, including bios updates. Check
    the system logs -- Vista provides plenty of information about all recorded
    faults.

    Then report back with detailed information and hope that you haven't so
    aggravated the knowledegable people here with your troll-bait that they
    can't be bothered helping you.
     
    impossible, Oct 26, 2008
    #5
  6. Re: Issue with thread-hijacking paid Windows Schill

    In article <2lNMk.85796$2>,
    says...
    > >>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    > >>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    > >>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    > >>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    > >>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    > >>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    > >>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...

    > >
    > >>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    > >>>> I stop it doing that?

    > >


    The success with the hard power down suggests to me that there may be an
    issue with critical memory getting corrupted/overwritten and that this
    persists through a soft reboot.

    I've had issues like that a few times (on XP Pro), I think an earlier
    version of Firefox was at fault, causing this after the machine had been
    up a week or two. Memory leak? Overflow error? Don't rightly know.

    Might even be some other hardware problem, one of our computers was
    getting more and more weird over the last 6 months, in the end I gave it
    a new mobo, cpu, ram (2nd hand stuff) and it got even weirder. Then it
    started beeping urgently after running a little while; thought it was
    overheating, but no. In the end it was a new psu that solved it.

    If that was my system there, I'd be swapping bits of hardware around to
    see if that makes any difference.

    -P.
     
    Peter Huebner, Oct 26, 2008
    #6
  7. Hi there,

    Enkidu wrote:
    > Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    >> Hi there,
    >>
    >> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    >> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    >> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    >> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    >> hard disk trouble.
    >>
    >> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    >> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    >> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    >> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    >> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    >> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    >> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
    >>
    >> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    >> I stop it doing that?
    >>

    > May be coincidence. Didja try to put linux on it again? If that bombs
    > it's a coincidence. BTW I've done exactly that - removed Linux installed
    > Windows only to find it wouldn't boot. Went back to Linux and it
    > wouldn't install. Conclusion - the disk went belly up - reason unknown.


    I didn't re-install SuSE, but did boot a Live SuSE DVD - SuSE could
    mount the hard disk, read/write it, and doing a check with fsck.ntfs
    found nothing untoward. Without the cold boot I could still not boot
    Vista. The disks smart monitoring reports everything to be AOK...

    Its odd, but Vista is behaving better, in that regard at least, of
    late. No crashes for a few days now...

    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Oct 26, 2008
    #7
  8. Re: Issue with thread-hijacking paid Windows Schill

    Hi there,

    impossible wrote:
    >
    > "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
    > news:2lNMk.85796$2...
    >> Hi there,
    >>
    >> impossible dribbled:
    >>>
    >>> "Chris Wilkinson" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:EFBMk.243581$2...
    >>>> Hi there,
    >>>>
    >>>> Puddle wrote:
    >>>>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    >>>>>> Hi there,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I recently installed Vista HP on our desktop in Edinburgh, so
    >>>>>> we can sell it before we leave Scottish shores and head home
    >>>>>> to NZ and Australia. Prior to that it had an install of openSUSE
    >>>>>> 11 and ran for the best part flawlessly, with no indication of
    >>>>>> hard disk trouble.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> During installation Vista locked up doing the initial performance
    >>>>>> test, and the hard disk would not boot after reset. I had to
    >>>>>> physically power down the machine and wait 30 seconds before
    >>>>>> the hard disk would boot again. Vista seems to run OK, but whenever
    >>>>>> it crashes (1-2 times weekly) again the hard disk will not boot on
    >>>>>> reset, and requires a physical power-down and wait before it will
    >>>>>> boot. The disk is a mid-priced Maxtor SATA2 one...
    >>>
    >>>>>> WTF is Vista doing that will prevent a disk from booting? And can
    >>>>>> I stop it doing that?
    >>>
    >>> <shakes head> Not a "Vista" issue. But then you knew that, troll.

    >>
    >> Perhaps you would care to explain how that isn't a Vista issue?

    >
    > Because Vista is an operating system. It doesn't "prevent a disk from
    > booting" anymore than Suse Linux does.
    >
    > So do what any sensible person would do in the circumstance. Be sure
    > that you have all the latest driver updates installed -- check
    > especially for updates from your motherboard manufacturer, including
    > bios updates. Check the system logs -- Vista provides plenty of
    > information about all recorded faults.


    Latest BIOS, latest nForce drivers - all is as up-to-date as it
    can be. It actually required a cold boot when I did the BIOS and
    drivers update last week - soft booting meant the hard disk would
    not bootload. Since then I've set the disk to cableselect as an
    experiment, and that seems to have helped but not solved the issue.

    > Then report back with detailed information and hope that you haven't so
    > aggravated the knowledegable people here with your troll-bait that they
    > can't be bothered helping you.


    So you jumping in and not offering anything useful is kosher is it?
    Your first reply contained nothing other than a useless assertion,
    and accusatory remark. Perhaps, if you are prepared to make such a
    suggestion to me, you should follow your own advice.

    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Oct 26, 2008
    #8
  9. Re: Issue with thread-hijacking paid Windows Schill

    In article <QW1Nk.72991$2>,
    says...
    >
    > So you jumping in and not offering anything useful is kosher is it?
    > Your first reply contained nothing other than a useless assertion,
    > and accusatory remark. Perhaps, if you are prepared to make such a
    > suggestion to me, you should follow your own advice.
    >
    > Kind regards,
    >
    > Chris Wilkinson, Edinburgh.
    >


    Chris, his handle really says it all: it's *impossible* to have a
    meaningful discussion with him. Just don't bother, it's not worth the
    effort; he doesn't get it, whatever you say and however you rephrase.
    I only see his posts when he's annoyed somebody else (like you) with his
    dimwitted conjecture.

    -Peter
     
    Peter Huebner, Oct 26, 2008
    #9
  10. Re: Issue with thread-hijacking paid Windows Schill

    In message <>, Peter Huebner
    wrote:

    > Chris, his handle really says it all: it's *impossible* to have a
    > meaningful discussion with him.


    I wonder if he's the same character as Loverock Davidson...
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Oct 26, 2008
    #10
  11. In message <49058fd0$>, Enkidu wrote:

    > Don't those SATA2 disks have firmware as well? Might be worth checking.


    When was the last time you heard of anybody upgrading firmware on a hard
    drive?
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Oct 27, 2008
    #11
  12. Chris Wilkinson

    Enkidu Guest

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > In message <49058fd0$>, Enkidu wrote:
    >
    >> Don't those SATA2 disks have firmware as well? Might be worth checking.

    >
    > When was the last time you heard of anybody upgrading firmware on a hard
    > drive?
    >

    I've done it many times, on HP hardware and SCSI drives, but not that I
    remember on SATA. (That's why the question mark over SATA drives)
    Firmware Updates CDs from HP often include firmware updates for the
    drives themselves.

    Cheers,

    Cliff

    --

    Tax is not theft.
     
    Enkidu, Oct 27, 2008
    #12
  13. Chris Wilkinson

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Enkidu" typed:
    > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >> In message <49058fd0$>, Enkidu wrote:
    >>
    >>> Don't those SATA2 disks have firmware as well? Might be worth
    >>> checking.

    >>
    >> When was the last time you heard of anybody upgrading firmware on a
    >> hard drive?
    >>

    > I've done it many times, on HP hardware and SCSI drives, but not that
    > I remember on SATA. (That's why the question mark over SATA drives)
    > Firmware Updates CDs from HP often include firmware updates for the
    > drives themselves.


    Hi Cliff,


    I have a couple Seagate SATA II 320GB HDD with the (in)famous 3.AAK
    firmware. I got hold of Seagate support and started a dialogue with them.
    What it came down to was I wanted different firmware (this model of drive
    came out either optimised for small files / slower through-put (the firmware
    I have) or high through-put but suffered with smaller files.

    The 3.AAK firmware is actually better for an OS drive as it loads faster
    (small files) but my drives are used for data storage where I want big files
    to fly off them fast. After much asking, pleading, cajoling and finally
    getting shitty with them Seagate assured me that there was no way outside of
    their labs to update firmware on their consumer grade HDDs and finally,
    reluctantly offered to swap them for drives with the other firmware. As I
    didn't have the space to store the data meantime and the difference isn't
    that huge I decilned the offer.

    Seagate and Maxtor drives are made by the same company.

    Cheers,
    --
    Shaun.

    DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
    offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
    If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
    me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)
     
    ~misfit~, Oct 27, 2008
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