Is there a clearing house for 64-bit XP issues?

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by =?Utf-8?B?VG9ueSBTdQ==?=, Jun 14, 2005.

  1. Have been running 64-bit XP on my 6200+ Athlon64 laptop this past month plus,
    and the experience has been less than overwhelming...

    Am going to try a new re-install (repairs don't seem to resolve) to address
    an escalating problem with Windows Explorer... I wonder if it's a native app
    or maybe more likely a 32-bit mutexed version. Re-boots only solve the
    problem for the moment, but return during the session. With current tools I
    can't tell if it's a memory leak or specific conflict.

    Not Microsoft's problem, but ATI's OEM drivers are the best vs. Microsoft or
    the laptop's manufacturer drivers... but unfortunately their installation
    utility does not know how to recognize mobile processors. The driver can be
    manually installed but no supporting utilities are installable. Asking ATI's
    frontline help to pass the specific request to fix the installation routine
    is like cracking rocks... They're helpful but limited.

    Am still waiting to see if Sprint's partners will write a dialup program
    which will run in 64-bit.

    Bottom line, I'll keep the 64-bit for curiousity and investigative purposes,
    but for a number of reasons, some MS' responsibility and some others'
    responsibilities but it's not ready for Prime Time on the desktop.

    Cool stuff is that VMWare runs fine as a Host, but I haven't detected any
    special benefit so the app is probably just 32-bit compatible.

    Games which run fine are Warcraft III, SimCity4 and Silent Hunter III, but
    IMO they run better in 32-bit using the ATI OEM drivers.

    IMO.

    --
    Tony Su
    www.su-networking.com
    ISA
    SBS
    Enterprise Mobile Solutions Architect
     
    =?Utf-8?B?VG9ueSBTdQ==?=, Jun 14, 2005
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  2. =?Utf-8?B?VG9ueSBTdQ==?=

    MHPNW STAFF Guest

    You have 1 fast laptop....Tony Lol

    Dennis


    "Tony Su" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Have been running 64-bit XP on my 6200+ Athlon64 laptop this past month
    > plus,
    > and the experience has been less than overwhelming...
    >
    > Am going to try a new re-install (repairs don't seem to resolve) to
    > address
    > an escalating problem with Windows Explorer... I wonder if it's a native
    > app
    > or maybe more likely a 32-bit mutexed version. Re-boots only solve the
    > problem for the moment, but return during the session. With current tools
    > I
    > can't tell if it's a memory leak or specific conflict.
    >
    > Not Microsoft's problem, but ATI's OEM drivers are the best vs. Microsoft
    > or
    > the laptop's manufacturer drivers... but unfortunately their installation
    > utility does not know how to recognize mobile processors. The driver can
    > be
    > manually installed but no supporting utilities are installable. Asking
    > ATI's
    > frontline help to pass the specific request to fix the installation
    > routine
    > is like cracking rocks... They're helpful but limited.
    >
    > Am still waiting to see if Sprint's partners will write a dialup program
    > which will run in 64-bit.
    >
    > Bottom line, I'll keep the 64-bit for curiousity and investigative
    > purposes,
    > but for a number of reasons, some MS' responsibility and some others'
    > responsibilities but it's not ready for Prime Time on the desktop.
    >
    > Cool stuff is that VMWare runs fine as a Host, but I haven't detected any
    > special benefit so the app is probably just 32-bit compatible.
    >
    > Games which run fine are Warcraft III, SimCity4 and Silent Hunter III, but
    > IMO they run better in 32-bit using the ATI OEM drivers.
    >
    > IMO.
    >
    > --
    > Tony Su
    > www.su-networking.com
    > ISA
    > SBS
    > Enterprise Mobile Solutions Architect
     
    MHPNW STAFF, Jun 14, 2005
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  3. MHPNW STAFF wrote:

    > You have 1 fast laptop....Tony Lol
    >
    > Dennis
    >
    >
    > "Tony Su" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Have been running 64-bit XP on my 6200+ Athlon64 laptop this past month
    > > plus,
    > > and the experience has been less than overwhelming...
    > >


    Overclocking is fun, isn't it... <g>

    --
    Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
    ---------------------------------------
    MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
     
    Steve Foster [SBS MVP], Jun 14, 2005
    #3
  4. "Tony Su" wrote:

    > Have been running 64-bit XP on my 6200+ Athlon64 laptop this past month plus,
    > and the experience has been less than overwhelming...
    >
    > Am going to try a new re-install (repairs don't seem to resolve) to address
    > an escalating problem with Windows Explorer... I wonder if it's a native app
    > or maybe more likely a 32-bit mutexed version. Re-boots only solve the
    > problem for the moment, but return during the session. With current tools I
    > can't tell if it's a memory leak or specific conflict.
    >
    > Not Microsoft's problem, but ATI's OEM drivers are the best vs. Microsoft or
    > the laptop's manufacturer drivers... but unfortunately their installation
    > utility does not know how to recognize mobile processors. The driver can be
    > manually installed but no supporting utilities are installable. Asking ATI's
    > frontline help to pass the specific request to fix the installation routine
    > is like cracking rocks... They're helpful but limited.
    >
    > Am still waiting to see if Sprint's partners will write a dialup program
    > which will run in 64-bit.
    >
    > Bottom line, I'll keep the 64-bit for curiousity and investigative purposes,
    > but for a number of reasons, some MS' responsibility and some others'
    > responsibilities but it's not ready for Prime Time on the desktop.
    >
    > Cool stuff is that VMWare runs fine as a Host, but I haven't detected any
    > special benefit so the app is probably just 32-bit compatible.
    >
    > Games which run fine are Warcraft III, SimCity4 and Silent Hunter III, but
    > IMO they run better in 32-bit using the ATI OEM drivers.
    >
    > IMO.
    >
    > --
    > Tony Su
    > www.su-networking.com
    > ISA
    > SBS
    > Enterprise Mobile Solutions Architect


    Besides the fact that some KB articles cover x64 editions, the following
    resource has a troubleshooting section for x64 Pro :
    http://support.microsoft.com/windowsxpprox64

    As far as Microsoft's "responsability" towards an OEM version, it certainly
    feels like you would have to roll your sleeves as a "Solutions Architect"....
    Also it seems to me the main benefit of x64 was to overcome the 4GB memory
    barrier (without PAE), and it does not look like the mobile or Pentium 4
    crowds are there yet. Hopefully ATI will spend more time with Prefast and
    other verification tools, and possibly release the *.pdb files to the public,
    at least until the Microsoft WHQL version.
    One funny thing about ATI is that the Rage XL drivers (found on many dual
    Opteron motherboards) were in the x64 server editions, but not in XP Pro.
     
    =?Utf-8?B?Q2hyaXM=?=, Jun 14, 2005
    #4
  5. Ah, you guys!
    Finger-fehler!
    It's an Athlon 3200+

    Tony

    "Steve Foster [SBS MVP]" wrote:

    > MHPNW STAFF wrote:
    >
    > > You have 1 fast laptop....Tony Lol
    > >
    > > Dennis
    > >
    > >
    > > "Tony Su" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Have been running 64-bit XP on my 6200+ Athlon64 laptop this past month
    > > > plus,
    > > > and the experience has been less than overwhelming...
    > > >

    >
    > Overclocking is fun, isn't it... <g>
    >
    > --
    > Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
    > ---------------------------------------
    > MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Please reply only to the newsgroups.
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?VG9ueSBTdQ==?=, Jun 14, 2005
    #5
  6. From what I've read,
    x86 support for the 64-bit memory space was done using PAE, although it
    might be differently than how it's done in the 32-bit world.

    Will take a look at the KB article you referenced (and any others that might
    be suggested), but I consider teh Windows Explorer issue an issue only MS is
    responsible for, and should not be affected by any third party drivers (I'm
    not running any Explorer add-ons or shells).

    Thx,

    Tony

    "Chris" wrote:

    > "Tony Su" wrote:
    >
    > > Have been running 64-bit XP on my 6200+ Athlon64 laptop this past month plus,
    > > and the experience has been less than overwhelming...
    > >
    > > Am going to try a new re-install (repairs don't seem to resolve) to address
    > > an escalating problem with Windows Explorer... I wonder if it's a native app
    > > or maybe more likely a 32-bit mutexed version. Re-boots only solve the
    > > problem for the moment, but return during the session. With current tools I
    > > can't tell if it's a memory leak or specific conflict.
    > >
    > > Not Microsoft's problem, but ATI's OEM drivers are the best vs. Microsoft or
    > > the laptop's manufacturer drivers... but unfortunately their installation
    > > utility does not know how to recognize mobile processors. The driver can be
    > > manually installed but no supporting utilities are installable. Asking ATI's
    > > frontline help to pass the specific request to fix the installation routine
    > > is like cracking rocks... They're helpful but limited.
    > >
    > > Am still waiting to see if Sprint's partners will write a dialup program
    > > which will run in 64-bit.
    > >
    > > Bottom line, I'll keep the 64-bit for curiousity and investigative purposes,
    > > but for a number of reasons, some MS' responsibility and some others'
    > > responsibilities but it's not ready for Prime Time on the desktop.
    > >
    > > Cool stuff is that VMWare runs fine as a Host, but I haven't detected any
    > > special benefit so the app is probably just 32-bit compatible.
    > >
    > > Games which run fine are Warcraft III, SimCity4 and Silent Hunter III, but
    > > IMO they run better in 32-bit using the ATI OEM drivers.
    > >
    > > IMO.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Tony Su
    > > www.su-networking.com
    > > ISA
    > > SBS
    > > Enterprise Mobile Solutions Architect

    >
    > Besides the fact that some KB articles cover x64 editions, the following
    > resource has a troubleshooting section for x64 Pro :
    > http://support.microsoft.com/windowsxpprox64
    >
    > As far as Microsoft's "responsability" towards an OEM version, it certainly
    > feels like you would have to roll your sleeves as a "Solutions Architect"....
    > Also it seems to me the main benefit of x64 was to overcome the 4GB memory
    > barrier (without PAE), and it does not look like the mobile or Pentium 4
    > crowds are there yet. Hopefully ATI will spend more time with Prefast and
    > other verification tools, and possibly release the *.pdb files to the public,
    > at least until the Microsoft WHQL version.
    > One funny thing about ATI is that the Rage XL drivers (found on many dual
    > Opteron motherboards) were in the x64 server editions, but not in XP Pro.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?VG9ueSBTdQ==?=, Jun 14, 2005
    #6
  7. "Tony Su" wrote:
    > From what I've read,
    > x86 support for the 64-bit memory space was done using PAE, although it
    > might be differently than how it's done in the 32-bit world.
    >
    > Will take a look at the KB article you referenced (and any others that might
    > be suggested), but I consider teh Windows Explorer issue an issue only MS is
    > responsible for, and should not be affected by any third party drivers (I'm
    > not running any Explorer add-ons or shells).
    >
    > Thx,
    >
    > Tony


    The 4-level 48-bit addressing of current x64 implementations might remind of
    PAE as far 64-bit Page Table Entries descriptors , but I don't think such
    mechanism relates or uses PAE at all.

    What kind of issue are you having with Windows Explorer ?
    One benefit of this newsgroup is that many of us can try the same to see
    whether the behavior exists in different environments.
     
    =?Utf-8?B?Q2hyaXM=?=, Jun 14, 2005
    #7
  8. Every time it opens or refreshes, it's slower and slower.

    Task Manager does not indicate any kind of load whatsoever on processing or
    memory, vast amounts of resources are unused. I don't think any background
    process should be affecting Explorer, and Task Manager doesn't indicate
    anything.

    BTW - I haven't tried it, but is there anything that should work in 64-bit
    like Process Explorer? I haven't tried that app, in fact it would be <very>
    useful to know what kinds of utilities exist (ie. Haven't looked for one, but
    does a 64-bit XP or Win2K3 RK exist?).

    The install was relatively new (about 1 1/2 months), did have Whidbey Beta 2
    on it, but I don't think that affected anything. There was no change for a
    long time after that was installed.

    Anyway, am getting ready to blow it away and re-install...

    Tony



    "Chris" wrote:

    > "Tony Su" wrote:
    > > From what I've read,
    > > x86 support for the 64-bit memory space was done using PAE, although it
    > > might be differently than how it's done in the 32-bit world.
    > >
    > > Will take a look at the KB article you referenced (and any others that might
    > > be suggested), but I consider teh Windows Explorer issue an issue only MS is
    > > responsible for, and should not be affected by any third party drivers (I'm
    > > not running any Explorer add-ons or shells).
    > >
    > > Thx,
    > >
    > > Tony

    >
    > The 4-level 48-bit addressing of current x64 implementations might remind of
    > PAE as far 64-bit Page Table Entries descriptors , but I don't think such
    > mechanism relates or uses PAE at all.
    >
    > What kind of issue are you having with Windows Explorer ?
    > One benefit of this newsgroup is that many of us can try the same to see
    > whether the behavior exists in different environments.
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?VG9ueSBTdQ==?=, Jun 15, 2005
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