Is Lunix Now Dead..?

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  1. Tony

    Tony Guest

    Tony, Jul 17, 2005
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  2. Tony

    thingy Guest

    Tony wrote:
    >
    >
    > Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >
    >
    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24638
    >
    >


    ".........Last up is the EF online zone, which is one of those portals
    where you are a captive, and can 'freely choose' to spend your money in
    the ways they want you to but only on the limited selections they offer.
    There will be 'exclusive content' for those who appropriately tithe,
    think the latest Brittney pablum for those with short attention spans.
    Don't expect anything that you can't find on the web for less, you are
    captive and you have large corporate profit margins to support........."

    ".....That is what you are in for, an inferior product that sells you
    out for more money. There will be EF devices, EF branded content and
    probably EF branded contraceptives to use while watching EF branded
    porn......"

    lol

    so enticing.....another dead end.....look how well Intel is doing in the
    performance stakes...not...then there is the anti-trust action......

    Its a specialised platform for MCE, nothing more nothing less, i expect
    it will sell really well....read zilch.....

    I think I commented about the coming fork I think will happen, those on
    OSS and those on Closed.......bye tony......enjoy!

    :]

    regards

    Thing
    thingy, Jul 17, 2005
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  3. On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    scrawl:

    >
    >
    >
    > Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >

    Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    desperate hack.

    --
    Matthew Poole
    "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
    Matthew Poole, Jul 17, 2005
    #3
  4. In article <>, Matthew Poole <> wrote:
    >On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    >scrawl:


    >> Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>

    >Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    >considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    >desperate hack.


    Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    ?

    <Puts up hand>

    1




    Bruce

    ----------------------------------------
    I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good
    people and the bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and
    only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.

    Lord Vetinari in Guards ! Guards ! - Terry Pratchett

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jul 17, 2005
    #4
  5. Tony

    AD. Guest

    On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, Tony wrote:

    > Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >
    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24638


    Only if you think being able to 'consume' DRMed content is a requirement
    for an operating system to 'live'.

    Now Woger, if this Intel DRM stuff becomes widespread you would've been
    part of the problem rather than part of the solution. After all, you've
    been the one sticking up for Intel and criticising the operating systems
    that would've prevented this happening if they were more popular. Unless
    perhaps you want this sort of DRM maybe?

    --
    Cheers
    Anton
    AD., Jul 17, 2005
    #5
  6. Tony

    PAM. Guest

    "Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    in message
    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by

    choice
    > ?
    >
    > <Puts up hand>
    >
    > 1



    Make that 2 (Only because I heard that Intel were gonna fix their chip to M$
    a while ago)

    PAM.
    PAM., Jul 18, 2005
    #6
  7. In article <99CCe.1283$>, "PAM." <> wrote:
    >"Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    >in message
    >> Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by

    >choice
    >> ?
    >>
    >> <Puts up hand>
    >>
    >> 1


    >Make that 2 (Only because I heard that Intel were gonna fix their chip to M$
    >a while ago)


    Likewise. That was a consumer saying "no way!". :)



    Bruce

    ----------------------------------------
    I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good
    people and the bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and
    only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.

    Lord Vetinari in Guards ! Guards ! - Terry Pratchett

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jul 18, 2005
    #7
  8. Tony

    ronwill Guest

    On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:57:35 +0000, Bruce Sinclair wrote:



    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice


    Count me in

    ron
    ronwill, Jul 18, 2005
    #8
  9. Tony

    Bret Guest

    On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:57:35 GMT,
    z (Bruce Sinclair)
    wrote:

    >In article <>, Matthew Poole <> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    >>scrawl:

    >
    >>> Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>>

    >>Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    >>considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    >>desperate hack.

    >
    >Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    >?
    >
    ><Puts up hand>
    >
    >1


    Yes, the P4 put me off.
    Bret, Jul 18, 2005
    #9
  10. On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:57:35 +0000, someone purporting to be Bruce
    Sinclair didst scrawl:

    > In article <>, Matthew Poole <> wrote:

    *SNIP*
    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    > ?
    >
    > <Puts up hand>
    >
    > 1
    >

    Aye. Though in my case it's FreeBSD by preference. I'll take my AMD64
    over an Intel any day, and would certainly not recommend Intel to a
    company that was looking for a platform to standardise to - not least
    because Intel are anti-competitive and anti-innovation.

    --
    Matthew Poole
    "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
    Matthew Poole, Jul 18, 2005
    #10
  11. Tony

    MarkH Guest

    z (Bruce Sinclair) wrote
    in news:ynBCe.1270$:

    > In article <>, Matthew Poole
    > <> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony
    >>didst scrawl:

    >
    >>> Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>>

    >>Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly
    >>their considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to
    >>Intel's desperate hack.

    >
    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by
    > choice ?
    >
    ><Puts up hand>
    >
    > 1


    I currently use an Intel CPU and my M/Board chipset is made by Intel. I
    currently run MS Windows on my 3 PCs.

    My next upgrade will be later this year (finances allowing) and I think
    that this time I will buy a M/Board with an Nvidia Chipset and a CPU made
    by AMD.

    I am currently teaching myself Linux and will look at changing my #2 and #3
    to Linux. My main PC might end up dual booting between XP Pro 64bit and a
    64bit version of Linux.

    As a consumer I am starting to get pissed off with MS and Intel, I think
    Linux and AMD will benefit greatly from the anti MS/Intel backlash over the
    next 2 to 3 years.


    --
    Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
    See my pics at www.gigatech.co.nz (last updated 25-June-05)
    "There are 10 types of people, those that
    understand binary and those that don't"
    MarkH, Jul 19, 2005
    #11
  12. Hi there,

    Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > In article <>, Matthew Poole <> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    >>scrawl:

    >
    >
    >>>Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>>

    >>
    >>Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    >>considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    >>desperate hack.

    >
    >
    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    > ?


    I exclusively have, and will continue to use AMD with Linux in
    preference to Intel...why?

    a) AMD do true 64-bit cheaper than Intel...
    b) AMD CPU's may not have the clock speeds, but they
    are more efficient, so negating the need to match
    Intel MHz for MHz...
    c) Intel are more likely to create CPU's that feature
    on-chip DRM and controls on operating systems, as a
    part of the 'Trusted Computing Group' initiatives...
    d) Intel are a monopoly, and are engaging in various
    anti-competitive business practices. Being a monopoly
    is fine, but only if that position comes from making
    better CPU's than others...Intel currently do not make
    the best CPU's, and are resorting to underhanded shit
    to retain their monopoly share...

    --
    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Brisbane, Australia.
    Anyone wishing to email me directly can remove the obvious
    spamblocker, and replace it with t p g <dot> c o m <dot> a u

    Software patents are killing YOUR freedom, STOP THEM NOW!
    http://swpat.ffii.org/ http://nosoftwarepatents.com/
    Chris Wilkinson, Jul 19, 2005
    #12
  13. Tony

    Tony Guest

    On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:40 +1000, Chris Wilkinson <>
    wrote:

    >Hi there,
    >
    >Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    >> In article <>, Matthew Poole <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    >>>scrawl:

    >>
    >>
    >>>>Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    >>>considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    >>>desperate hack.

    >>
    >>
    >> Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    >> ?

    >
    >I exclusively have, and will continue to use AMD with Linux in
    >preference to Intel...why?
    >
    >a) AMD do true 64-bit cheaper than Intel...
    >b) AMD CPU's may not have the clock speeds, but they
    > are more efficient, so negating the need to match
    > Intel MHz for MHz...
    >c) Intel are more likely to create CPU's that feature
    > on-chip DRM and controls on operating systems, as a
    > part of the 'Trusted Computing Group' initiatives...


    And AMD also.

    >d) Intel are a monopoly, and are engaging in various
    > anti-competitive business practices. Being a monopoly
    > is fine, but only if that position comes from making
    > better CPU's than others...Intel currently do not make
    > the best CPU's, and are resorting to underhanded shit
    > to retain their monopoly share...


    They are Not a Monopoly as plenty of other firms make CPU's and support
    chips.


    Do you believe all the Internet Hot Air..
    Tony, Jul 19, 2005
    #13
  14. Tony

    thing2 Guest

    Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > In article <>, Matthew Poole <> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    >>scrawl:

    >
    >
    >>>Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>>

    >>
    >>Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    >>considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    >>desperate hack.

    >
    >
    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    > ?
    >
    > <Puts up hand>
    >
    > 1
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Bruce


    If Dell did Opteron I would be building 2 or 3 SMP AMD boxes a
    month....sometimes in a day.

    Next year we have a server room refresh.....hoping to say bye bye to
    Dell....and this is one of the reasons.

    regards

    thing
    thing2, Jul 19, 2005
    #14
  15. In article <>, thing2 <> wrote:
    >Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    >> In article <>, Matthew Poole

    > <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +1200, someone purporting to be Tony didst
    >>>scrawl:

    >>
    >>
    >>>>Only if you use Intel may be..?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>Ah well, no great loss. AMD have better CPUs anyway, particularly their
    >>>considered and architected dual-core system - as opposed to Intel's
    >>>desperate hack.

    >>
    >>
    >> Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    >> ?
    >>
    >> <Puts up hand>
    >>
    >> 1


    >If Dell did Opteron I would be building 2 or 3 SMP AMD boxes a
    >month....sometimes in a day.
    >
    >Next year we have a server room refresh.....hoping to say bye bye to
    >Dell....and this is one of the reasons.


    Yes. I called dell a few years ago and asked them for a few mods to their
    system. First thing I said was "AMD chip" ... and they said "we can't do
    that".

    When pressed, they modified this to "we won't do this" ... and I had
    then already worked out their customer service sucked :)

    I bought something else :)

    Bruce

    ----------------------------------------
    I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good
    people and the bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and
    only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.

    Lord Vetinari in Guards ! Guards ! - Terry Pratchett

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jul 19, 2005
    #15
  16. In article <5qiDe.419649$>, MarkH <> wrote:
    > (Bruce Sinclair) wrote
    >in news:0teDe.1742$:
    >> In article <>, thing2
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Next year we have a server room refresh.....hoping to say bye bye to
    >>>Dell....and this is one of the reasons.

    >>
    >> Yes. I called dell a few years ago and asked them for a few mods to
    >> their system. First thing I said was "AMD chip" ... and they said "we
    >> can't do that".
    >>
    >> When pressed, they modified this to "we won't do this" ... and I had
    >> then already worked out their customer service sucked :)

    >
    >Surely it makes sense for them to say what they said? You want to mod a
    >system by changing the CPU to one that won't fit on the M/Board - what did
    >you expect their response to be?


    The AMD won't fit on the M/B ? ... I would have thought that was a better
    thing to say than either of "we can't" or "we won't" fit one.
    They actually (eventually) said 'we have a deal with intel and can only sell
    them' ... or something similar.

    >Of course I wouldn't consider buying a Dell, I like to choose my M/Board
    >and CPU and HDD and RAM and Case and Video Card and DVD Writer and keyboard
    >and mouse and monitor and . . .
    >
    >I would say that Dell is sub-optimal for fussy PC buyers, but they are
    >aiming at the mass market so I don't criticise them for that (but also
    >don't buy from or recommend them).


    I won't be considering them as a real option in future.



    Bruce

    ----------------------------------------
    I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good
    people and the bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and
    only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.

    Lord Vetinari in Guards ! Guards ! - Terry Pratchett

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jul 20, 2005
    #16
  17. Tony

    MarkH Guest

    z (Bruce Sinclair) wrote
    in news:0teDe.1742$:

    > In article <>, thing2
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>Next year we have a server room refresh.....hoping to say bye bye to
    >>Dell....and this is one of the reasons.

    >
    > Yes. I called dell a few years ago and asked them for a few mods to
    > their system. First thing I said was "AMD chip" ... and they said "we
    > can't do that".
    >
    > When pressed, they modified this to "we won't do this" ... and I had
    > then already worked out their customer service sucked :)


    Surely it makes sense for them to say what they said? You want to mod a
    system by changing the CPU to one that won't fit on the M/Board - what did
    you expect their response to be?

    Of course I wouldn't consider buying a Dell, I like to choose my M/Board
    and CPU and HDD and RAM and Case and Video Card and DVD Writer and keyboard
    and mouse and monitor and . . .

    I would say that Dell is sub-optimal for fussy PC buyers, but they are
    aiming at the mass market so I don't criticise them for that (but also
    don't buy from or recommend them).


    --
    Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
    See my pics at www.gigatech.co.nz (last updated 25-June-05)
    "There are 10 types of people, those that
    understand binary and those that don't"
    MarkH, Jul 20, 2005
    #17
  18. Hi there,

    Tony wrote:
    > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:40 +1000, Chris Wilkinson <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    >>
    >>>Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by choice
    >>>?

    >>
    >>I exclusively have, and will continue to use AMD with Linux in
    >>preference to Intel...why?
    >>
    >>a) AMD do true 64-bit cheaper than Intel...
    >>b) AMD CPU's may not have the clock speeds, but they
    >> are more efficient, so negating the need to match
    >> Intel MHz for MHz...
    >>c) Intel are more likely to create CPU's that feature
    >> on-chip DRM and controls on operating systems, as a
    >> part of the 'Trusted Computing Group' initiatives...

    >
    > And AMD also.


    Yes they are a part of that group, but they have not made as
    much noise about those issues as Intel...

    >>d) Intel are a monopoly, and are engaging in various
    >> anti-competitive business practices. Being a monopoly
    >> is fine, but only if that position comes from making
    >> better CPU's than others...Intel currently do not make
    >> the best CPU's, and are resorting to underhanded shit
    >> to retain their monopoly share...

    >
    > They are Not a Monopoly as plenty of other firms make CPU's and support
    > chips.


    Anyone who reputedly has 80% of the x86 CPU market is as close as
    practicable to being a monopoly. Its simple math...

    > Do you believe all the Internet Hot Air..


    Yes of course I do, like I believe that I will fall of the edge of
    the earth if I walk too close to the horizon...not! :)

    --
    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Brisbane, Australia.
    Anyone wishing to email me directly can remove the obvious
    spamblocker, and replace it with t p g <dot> c o m <dot> a u

    Software patents are killing YOUR freedom, STOP THEM NOW!
    http://swpat.ffii.org/ http://nosoftwarepatents.com/
    Chris Wilkinson, Jul 20, 2005
    #18
  19. Tony

    Peter Guest

    Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD by
    > choice ?


    Mandriva running on AMD here.
    I bought the Athlon CPU on a performance / $ basis a few years back, but I
    would definitely avoid buying something that tried to limit my freedom of
    choice (such as the Intel idea of forcing you to use Microsoft OS).


    Peter
    Peter, Jul 21, 2005
    #19
  20. Tony

    shannon Guest

    Chris Wilkinson wrote:
    > Hi there,
    >
    > Tony wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:40 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
    >> <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Raises and interesting question. How many linux users also use AMD
    >>>> by choice ?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I exclusively have, and will continue to use AMD with Linux in
    >>> preference to Intel...why?
    >>>
    >>> a) AMD do true 64-bit cheaper than Intel...
    >>> b) AMD CPU's may not have the clock speeds, but they
    >>> are more efficient, so negating the need to match
    >>> Intel MHz for MHz...
    >>> c) Intel are more likely to create CPU's that feature
    >>> on-chip DRM and controls on operating systems, as a
    >>> part of the 'Trusted Computing Group' initiatives...

    >>
    >>
    >> And AMD also.

    >
    >
    > Yes they are a part of that group, but they have not made as
    > much noise about those issues as Intel...
    >
    >>> d) Intel are a monopoly, and are engaging in various
    >>> anti-competitive business practices. Being a monopoly
    >>> is fine, but only if that position comes from making
    >>> better CPU's than others...Intel currently do not make
    >>> the best CPU's, and are resorting to underhanded shit
    >>> to retain their monopoly share...

    >>
    >>
    >> They are Not a Monopoly as plenty of other firms make CPU's and support
    >> chips.

    >
    >
    > Anyone who reputedly has 80% of the x86 CPU market is as close as
    > practicable to being a monopoly. Its simple math...
    >


    Nope, its not a mathematical definition

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolies
    shannon, Jul 22, 2005
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