Is it worth getting certified with Whidbey around the corner?

Discussion in 'MCAD' started by orekinbck@yahoo.com.au, Jul 16, 2005.

  1. Guest

    Hi There

    I am working full time as a C# developer and hope to achieve MCAD by
    early 2006 and MCSD by mid 2006 (if I study hard).

    However, am I wasting my time ? Does anyone know what is going to
    happen with the .NET certification path ? Will there be an 'upgrade'
    exam to Whidbey or will I have to take 5 exams again ?

    Thanks In Advance
    Bill
    , Jul 16, 2005
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  2. Fernando Guest

    When i first think to achieve MCAD, i had the same doubt
    But i decide to go on regardless what happen with the .net path.
    Now i`m MCAD (i took about five months )
    i sugest you to do the same...go on an achieve your cert

    What people say is that there will be an upgrade exam for .net 2.0, but i'm
    sure before it be released i will already have achieve the mcsd and mcdba.


    <> escreveu na mensagem
    news:...
    > Hi There
    >
    > I am working full time as a C# developer and hope to achieve MCAD by
    > early 2006 and MCSD by mid 2006 (if I study hard).
    >
    > However, am I wasting my time ? Does anyone know what is going to
    > happen with the .NET certification path ? Will there be an 'upgrade'
    > exam to Whidbey or will I have to take 5 exams again ?
    >
    > Thanks In Advance
    > Bill
    >
    Fernando, Jul 16, 2005
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  3. Take a look at the article on
    http://www.mcpmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=821. Yup, the cert is
    significantly changing. There is an upgrade path to those who are certified
    in previous versions of .Net.

    As to whether it's worth upgrading from MCSD to the new certs is up to you,
    although I might wait for the feedback cycle that's sure to start by the end
    of the year.

    --
    RL (2.0) Coppedge, MCSE/MCDBA/MCT
    NorthEast Ohio
    www.RLCoppedge.com
    RLCoppedge <around> hotmail <not dash, but...> com

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi There
    >
    > I am working full time as a C# developer and hope to achieve MCAD by
    > early 2006 and MCSD by mid 2006 (if I study hard).
    >
    > However, am I wasting my time ? Does anyone know what is going to
    > happen with the .NET certification path ? Will there be an 'upgrade'
    > exam to Whidbey or will I have to take 5 exams again ?
    >
    > Thanks In Advance
    > Bill
    >
    RL \(Bob\) Coppedge, MCSE/MCDBA/MCT, Jul 16, 2005
    #3
  4. Guest

    Thanks Bob, that's exactly the kind of info I was after.

    Do you know when in September they will release the certification
    details for Whidbey ?

    I'm starting to wonder about the whole certification thing - whether it
    is worth it at all!! It takes such an effort to work full time and
    study, then at most your certifications only last a few years ... Think
    about the amount of effort it would have taken to keep certified over
    the last 5 years ... If you got MCSD in VS6, then that was 4 exams.
    Then MCSD in .NET 2003, that was another 5 exams (potentially 4 if you
    had the right elective). Then another 2 exams for .NET 2005. That's
    11 exams in 5 years !!!

    And who knows what it will take to 'keep certified' over the next 20
    years !?!? There is sure to be a couple more 'paradigm shifts' which
    will require getting a whole new certification (like from VS6 to .NET).

    I suppose I'll just do 70-316 and re-assess when the new exam schedules
    come out.

    Cheers
    Bill
    , Jul 17, 2005
    #4
  5. Raja Guest

    Things always move forward and change ... That's the nature of life. Iam just
    wondering where we will be today if the innovation stopped in electronics
    after video cassettes or walkman were invented ... No snappy DVD players or
    ultra-cool mp3 players !

    --
    Check out www.dotnethangar.com for exam books !


    "" wrote:

    > Thanks Bob, that's exactly the kind of info I was after.
    >
    > Do you know when in September they will release the certification
    > details for Whidbey ?
    >
    > I'm starting to wonder about the whole certification thing - whether it
    > is worth it at all!! It takes such an effort to work full time and
    > study, then at most your certifications only last a few years ... Think
    > about the amount of effort it would have taken to keep certified over
    > the last 5 years ... If you got MCSD in VS6, then that was 4 exams.
    > Then MCSD in .NET 2003, that was another 5 exams (potentially 4 if you
    > had the right elective). Then another 2 exams for .NET 2005. That's
    > 11 exams in 5 years !!!
    >
    > And who knows what it will take to 'keep certified' over the next 20
    > years !?!? There is sure to be a couple more 'paradigm shifts' which
    > will require getting a whole new certification (like from VS6 to .NET).
    >
    > I suppose I'll just do 70-316 and re-assess when the new exam schedules
    > come out.
    >
    > Cheers
    > Bill
    >
    >
    Raja, Jul 17, 2005
    #5
  6. Guest

    Technology moves at an astonishing rate and I agree that on the whole,
    it makes us better off. However this is a different point to what I
    was making.

    I don't think it is worth being "Microsoft certified" when the
    certification only lasts a few years. Effectively all I am doing is
    pouring more money into Microsoft's coffers and book publishers.

    I believe that 'self study', keeping up to speed with Google groups and
    practical experience are making me a far better programmer than any of
    the work I have done on the Microsoft certifications. People pass
    Microsoft exams by giving the Microsoft answers, not the real-world
    answers.
    , Jul 18, 2005
    #6
  7. EggHead Guest

    I will said it is not worth as much as people think unless your company paid
    for it.
    The issues is that M$ is pouring new stuff very fast in the last few yrs.
    Do you realize the time span different in VB to .net, .net 2002 to .net
    2003., and .net 2003 to .net 2005? Or, NT4.0 to 2K and 2K to 2k3?
    And, do you notice the # of people holding up-to-date M$cert is less and
    less?
    I think that is one of reason why M$ changing the name as well. Therefore,
    for the M$ partner stuff, M$ can forces people jumping loop again.
    Egghead

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Technology moves at an astonishing rate and I agree that on the whole,
    > it makes us better off. However this is a different point to what I
    > was making.
    >
    > I don't think it is worth being "Microsoft certified" when the
    > certification only lasts a few years. Effectively all I am doing is
    > pouring more money into Microsoft's coffers and book publishers.
    >
    > I believe that 'self study', keeping up to speed with Google groups and
    > practical experience are making me a far better programmer than any of
    > the work I have done on the Microsoft certifications. People pass
    > Microsoft exams by giving the Microsoft answers, not the real-world
    > answers.
    >
    EggHead, Jul 18, 2005
    #7
  8. July 18, 2005

    Well I know one thing for a fact. The MCAD certification has meant the
    difference for me between being just another developer and one that is quite
    frequently going on tours of the Redmond campus and talking with many
    different product groups... I have another meeting planned with Sr Mgmt with
    a product group soon, and the certification definitely was an eye catcher!
    It was Tremendously worth it for what it has accomplished for me!

    --
    Joseph Bittman
    Microsoft Certified Application Developer

    Web Site: http://71.39.42.23
    Static IP




    "EggHead" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I will said it is not worth as much as people think unless your company
    >paid for it.
    > The issues is that M$ is pouring new stuff very fast in the last few yrs.
    > Do you realize the time span different in VB to .net, .net 2002 to .net
    > 2003., and .net 2003 to .net 2005? Or, NT4.0 to 2K and 2K to 2k3?
    > And, do you notice the # of people holding up-to-date M$cert is less and
    > less?
    > I think that is one of reason why M$ changing the name as well. Therefore,
    > for the M$ partner stuff, M$ can forces people jumping loop again.
    > Egghead
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Technology moves at an astonishing rate and I agree that on the whole,
    >> it makes us better off. However this is a different point to what I
    >> was making.
    >>
    >> I don't think it is worth being "Microsoft certified" when the
    >> certification only lasts a few years. Effectively all I am doing is
    >> pouring more money into Microsoft's coffers and book publishers.
    >>
    >> I believe that 'self study', keeping up to speed with Google groups and
    >> practical experience are making me a far better programmer than any of
    >> the work I have done on the Microsoft certifications. People pass
    >> Microsoft exams by giving the Microsoft answers, not the real-world
    >> answers.
    >>

    >
    >
    Joseph Bittman MCAD, Jul 19, 2005
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  9. Guest

    Well Good On You !!! You must be very proud of yourself. By the way,
    say hello to the big BG from me.
    , Jul 19, 2005
    #9
  10. When I'm talking to people interested in certification, I put it this way.
    The only way to compare it is how hireable you are with it versus without
    it. In the good old days, certifications meant something more because of
    the rarity of it and the scarcity of IT folks in general. Those days are
    long gone.

    As far as the constant upgrading, look at it from the hiring parties
    perspective. If the person has a certification, I'd like to know what layer
    of technology it's in. The certification has some additional value if the
    person has kept up to date with it.

    There's no question that anyone who just does the certs and has no
    experience isn't as good as the certification would lead us to believe. And
    we all know people who are great programmers or infrastructure people who
    don't have any certifications. But it's a good addition.

    For what it's worth.

    --
    RL (cert me, baby) Coppedge, MCSE/MCDBA/MCT
    NorthEast Ohio
    www.RLCoppedge.com
    RLCoppedge <around> hotmail <not dash, but...> com

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Thanks Bob, that's exactly the kind of info I was after.
    >
    > Do you know when in September they will release the certification
    > details for Whidbey ?
    >
    > I'm starting to wonder about the whole certification thing - whether it
    > is worth it at all!! It takes such an effort to work full time and
    > study, then at most your certifications only last a few years ... Think
    > about the amount of effort it would have taken to keep certified over
    > the last 5 years ... If you got MCSD in VS6, then that was 4 exams.
    > Then MCSD in .NET 2003, that was another 5 exams (potentially 4 if you
    > had the right elective). Then another 2 exams for .NET 2005. That's
    > 11 exams in 5 years !!!
    >
    > And who knows what it will take to 'keep certified' over the next 20
    > years !?!? There is sure to be a couple more 'paradigm shifts' which
    > will require getting a whole new certification (like from VS6 to .NET).
    >
    > I suppose I'll just do 70-316 and re-assess when the new exam schedules
    > come out.
    >
    > Cheers
    > Bill
    >
    RL \(Bob\) Coppedge, MCSE/MCDBA/MCT, Jul 19, 2005
    #10
  11. July 19, 2005

    :) Haven't seen him yet.....

    --
    Joseph Bittman
    Microsoft Certified Application Developer

    Web Site: http://71.39.42.23
    Static IP




    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Well Good On You !!! You must be very proud of yourself. By the way,
    > say hello to the big BG from me.
    >
    Joseph Bittman MCAD, Jul 19, 2005
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  12. Help!!!! anyone has the source code for the MCAD 70-316 by AMIT
    i am desperately needed of the sample code so that i could completel
    unders
    tand every detail about the programs on the book. Could anyone kindl
    send m
    e the code .. ????
    I am desperately..




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  13. Help!!!! anyone has the source code for the MCAD 70-316 by AMIT
    i am desperately needed of the sample code so that i could completel
    unders
    tand every detail about the programs on the book. Could anyone kindl
    send m
    e the code .. ????
    I am desperately..




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  14. Neel Guest

    Hi,

    yes i do. 70-316 means amit kalani's C#, win apps right?? Let me know if you
    need it :)

    Cheers,

    Neel.

    "command_magic" wrote:

    >
    > Help!!!! anyone has the source code for the MCAD 70-316 by AMIT
    > i am desperately needed of the sample code so that i could completely
    > unders
    > tand every detail about the programs on the book. Could anyone kindly
    > send m
    > e the code .. ????
    > I am desperately..
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Neel, Sep 30, 2005
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