is "i robot" any good ?

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by John, Jul 27, 2004.

  1. John

    John Guest

    Hi all,

    I just saw a trailer of I robot on tv but the movie doesn't show in
    europe till august. Has anybody in the US seen it yet? And if so, is
    it yet another non-edgy, semi-cute, Will Smith, mainstream movie like
    independence day and MIB 1/2. Or is it more like the original Asimov
    robot novels (which were complex tech/murder mysteries in a gloomy
    future version of our world) and worth ordering on overseas DVD when
    it's released? Maybe a good reference point would be: how does it
    compare to movies like minority report and total recall.

    Thanks for any input!

    --J
     
    John, Jul 27, 2004
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  2. John

    jayembee Guest

    says...

    > I just saw a trailer of I robot on tv but the movie doesn't show in
    > europe till august. Has anybody in the US seen it yet? And if so, is
    > it yet another non-edgy, semi-cute, Will Smith, mainstream movie like
    > independence day and MIB 1/2. Or is it more like the original Asimov
    > robot novels (which were complex tech/murder mysteries in a gloomy
    > future version of our world) and worth ordering on overseas DVD when
    > it's released? Maybe a good reference point would be: how does it
    > compare to movies like minority report and total recall.


    I don't know what to say, except:

    (1) I liked it. A lot.

    (2) It's not really an adaptation of Asimov. It started life as an
    original screenplay that used elements of Asimov's work, and then
    the use of those elements expanded. So don't expect it to be Asimov
    brought to the screen, however, I thought it was a largely excellent
    presentation of the basic concepts that Asimov used in his robot
    stories.

    (3) I just-short-of-hated TOTAL RECALL, and never saw MINORITY REPORT
    (don't like Spielberg), so take that into account.

    -- jayembee
     
    jayembee, Jul 27, 2004
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  3. John

    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I just saw a trailer of I robot on tv but the movie doesn't show in
    > europe till august. Has anybody in the US seen it yet? And if so, is
    > it yet another non-edgy, semi-cute, Will Smith, mainstream movie like
    > independence day and MIB 1/2. Or is it more like the original Asimov
    > robot novels (which were complex tech/murder mysteries in a gloomy
    > future version of our world) and worth ordering on overseas DVD when
    > it's released? Maybe a good reference point would be: how does it
    > compare to movies like minority report and total recall.


    Any similarities to the writings of Isaac Asimov are purely
    coincidental. I'm sure the poor author is spinning in his grave over the
    assimilation of his title and character names for this movie.

    That said, the movie is very good for what it is, which is a Will Smith
    summer popcorn movie with lots of action scenes, $100 million worth of
    special effects, and a handful of vaguely interesting science fiction
    ideas.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Jul 28, 2004
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  4. John

    Mike Kohary Guest

    John wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I just saw a trailer of I robot on tv but the movie doesn't show in
    > europe till august. Has anybody in the US seen it yet? And if so, is
    > it yet another non-edgy, semi-cute, Will Smith, mainstream movie like
    > independence day and MIB 1/2. Or is it more like the original Asimov
    > robot novels (which were complex tech/murder mysteries in a gloomy
    > future version of our world) and worth ordering on overseas DVD when
    > it's released?


    It's all right. It doesn't say anything very important, but it's better
    than the aforementioned movies and only contains a small amount of the
    "semi-cute Will Smith" material. It's nothing at all like the Asimov
    stories, so if those are your point of reference, you'll be extremely
    disappointed. It's well-made and entertaining in its own right, though.

    > Maybe a good reference point would be: how does it
    > compare to movies like minority report and total recall.


    It doesn't - those two films are far superior, and I Robot is a full step or
    two down from that caliber.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Jul 29, 2004
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  5. John

    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "Mike Kohary" <> wrote in message
    news:ce9mgq$tj5$...
    > > Maybe a good reference point would be: how does it
    > > compare to movies like minority report and total recall.

    >
    > It doesn't - those two films are far superior, and I Robot is a full

    step or
    > two down from that caliber.


    I preferred it over Minority Report, if only for the fact that it
    doesn't have an incredibly inane plot turn in the last half hour.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Jul 29, 2004
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  6. John

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Joshua Zyber wrote:
    > "Mike Kohary" <> wrote in message
    > news:ce9mgq$tj5$...
    >>> Maybe a good reference point would be: how does it
    >>> compare to movies like minority report and total recall.

    >>
    >> It doesn't - those two films are far superior, and I Robot is a full
    >> step or two down from that caliber.

    >
    > I preferred it over Minority Report, if only for the fact that it
    > doesn't have an incredibly inane plot turn in the last half hour.


    I like MR's plot turn. :) Great thriller...

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Jul 30, 2004
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  7. John

    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "Mike Kohary" <> wrote in message
    news:cec08l$ppn$...
    > > I preferred it over Minority Report, if only for the fact that it
    > > doesn't have an incredibly inane plot turn in the last half hour.

    >
    > I like MR's plot turn. :)


    Dear lord.....

    Typical Spielberg movie. Great first 3/4 followed by a horrible last act
    that makes you hate yourself for having wasted your time with the damn
    movie at all.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Jul 30, 2004
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  8. John

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Joshua Zyber wrote:
    > "Mike Kohary" <> wrote in message
    > news:cec08l$ppn$...
    >>> I preferred it over Minority Report, if only for the fact that it
    >>> doesn't have an incredibly inane plot turn in the last half hour.

    >>
    >> I like MR's plot turn. :)

    >
    > Dear lord.....
    >
    > Typical Spielberg movie. Great first 3/4 followed by a horrible last
    > act that makes you hate yourself for having wasted your time with the
    > damn movie at all.


    ....if you're you, but not if you're me. ;)

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Jul 30, 2004
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  9. John

    Mark Spatny Guest

    John, says...
    > "i robot" any good ?


    Well, the parts I worked on are pretty good ;-)
     
    Mark Spatny, Jul 30, 2004
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  10. John

    jayembee Guest

    says...

    > John, says...
    > > "i robot" any good ?

    >
    > Well, the parts I worked on are pretty good ;-)


    I *thought* I saw your name in the credits (yes, I'm one of those
    die-hard credit watchers).

    Anyway, as far as movie adaptations of classic SF works go, if
    anyone thought that I, ROBOT was far afield from Asimov...

    Just the other night, while seeing CATWOMAN (I know, I know, but
    I used the free pass that was in Batman Animated Series box...)
    I caught the trailer for an adaptation of Bradbury's A SOUND OF
    THUNDER. Peter Hyams does it again.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    -- jayembee
     
    jayembee, Jul 30, 2004
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  11. John

    Wade365 Guest

    << ust the other night, while seeing CATWOMAN (I know, I know, but
    I used the free pass that was in Batman Animated Series box...)
    I caught the trailer for an adaptation of Bradbury's A SOUND OF
    THUNDER. Peter Hyams does it again.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid. >><BR><BR>

    I also saw "Catwoman" (wow, I thought they were done making shite superhero
    movies) and I saw the "Thunder" trailer too... and I'm looking forward to it. I
    haven't seen "I, Robot" but I read the book and the preview turns me WAAAAYYY
    off.

    The only part of "Catwoman" that gave me any entertainment was the actual cats
    and CG cats they used... oh, and the Urtha Kit imitation Berry delivers (and
    tastefully only once) during a fight scene.

    The cowl (sp?) with the ears was ATTROCIOUS, even onscreen... and the CG Berry
    was really, REALLY poorly done, worse than "Daredevil". At least "DD" had some
    genuine humor and style to the shoot... "Catwoman" seemed so disjointed just as
    a basic movie that by the end I was squirming in my seat and not due to the
    tight leather (which is what I had hoped for as a fall-back if the film sucked
    toasted monkey scrotum shavings... which it did, in spades).

    Could they use any more soft-focus on Sharon Stone? I thought it was Elizabeth
    Taylor up there on the screen... the only benefit to using Stone was that in
    order to make he horribly & rapidly age at the end of the film, all they had to
    do was go back to a normal lense!

    Sorry, back to the "I, Robot" thread now...
     
    Wade365, Jul 31, 2004
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  12. John

    John Guest

    On 31 Jul 2004 19:20:02 GMT, (Wade365) wrote:

    ><< ust the other night, while seeing CATWOMAN (I know, I know, but
    >I used the free pass that was in Batman Animated Series box...)
    >I caught the trailer for an adaptation of Bradbury's A SOUND OF
    >THUNDER. Peter Hyams does it again.
    >
    >Be afraid. Be very afraid. >><BR><BR>
    >
    >I also saw "Catwoman" (wow, I thought they were done making shite superhero
    >movies) and I saw the "Thunder" trailer too... and I'm looking forward to it. I
    >haven't seen "I, Robot" but I read the book and the preview turns me WAAAAYYY
    >off.


    The preview kind of suggests that the movie is an adaption of the "The
    caves of steel" Asimov book. The first in the robot series if i'm not
    mistaken. And a really cool scifi-detective story imho. "I robot" is
    afaik just a collection of short stories, which were published before
    the 4 robot novels. And if the movie is just loosely based on the
    concepts used by Asimov, i don't see the point in giving it a name
    that suggests otherwise. But it wouldn't be the first time hollywood
    marketeers did stuff like this :)

    BTW: The story of "the caves of steel" book is about a human detective
    which is assigned an advanced human-like robot partner and has to
    solve a murdercase where a robot supposedly killed a human. Which is
    believed to be impossible according to the 3 laws of robotics. The
    setting is a future human society that is just getting used to simple
    robots being introduced in everyday life and would most likely not
    accept them anymore if the robot were guilty of this murder.

    Is this the story that is used in the movie?

    [snip]

    --J
     
    John, Jul 31, 2004
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  13. John

    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:...
    > The preview kind of suggests that the movie is an adaption of the "The
    > caves of steel" Asimov book.


    Not really. The project started as an unrelated sci-fi screenplay called
    "Hardwired". The producers and studio realized that the screenwriter had
    liberally borrowed concepts from Azimov such as the laws of robotics,
    and decided to just go all the way and officially buy the rights to one
    of his titles. Then they tweaked a few scenes, renamed the characters,
    and called it a day.

    > BTW: The story of "the caves of steel" book is about a human detective
    > which is assigned an advanced human-like robot partner and has to
    > solve a murdercase where a robot supposedly killed a human. Which is
    > believed to be impossible according to the 3 laws of robotics. The
    > setting is a future human society that is just getting used to simple
    > robots being introduced in everyday life and would most likely not
    > accept them anymore if the robot were guilty of this murder.
    >
    > Is this the story that is used in the movie?


    Only vaguely. The movie is a straight-up summer action picture, not much
    of a detective story.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Jul 31, 2004
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  14. John

    Wade365 Guest

    << And if the movie is just loosely based on the
    concepts used by Asimov, i don't see the point in giving it a name
    that suggests otherwise. >><BR><BR>

    You obviously didn't see Devl-in & EmmerIck's version of "Godzilla" then.

    ; )

    I still say they could have gotten the rights to "Beast From 20,000 Fathoms"
    and been more true to the source material for what was produced. Then it
    wouldn't have been such a stinker.

    Money, money, money. Even people who've never read a scifi novel have heard the
    title "I, Robot"... Alan Parsons named an album after it, so there are a ton of
    stoned muzak fans out there at the very least who know it!

    BTW - On the subject of "Minority Report" which was mentioned a few posts ago:
    Did anyone not see the Max Von Sydow-As-Bad Guy coming from the first moment he
    comes on the screen??? Talk about "telegraphed"!
     
    Wade365, Jul 31, 2004
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  15. John

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Minority Report *SPOILERS*

    Wade365 wrote:
    >
    > BTW - On the subject of "Minority Report" which was mentioned a few
    > posts ago: Did anyone not see the Max Von Sydow-As-Bad Guy coming
    > from the first moment he comes on the screen??? Talk about
    > "telegraphed"!


    I honestly didn't - he seemed rough and tumble (in a corporate way), but I
    didn't see him as the backstabber until much later in the film.

    Whodunits work differently for different people. Obviously they're probably
    pretty disappointing if you filch out what's going on early in the picture.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Aug 1, 2004
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  16. John

    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "Wade365" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > BTW - On the subject of "Minority Report" which was mentioned a few

    posts ago:
    > Did anyone not see the Max Von Sydow-As-Bad Guy coming from the first

    moment he
    > comes on the screen??? Talk about "telegraphed"!


    Of course, because I'd already seen LA Confidential, which Minority
    Report blatantly cribs that plotline from, right down to the nearly
    identical kitchen revelation scene.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Aug 1, 2004
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  17. John

    Mark Spatny Guest

    jayembee, says...
    > Anyway, as far as movie adaptations of classic SF works go, if
    > anyone thought that I, ROBOT was far afield from Asimov...<SNIP>
    > I caught the trailer for an adaptation of Bradbury's A SOUND OF
    > THUNDER. Peter Hyams does it again.
    >
    > Be afraid. Be very afraid.


    I worked on that one, too. Since it hasn't opened yet, I can't say
    anything about it other than TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS.
     
    Mark Spatny, Aug 2, 2004
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  18. John

    JFR Guest

    Joshua Zyber wrote:
    >
    > "Wade365" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > BTW - On the subject of "Minority Report" which was mentioned a few

    > posts ago:
    > > Did anyone not see the Max Von Sydow-As-Bad Guy coming from the first

    > moment he
    > > comes on the screen??? Talk about "telegraphed"!

    >
    > Of course, because I'd already seen LA Confidential, which Minority
    > Report blatantly cribs that plotline from, right down to the nearly
    > identical kitchen revelation scene.


    So I'm not the only one who thought about LA Confidential then...
     
    JFR, Aug 3, 2004
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