Is HL 2 Terms of Sale Legal here..

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by William Bell, Nov 24, 2004.

  1. William Bell

    William Bell Guest

    I can't see how a foreign country can in force its terms of sales here, that
    even might even infringe on our CGA..

    Also Valve/Steam are the Pirates, when does a Profit = Theft..?

    As this Game can't be copied, so every thing is a guaranteed sale, then I
    think the price should be a lot lower, or is it just theft from
    Valve/Steam....??


    Even if you wish to reinstall the game you have to get Steam to validate is
    again.

    Even Adobe with there $1500 software don't even do that, you get a Custom
    Key, that you can use over and over again..
     
    William Bell, Nov 24, 2004
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  2. William Bell

    cowboyz Guest

    William Bell wrote:
    > I can't see how a foreign country can in force its terms of sales
    > here, that even might even infringe on our CGA..



    blah...

    >
    > Also Valve/Steam are the Pirates, when does a Profit = Theft..?


    What you on about Wallis?


    >
    > As this Game can't be copied,


    You going to guarentee that? It is already out on P2P networks.

    >so every thing is a guaranteed sale,
    > then I think the price should be a lot lower, or is it just theft from
    > Valve/Steam....??
    >
    >
    > Even if you wish to reinstall the game you have to get Steam to
    > validate is again.
    >


    so what?

    > Even Adobe with there $1500 software don't even do that, you get a
    > Custom Key, that you can use over and over again..]


    Again, so what?
     
    cowboyz, Nov 24, 2004
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  3. William Bell

    William Bell Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:52:03 +1300, "cowboyz" <> wrote:

    >William Bell wrote:
    >> I can't see how a foreign country can in force its terms of sales
    >> here, that even might even infringe on our CGA..

    >
    >
    >blah...
    >
    >>
    >> Also Valve/Steam are the Pirates, when does a Profit = Theft..?

    >
    >What you on about Wallis?
    >
    >
    >>
    >> As this Game can't be copied,

    >
    >You going to guarentee that? It is already out on P2P networks.




    Not a Full woking copy from the Info I have read, the Retail verson can't be
    copied.

    >>so every thing is a guaranteed sale,
    >> then I think the price should be a lot lower, or is it just theft from
    >> Valve/Steam....??
    >>
    >>
    >> Even if you wish to reinstall the game you have to get Steam to
    >> validate is again.
    >>

    >
    >so what?
    >
    >> Even Adobe with there $1500 software don't even do that, you get a
    >> Custom Key, that you can use over and over again..]

    >
    >Again, so what?
    >
    >



    What a So what you are, do you have some kind of mental problem..?
     
    William Bell, Nov 24, 2004
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  4. William Bell

    Andrew Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:17:16 +1300, William Bell
    <> wrote:

    >What a So what you are, do you have some kind of mental problem..?


    He doesn't, I suggest you look to yourself though.
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    Andrew, Nov 24, 2004
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  5. William Bell

    Kavvy Guest

    "cowboyz" <> wrote in message
    news:co1b2k$ve2$...
    > William Bell wrote:
    > > I can't see how a foreign country can in force its terms of sales
    > > here, that even might even infringe on our CGA..

    >
    >
    > blah...
    >
    > >
    > > Also Valve/Steam are the Pirates, when does a Profit = Theft..?

    >
    > What you on about Wallis?
    >


    I know you mean well but its,

    Watcha talkin' bout Willis!
     
    Kavvy, Nov 24, 2004
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  6. William Bell

    Andrew Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:28:21 GMT, "Kavvy" <> wrote:

    >I know you mean well but its,
    >
    >Watcha talkin' bout Willis!


    Or even "Watchoo talkin' bout Willis!" ;-)
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    Andrew, Nov 24, 2004
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  7. William Bell

    Adam Cameron Guest

    >> Even Adobe with there $1500 software don't even do that, you get a
    >> Custom Key, that you can use over and over again..]

    >
    > Again, so what?


    Well, from my POV... it's taken me over a week to get the game working
    *without* being connected to the 'net at least when I start it up. This is
    inconvenient for me as it's installed on my laptop, and whilst I have 'net
    access @ work, I don't have it @ home. Guess where I play my games? I'm
    doing *nothing* wrong, illegal, or even that outlandish.

    I finally got it working after almost a week, after jumping through all the
    various hoops that Valve said I needed to to get Steam to work offline,
    with little or no success, and no acknowlegement from them that there's
    even *potentially* an issue (despite their forums being choked with people
    having the same experience as me). Then magically *another* unsolicited
    patch came down the line for it, and it all works. A patch to *Steam*,
    mind; not a patch to Half-Life 2.

    My experience with every other of the dozens of games I have bought?
    Install. Run. Happy.

    Steam is simply a pain in the arse. And it's a pain in thr arse that I
    simply shouldn't have to go through: there's no *reason*, benefit, or
    upside to it.

    And if other software vendors (such as Adobe) who sell far more "valuable"
    software don't see the need to do, where's Valve's (or Vivendi's, or
    Sierra's, whoever is driving this) justification? One could argue "well
    it's up to them, no-one's forcing you to buy HL2". True. But naive at the
    same time. I *want* to buy HL2, and I *want* to continue buying their
    subsequent products. I don't need enticement or any sort, or efforts to
    dissuade me from pirating it instead: I don't pirate stuff, I buy it.

    But this Steam experience has left such an unpleasant taste in my mouth
    that I'm voting with my feet. I've not pirated sofwtare since I was a
    student. And if I was tempted at all, I would never have been tempted to
    pirate a game that I know I will get my money's worth out of. I like to
    think myself as an honest, and reasonable person. However that's now
    changed. I *will* continue to play Valve's new games in future, but I
    *will not* pay for them; I'll pirate them, simply out of spite (and because
    there's a good chance a pirated copy will be easier to get working than a
    cosher version). *That's* what they've achieved with this new system of
    theirs.

    **** them.

    Adam

    (PS: And I *have* passed this on to Valve, too, btw)
     
    Adam Cameron, Nov 24, 2004
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  8. William Bell

    cowboyz Guest

    "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:28:21 GMT, "Kavvy" <> wrote:
    >
    > >I know you mean well but its,
    > >
    > >Watcha talkin' bout Willis!

    >
    > Or even "Watchoo talkin' bout Willis!" ;-)



    I knew I buggered that up.

    Thats what you get for trying to be funny......
     
    cowboyz, Nov 24, 2004
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  9. William Bell

    cowboyz Guest

    "Adam Cameron" <> wrote in message
    news:48d7cjtkfx3f.hn1j964i5rik$...
    > >> Even Adobe with there $1500 software don't even do that, you get a
    > >> Custom Key, that you can use over and over again..]

    > >
    > > Again, so what?

    >
    > Well, from my POV... it's taken me over a week to get the game working
    > *without* being connected to the 'net at least when I start it up. This

    is
    > inconvenient for me as it's installed on my laptop, and whilst I have 'net
    > access @ work, I don't have it @ home. Guess where I play my games? I'm
    > doing *nothing* wrong, illegal, or even that outlandish.
    >
    > I finally got it working after almost a week, after jumping through all

    the
    > various hoops that Valve said I needed to to get Steam to work offline,
    > with little or no success, and no acknowlegement from them that there's
    > even *potentially* an issue (despite their forums being choked with people
    > having the same experience as me). Then magically *another* unsolicited
    > patch came down the line for it, and it all works. A patch to *Steam*,
    > mind; not a patch to Half-Life 2.


    Yeah, I realise some have been having trouble. I am one of the lucky ones
    who got authenticated first try and has run offline ever since without
    trouble. It did bug me leaving the cd in the drive so I have the steam
    patch so cds are packed away where they belong. It still stands that it is
    not valve/steam/vivenditi (is that it?) trying to be difficult but rather a
    sign of the times to show what is required to protect those who deserve to
    be paid.

    >
    > My experience with every other of the dozens of games I have bought?
    > Install. Run. Happy.


    Your experience maybe. How about the programmers experience. It goes
    something like. Spend half your life creating a game. get someone to
    release it. Read on the net how crap a job you did because someone has
    incompatible hardware. Watch the net as your hard earned work floats around
    the internet at will.


    >
    > Steam is simply a pain in the arse. And it's a pain in thr arse that I
    > simply shouldn't have to go through: there's no *reason*, benefit, or
    > upside to it.
    >
    > And if other software vendors (such as Adobe) who sell far more "valuable"
    > software don't see the need to do, where's Valve's (or Vivendi's, or
    > Sierra's, whoever is driving this) justification? One could argue "well
    > it's up to them, no-one's forcing you to buy HL2". True. But naive at the
    > same time. I *want* to buy HL2, and I *want* to continue buying their
    > subsequent products. I don't need enticement or any sort, or efforts to
    > dissuade me from pirating it instead: I don't pirate stuff, I buy it.
    >
    > But this Steam experience has left such an unpleasant taste in my mouth
    > that I'm voting with my feet. I've not pirated sofwtare since I was a
    > student. And if I was tempted at all, I would never have been tempted to
    > pirate a game that I know I will get my money's worth out of. I like to
    > think myself as an honest, and reasonable person. However that's now
    > changed. I *will* continue to play Valve's new games in future, but I
    > *will not* pay for them; I'll pirate them, simply out of spite (and

    because
    > there's a good chance a pirated copy will be easier to get working than a
    > cosher version). *That's* what they've achieved with this new system of
    > theirs.
    >
    > **** them.
    >
    > Adam
    >
    > (PS: And I *have* passed this on to Valve, too, btw)
     
    cowboyz, Nov 24, 2004
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  10. William Bell

    Walter Mitty Guest

    William Bell wrote:
    >


    I saw the name and just *knew* it was going to be a bellyful lot of
    laughs and eye rolling. And guess what??? .....

    > I can't see how a foreign country can in force its terms of sales here, that
    > even might even infringe on our CGA..
    >


    Lets see : a "foriegn country" enforcing its terms of sales here? Anyone?

    > Also Valve/Steam are the Pirates, when does a Profit = Theft..?
    >


    ?!?!?? Erm. /rubs head as it starts to hurt/

    > As this Game can't be copied, so every thing is a guaranteed sale, then I
    > think the price should be a lot lower, or is it just theft from
    > Valve/Steam....??


    Of course you can copy it : you just cant *play it* wihtout paying for
    it. I realise that is a problem for you.

    >
    >
    > Even if you wish to reinstall the game you have to get Steam to validate is
    > again.


    Bother eh?

    >
    > Even Adobe with there $1500 software don't even do that, you get a Custom
    > Key, that you can use over and over again..
    >


    As you can with this game. If you reinstall your computer youd have to
    register your Adobe SW again too. STEAM makes it easier : you just have
    to remember your STEAM accuont login - no messy CD keys.

    >
    >
    >



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    Walter Mitty, Nov 24, 2004
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  11. William Bell

    Walter Mitty Guest

    Kavvy wrote:
    >
    > I know you mean well but its,
    >
    > Watcha talkin' bout Willis!
    >


    LOL. Nice.


    but shouldn't "!" got to a "?" ?...
     
    Walter Mitty, Nov 24, 2004
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  12. William Bell

    Andrew Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:42:22 +1300, "cowboyz" <> wrote:

    >I knew I buggered that up.
    >
    >Thats what you get for trying to be funny......


    At least we got some amusement out of a dumb thread :)
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    Andrew, Nov 24, 2004
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  13. William Bell

    Trout Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:35:37 +0100, Walter Mitty
    <> wrote:

    > If you reinstall your computer youd have to
    >register your Adobe SW again too.


    No you don't. You just enter your cd key and that's it, no need to
    register Adobe products at all. Unless they recently changed their
    policy.
     
    Trout, Nov 24, 2004
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  14. William Bell

    cowboyz Guest

    Trout wrote:
    > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:35:37 +0100, Walter Mitty
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> If you reinstall your computer youd have to
    >> register your Adobe SW again too.

    >
    > No you don't. You just enter your cd key and that's it, no need to
    > register Adobe products at all. Unless they recently changed their
    > policy.


    There are pros and cons to everything. What if you misplace your key? With
    halflife2 once you use your key you don't need it again. just your steam
    account. Then again. Will be interesting to see what happens to 2nd hand
    copys
     
    cowboyz, Nov 24, 2004
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  15. William Bell

    Walter Mitty Guest

    cowboyz wrote:
    > Trout wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:35:37 +0100, Walter Mitty
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>If you reinstall your computer youd have to
    >>>register your Adobe SW again too.

    >>
    >>No you don't. You just enter your cd key and that's it, no need to
    >>register Adobe products at all. Unless they recently changed their
    >>policy.

    >
    >
    > There are pros and cons to everything. What if you misplace your key? With


    Good point. Me bad. When I said "register" I should have said "activate
    with cd key".

    > halflife2 once you use your key you don't need it again. just your steam
    > account. Then again. Will be interesting to see what happens to 2nd hand
    > copys
    >


    Steam is easier IMO.
     
    Walter Mitty, Nov 24, 2004
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  16. William Bell

    Derek Field Guest

    "William Bell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >
    > I can't see how a foreign country can in force its terms of sales here,
    > that
    > even might even infringe on our CGA..


    It won't work with CGA that's technology from 1981. You need a better PC one
    that runs windows - time to upgrade. Check the specs.


    > Also Valve/Steam are the Pirates, when does a Profit = Theft..?


    A Profit = Theft when owner_of_copyright != vendor.


    > As this Game can't be copied, so every thing is a guaranteed sale, then I
    > think the price should be a lot lower, or is it just theft from
    > Valve/Steam....??


    If you want it and you can't afford it well tough shit.

    Dear Shareholders,
    We've spent a great deal of your money investing in really good game that
    will attract big sales. It comes with a copy protection system which will
    reduce our losses to counterfiet sales.
    It means we might make a lot of money - well too much, we think. :(
    So we thought we'd reduce the price and reduce the profits. It's a really
    good move, now everyone will like us - even William Bell. It's an
    unconventional strategy, we know. We hope that's ok with you?

    Love,
    The Directors.

    Dear Directors,

    You're all fired.

    Big hugs,
    The Shareholders.
     
    Derek Field, Nov 24, 2004
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  17. >> If you reinstall your computer youd have to
    >>register your Adobe SW again too.

    >
    > No you don't. You just enter your cd key and that's it, no need to
    > register Adobe products at all. Unless they recently changed their
    > policy.


    You don't need to register any Adobe products, but the latest Photoshop CS
    requires activation. The Windows version does, at least. Guess all the Mac
    users are hip, sexy and oh so cool and don't borrow each others' CD's. Yeah,
    right. (I know, I know, not much of a market to bother with anyway).

    BTW, I use both platforms at work.

    - f_f
     
    faster_framerates, Nov 24, 2004
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  18. William Bell

    Trout Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:44:26 +1300, "cowboyz" <> wrote:


    >There are pros and cons to everything. What if you misplace your key?


    You go find a keygen. Simple.
     
    Trout, Nov 24, 2004
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  19. William Bell

    Trout Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:49:08 +0100, Walter Mitty
    <> wrote:


    >Steam is easier IMO.


    Bollocks, you Steam boot licking fanboi.
     
    Trout, Nov 24, 2004
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  20. William Bell

    Trout Guest

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:25:41 -0600, "faster_framerates"
    <> wrote:


    >You don't need to register any Adobe products, but the latest Photoshop CS
    >requires activation. The Windows version does, at least. Guess all the Mac
    >users are hip, sexy and oh so cool and don't borrow each others' CD's. Yeah,
    >right. (I know, I know, not much of a market to bother with anyway).
    >
    >BTW, I use both platforms at work.
    >
    >- f_f
    >


    I'm still on Photoshop 4.0 and am happy being there. No activation
    crap for me. I accept it with the OS but nothing else, and especially
    not some two-bit game. What's Photoshop CS anyway?
     
    Trout, Nov 24, 2004
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