Is a key tracker ever benign?

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by Gualtier Malde, Aug 17, 2006.

  1. I had bought an NVU MP3 player and was installing it, and Zone Alarm was
    coming up with this or that thing - a lot of them - and then it said
    that the software was attempting to install a key tracker, at which
    point I began denying all other stuff and let it install and then
    uninstalled it and packed it up.

    Was I being overly cautious? The only use I have heard of for a key
    tracker is to report on what the computer user is doing.


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    Gualtier Malde, Aug 17, 2006
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  2. Gualtier Malde wrote:
    > I had bought an NVU MP3 player and was installing it, and Zone Alarm
    > was coming up with this or that thing - a lot of them - and then it
    > said that the software was attempting to install a key tracker,


    Ah, and you think that would have any meaning? ZoneAlarm usually
    randomly displays nonsense.

    > at which point I began denying all other stuff and let it install and
    > then uninstalled it and packed it up.


    Ouch!

    Beside that, what exactly were you installing? The standard USB mass
    storage device driver, or any strange additional software?

    > Was I being overly cautious?


    Definitely. Well, why else would someone install ZA?

    > The only use I have heard of for a key tracker is to report on what
    > the computer user is doing.


    I don't even know what this "key tracker" means, and I'm pretty sure
    that both you and this ZA crap don't either. Do you mean a "change
    notification handler" for a registry key?
     
    Sebastian Gottschalk, Aug 17, 2006
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  3. Gualtier Malde

    Jim Watt Guest

    On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:36:44 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
    <> wrote:

    >Gualtier Malde wrote:
    >> I had bought an NVU MP3 player and was installing it, and Zone Alarm
    >> was coming up with this or that thing - a lot of them - and then it
    >> said that the software was attempting to install a key tracker,

    >
    >Ah, and you think that would have any meaning? ZoneAlarm usually
    >randomly displays nonsense.


    Mine does not, however Gottschalk consistently displays
    nonsense.
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    Jim Watt, Aug 17, 2006
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  4. From: "Gualtier Malde" <>

    | I had bought an NVU MP3 player and was installing it, and Zone Alarm was
    | coming up with this or that thing - a lot of them - and then it said
    | that the software was attempting to install a key tracker, at which
    | point I began denying all other stuff and let it install and then
    | uninstalled it and packed it up.
    |
    | Was I being overly cautious? The only use I have heard of for a key
    | tracker is to report on what the computer user is doing.
    |

    "Key Tracker" is new nomeclature.

    Please define this term and post the EXACT message puportedly coming from ZoneAlarm.

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    Dave
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    David H. Lipman, Aug 17, 2006
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  5. Gualtier Malde

    Zilbandy Guest

    On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:36:44 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
    <> wrote:

    >> Was I being overly cautious?

    >
    >Definitely. Well, why else would someone install ZA?


    Ah, so you DO admit ZA has some benefit.
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    Zilbandy, Aug 18, 2006
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  6. Zilbandy wrote:
    > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:36:44 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>> Was I being overly cautious?

    >> Definitely. Well, why else would someone install ZA?

    >
    > Ah, so you DO admit ZA has some benefit.


    How can you read that? Overcautiousness being a common reason for
    installing ZA doesn't make it have some real benefit.

    But of course it has. It's a pretty useful tool for simulating critical
    network and system errors. And it's like a disco light for network traffic.
     
    Sebastian Gottschalk, Aug 18, 2006
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  7. Gualtier Malde

    Jim Watt Guest

    On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:23:04 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
    <> wrote:

    >Zilbandy wrote:
    >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:36:44 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Was I being overly cautious?
    >>> Definitely. Well, why else would someone install ZA?

    >>
    >> Ah, so you DO admit ZA has some benefit.

    >
    >How can you read that? Overcautiousness being a common reason for
    >installing ZA doesn't make it have some real benefit.
    >
    >But of course it has. It's a pretty useful tool for simulating critical
    >network and system errors. And it's like a disco light for network traffic.


    in your - worthless - opinion.
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    Jim Watt, Aug 18, 2006
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  8. David H. Lipman wrote:
    >
    > "Key Tracker" is new nomeclature.
    >
    > Please define this term and post the EXACT message puportedly coming from ZoneAlarm.
    >

    I must have misremembered the name of something I took to mean some sort
    of software which notes, I suppose, what keys or operations are being
    performed with the purpose of reporting to some other software, either
    internal or external to the computer in which it is installed. Spyware
    would be the genus, I suppose.

    "Key mapper"? - something like that.

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    Gualtier Malde, Aug 18, 2006
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  9. Gualtier Malde

    nemo_outis Guest

    Gualtier Malde <> wrote in
    news::

    > What's a good replacement for OE on my WIN98SE machine? I reformated
    > the disc, threw out Symantic, settled on Kerio (small footprint) and
    > FireFox but according to some here... I must be awfully vulnerable
    > through OE.
    >
    > I read a lot of newsarticles clipped by Google News. I see statements
    > on a lot of site now marked "RSS". I know it's a file format but
    > really don't know if it has any benefit to me. I don't blog... but may
    > be interested if whatever program is needed doesn't have a long
    > learning curve... I'm not THAT interested in reading questionable
    > credibility.
    >
    > Any advise would be apprecaited.



    I recommend Thinderbird. It's a very good general-purpose email program
    (not quite as slick as Outlook but without the vulnerabilities and bloat as
    well).

    One of its best features is how well it handles encrypted email (with
    GnuPG/Enigmail extension) including good support for PGP/Mime.

    Regards,
     
    nemo_outis, Aug 18, 2006
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  10. Gualtier Malde

    Jim Watt Guest

    On 18 Aug 2006 16:32:48 GMT, "nemo_outis" <> wrote:

    >I recommend Thinderbird.


    so do I. Only things I dislike is it takes a long time
    to load and changing passwords is well hidden. Apart from
    which its excellent.
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    Jim Watt, Aug 18, 2006
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  11. HEY! You guys have hijacked my thread! Not that it was going much of
    anywhere, but it's the principle of the thing <g>



    Jim Watt wrote:
    > On 18 Aug 2006 16:32:48 GMT, "nemo_outis" <> wrote:
    >
    >> I recommend Thinderbird.

    >
    > so do I. Only things I dislike is it takes a long time
    > to load and changing passwords is well hidden. Apart from
    > which its excellent.
    > --
    > Jim Watt
    > http://www.gibnet.com



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    Gualtier Malde, Aug 19, 2006
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  12. Gualtier Malde

    Moe Trin Guest

    On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in article
    <>, Gualtier Malde wrote:

    >David H. Lipman wrote:
    >
    >> "Key Tracker" is new nomeclature.
    >>
    >> Please define this term and post the EXACT message puportedly coming from

    ZoneAlarm.
    >>

    >I must have misremembered the name of something I took to mean some sort
    >of software which notes, I suppose, what keys or operations are being
    >performed with the purpose of reporting to some other software, either
    >internal or external to the computer in which it is installed.


    So - you might think that it's keeping a _log_ of your keystrokes?

    Web Results 1 - 10 of about 11,500,000 for key logger. (0.20 seconds)

    Web Results 1 - 10 of about 481,000 for keystroke logger. (0.25
    seconds)

    Or maybe they are _recording_ your keystrokes?

    Web Results 1 - 10 of about 487,000 for keystroke recorder. (0.44
    seconds)

    Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,200,000 for key stroke recorder. (0.29
    seconds)

    >"Key mapper"? - something like that.


    No - a key mapper is an application that translates the keycode from the
    keyboard into some character string. Thus, if I press the key on the far
    right of the top row which generates the bit pattern ' 10000010 ' on the
    wire from the keyboard to the computer, the computer displays a ' - '
    character.

    Old guy
     
    Moe Trin, Aug 19, 2006
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  13. Moe Trin wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in article
    > <>, Gualtier Malde wrote:
    >
    >> David H. Lipman wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Key Tracker" is new nomeclature.
    >>>
    >>> Please define this term and post the EXACT message puportedly coming from

    > ZoneAlarm.
    >> I must have misremembered the name of something I took to mean some sort
    >> of software which notes, I suppose, what keys or operations are being
    >> performed with the purpose of reporting to some other software, either
    >> internal or external to the computer in which it is installed.

    >
    > So - you might think that it's keeping a _log_ of your keystrokes?
    >
    > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 11,500,000 for key logger. (0.20 seconds)
    >
    > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 481,000 for keystroke logger. (0.25
    > seconds)
    >
    > Or maybe they are _recording_ your keystrokes?
    >
    > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 487,000 for keystroke recorder. (0.44
    > seconds)
    >
    > Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,200,000 for key stroke recorder. (0.29
    > seconds)
    >
    >> "Key mapper"? - something like that.

    >
    > No - a key mapper is an application that translates the keycode from the
    > keyboard into some character string. Thus, if I press the key on the far
    > right of the top row which generates the bit pattern ' 10000010 ' on the
    > wire from the keyboard to the computer, the computer displays a ' - '
    > character.
    >
    > Old guy

    You got that right! I had better quit before someone starts involuntary
    commitment action. Obviously I don't recall what the thing ZA was
    telling be about was called, and won't unless I go back and install it.

    But I got the idea it was something which I had heard about which sat on
    a person's computer and "watched" what was going on with the idea of
    transmitting the information to a third party. The most benign of such
    applications would be to allow an advertiser to tailor offerings to the
    user (like supermarket "member" cards). But even that little loss of
    privacy would bother me.

    Thanks to you and all who tried to help me.

    Chuck


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    Gualtier Malde, Aug 20, 2006
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  14. From: "Gualtier Malde" <>

    | David H. Lipman wrote:
    >>
    >> "Key Tracker" is new nomeclature.
    >>
    >> Please define this term and post the EXACT message puportedly coming from ZoneAlarm.
    >>

    | I must have misremembered the name of something I took to mean some sort
    | of software which notes, I suppose, what keys or operations are being
    | performed with the purpose of reporting to some other software, either
    | internal or external to the computer in which it is installed. Spyware
    | would be the genus, I suppose.
    |
    | "Key mapper"? - something like that.
    |

    Keylogger or Keylogging Trojan.

    They record keystoke and other actions and reciord them in a file that is sent off to a
    third party.

    There are NO benign Keylogging Trojans.

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    David H. Lipman, Aug 20, 2006
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  15. Gualtier Malde

    Inquirer Guest

    >Gualtier Malde <> wrote in
    >news::
    >
    >> What's a good replacement for OE on my WIN98SE machine?


    On 18 Aug 2006 16:32:48 GMT, "nemo_outis" <> wrote:

    >I recommend Thinderbird.


    Be sure to disable it (or whatever email program you use) from
    displaying HTML and scripting.

    Instructions for Thunderbird here:
    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_(Thunderbird)

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    Inquirer, Aug 27, 2006
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