IP tracker problem

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Mike S., Dec 1, 2006.

  1. Mike S.

    Mike S. Guest

    I'm having trouble with an ip tracker on a webpage and could use some
    help.

    I'm using my own dialup ip address to test the tracker.

    If I go to a website such as dnstuff.com a whois of my (dialup) ip
    address will list the state as Colorado. When I lookup the IP
    information (or location) it has the state as Maryland. The tracker I'm
    using lists the state as Virginia.

    What's with the three different states being listed?

    What's confusing me is that the ip tracker is the only one listing the
    correct state. I can't figure out how they're getting that and every ip
    whois/lookup website I go to lists the incorrect state.
     
    Mike S., Dec 1, 2006
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  2. Mike S.

    STRAWMAN Guest

    My NeoTrace found your location as:
    dialup-4.249.144.33.dial1.washington2.level3.net
     
    STRAWMAN, Dec 1, 2006
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  3. Mike S.

    Whiskers Guest

    On 2006-12-01, Mike S. <> wrote:
    > I'm having trouble with an ip tracker on a webpage and could use some
    > help.
    >
    > I'm using my own dialup ip address to test the tracker.
    >
    > If I go to a website such as dnstuff.com a whois of my (dialup) ip
    > address will list the state as Colorado. When I lookup the IP
    > information (or location) it has the state as Maryland. The tracker I'm
    > using lists the state as Virginia.
    >
    > What's with the three different states being listed?
    >
    > What's confusing me is that the ip tracker is the only one listing the
    > correct state. I can't figure out how they're getting that and every ip
    > whois/lookup website I go to lists the incorrect state.


    "Whois" lists the registered address of the registered 'owner' of that
    block of IP numbers:

    $ whois 4.249.144.33

    OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc.
    OrgID: LVLT
    Address: 1025 Eldorado Blvd.
    City: Broomfield
    StateProv: CO
    PostalCode: 80021
    Country: US
    [...]

    which is usually your ISP, or the service 're-sold' by your ISP. That's
    where Colorado is associated with the IP number you had when you posted
    your question, and presumably always will be when you use that ISP.

    A 'reverse DNS lookup' sometimes gives other clues, but not always:

    $ nslookup 4.249.144.33
    Server: 192.168.2.1 <==== my own personal DNS server
    Address: 192.168.2.1#53

    33.144.249.4.in-addr.arpa
    name = dialup-4.249.144.33.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net.

    This particular result could indicate that the ISP's modem to which you
    connected, is located in Washington DC. Or perhaps in Washington State,
    which is of course something entirely different, or the original
    Washington, in England, which is yet another (unlikely) thing, or some
    other Washington I haven't thought of. Or perhaps the machine is just
    called 'Washington2' because it has to be called something.

    'Washington DC' is geographically within the state of Maryland, and not far
    from Virginia. Some of your ISP's modems or servers may indeed be
    geographically within Maryland or Virginia - or at least, have those states
    mentioned in their DNS entries, which isn't quite the same thing.

    A 'traceroute' would try to connect to the computer currently using a
    given IP number, and report the IP numbers and nslookup information for
    each server used in reaching that computer, from which it may be possible
    to get a closer indication of where the user is - although not
    necessarily, and in any case the IP numbers used for dial-up services are
    allocated to a different user each time they are used so you might not be
    'tracing' the user who actually had that IP number when they visited your
    web site or whatever.

    Outside the USA, the most you can expect from any sort of lookup or trace
    on an IP number, is to identify the country in which that person's ISP has
    its registered office. Within the USA, using the time-zone shown in the
    headers of an email or usenet article can be more informative than the IP
    number (but posting via Google Groups gives your article the time-zone
    used by Google's servers - and some other news-servers also change the
    date and time information attached to articles by the sender's computer).

    People using some satellite systems for internet access, can appear to
    move almost instantly from one country to another, even half across the
    planet, depending on the 'downlinks' being used by whichever satellite
    they are connected to at that moment.

    All bets are off when people use 'proxy servers' or systems such as 'Tor'
    or 'Freenet' to visit your web site; they do not want to be traced. You
    won't necessarily know when that is being done.

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~
     
    Whiskers, Dec 1, 2006
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