interesting thoughts on Intels changes...

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Dave - Dave.net.nz, Aug 22, 2005.

  1. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496

    "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a
    next generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this new
    core is going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I
    think it’s going to be something completely different."

    There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth the
    read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read... they're
    entertaining atleast :)
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    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Aug 22, 2005
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  2. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >
    > "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a
    > next generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this
    > new core is going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M
    > cores. I think it’s going to be something completely different."
    >
    > There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth the
    > read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read...
    > they're entertaining atleast :)


    Good read, thanks.
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    ~misfit~, Aug 22, 2005
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  3. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    AD. Guest

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:01:32 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >
    > "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a next
    > generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this new core is
    > going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I think it's
    > going to be something completely different."
    >
    > There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth the
    > read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read... they're
    > entertaining atleast :)


    I might be proven wrong, but I suspect they are reading too much into
    their tea leaves and it will be Pentium M stuff - just 64bit and (possibly
    or) dual cores.

    That would still make it the biggest news since the P4 IMO.

    And no way in hell would Apple be signing up to something completely new
    and unproven just based on Intels say so. If they they had fallen for
    Intels promises of grand new architectures a few years earlier, Apple
    would now be shackled with Itaniums ;)

    I reckon it will 'just' be super spiffy Pentium M descendants and chipsets
    designed to replace desktop P4s and Xeons etc. The Pentium M now has
    enough track record to convince Apple that Intel can pull off their
    roadmap.

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    AD., Aug 22, 2005
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  4. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    ~misfit~ Guest

    AD. wrote:
    > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:01:32 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >>
    >> "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a
    >> next generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this
    >> new core is going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M
    >> cores. I think it's going to be something completely different."
    >>
    >> There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth
    >> the read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read...
    >> they're entertaining atleast :)

    >
    > I might be proven wrong, but I suspect they are reading too much into
    > their tea leaves and it will be Pentium M stuff - just 64bit and
    > (possibly or) dual cores.
    >
    > That would still make it the biggest news since the P4 IMO.


    You know what's really amusing (to me anyway)? The Pentium M is a direct
    descendant of the Pentium 3 Tualatin, re-jigged by the Intel Israel team.
    I've always maintained that the P4 was a bad CPU. Seems it may have been a
    dead-end in the evolution of CPUs.

    > And no way in hell would Apple be signing up to something completely
    > new and unproven just based on Intels say so. If they they had fallen
    > for Intels promises of grand new architectures a few years earlier,
    > Apple would now be shackled with Itaniums ;)
    >
    > I reckon it will 'just' be super spiffy Pentium M descendants and
    > chipsets designed to replace desktop P4s and Xeons etc. The Pentium M
    > now has enough track record to convince Apple that Intel can pull off
    > their roadmap.


    Let's see if they can pull back AMDs lead in the CPU stakes. I doubt it
    somehow. Intel lost it when they decided to go for P4 raw Mhz speed in
    preference to computing power. If they'd stuck to evolving the Tualatin in
    the first place who knows where they'd be now?
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    ~misfit~, Aug 22, 2005
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  5. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    AD. Guest

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:16:43 +1200, ~misfit~ wrote:

    > You know what's really amusing (to me anyway)? The Pentium M is a direct
    > descendant of the Pentium 3 Tualatin, re-jigged by the Intel Israel team.
    > I've always maintained that the P4 was a bad CPU. Seems it may have been a
    > dead-end in the evolution of CPUs.


    Apparently the closeness of the M to the Tualatin is quite often
    overstated - the Pentium M's design being very highly modified and even
    containing a few of the P4 design features.

    But I'm not a cpu architect, so I couldn't really explain all those
    details :)

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    AD., Aug 22, 2005
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  6. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Brendan Guest

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:01:32 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >
    > "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a
    > next generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this new
    > core is going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I
    > think it¢s going to be something completely different."
    >
    > There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth the
    > read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read... they're
    > entertaining atleast :)


    They do not hold an AMD Gold certificate Dave. Therefore they know nothing.

    ;)

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    Brendan, Aug 22, 2005
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  7. Brendan wrote:
    >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496


    >>There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth the
    >>read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read... they're
    >>entertaining atleast :)


    > They do not hold an AMD Gold certificate Dave. Therefore they know nothing.
    > ;)


    ummm, but it's about Intel stuff... wouldn't they need an Intel Gold
    cert or equivilent?

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    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Aug 22, 2005
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  8. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    -=rjh=- Guest

    Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >
    > "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a
    > next generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this new
    > core is going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I
    > think it’s going to be something completely different."
    >
    > There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth the
    > read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the read... they're
    > entertaining atleast :)


    Interesting article, but how relevant is it really? Desktop cpus are
    really a commodity item for all but a very few; the same will soon also
    be true of laptop cpus. Margins are going to continue to shrink.

    Where the action really is going to be is in mobile and handheld, low
    power, always on devices; the market for these is *huge*, and people
    aren't hung up on GHz as they are with desktop processors. People don't
    even care about OS, they only want an ergonomic interface suited to the
    task at hand, small size and good battery life. And people do buy
    multiple devices - very few own more than one PC concurrently. Heck,
    people will even regularly upgrade personal devices, while they are more
    reluctant to upgrade a PC.

    There has been a lot of speculation about Palm's next new product
    (sounds like it should be really amazing - about time, too!) and other
    manufactures are producing new products continuously.

    Cameras, phones, GPS, audio players, personal storage, and heaps of
    other devices all need processors. One billion cellphones in 2009 wil
    need processors.

    Intel already produces quite large quantities of Xscale processors, and
    has just announced a project to revisit x86 processors for low power use.

    All IMHO, but I find desktop computers rather boring these days :)
     
    -=rjh=-, Aug 23, 2005
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  9. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    > Brendan wrote:
    >>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496

    >
    >>> There is a heap of info in this article, and I found it well worth
    >>> the read... Theinq is not always right, but always worth the
    >>> read... they're entertaining atleast :)

    >
    >> They do not hold an AMD Gold certificate Dave. Therefore they know
    >> nothing. ;)

    >
    > ummm, but it's about Intel stuff... wouldn't they need an Intel Gold
    > cert or equivilent?


    I don't think it matters. The person who started strutting his Gold Star in
    people's faces did so in a thread where a CPU manufacturer hadn't even been
    mentioned. If you have a Gold Star you are an uber 733t god and nothing you
    say can be questioned.
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    ~misfit~, Aug 23, 2005
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  10. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    ~misfit~ Guest

    AD. wrote:
    > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:16:43 +1200, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >
    >> You know what's really amusing (to me anyway)? The Pentium M is a
    >> direct descendant of the Pentium 3 Tualatin, re-jigged by the Intel
    >> Israel team. I've always maintained that the P4 was a bad CPU. Seems
    >> it may have been a dead-end in the evolution of CPUs.

    >
    > Apparently the closeness of the M to the Tualatin is quite often
    > overstated - the Pentium M's design being very highly modified and
    > even containing a few of the P4 design features.


    I read an interesting and in-depth article a while back (sorry, no URL)
    about the then-new Banias CPU. It included an interwiew with the head of the
    Intel Israel R&D team who developed it. He stated that they believed that
    the Tualatin was an excellent CPU and only dumped at the time because it
    wouldn't scale with the then-current fabrication-technology and AMD had hurt
    Intel by getting to 1Ghz first so Intel had gone for the high-MHz P4
    approach and dropped the Tualatin. (Paraphrasing here).

    He stated that the Banias (and the Dothan that followed) was based on the
    Tualatin core but included the latest technology such as improved pre-fetch
    etc. and a lot larger L2. So, yeah, I dare say it does owe some of it's
    'parentage' to the P4 but the majority of it the the Tualatin.

    > But I'm not a cpu architect, so I couldn't really explain all those
    > details :)


    Me either. I'm just an interested reader.
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    ~misfit~, Aug 23, 2005
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  11. ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>They do not hold an AMD Gold certificate Dave. Therefore they know
    >>>nothing. ;)


    >>ummm, but it's about Intel stuff... wouldn't they need an Intel Gold
    >>cert or equivilent?


    > I don't think it matters. The person who started strutting his Gold Star in
    > people's faces did so in a thread where a CPU manufacturer hadn't even been
    > mentioned. If you have a Gold Star you are an uber 733t god and nothing you
    > say can be questioned.


    ok then.

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    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Aug 23, 2005
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  12. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Brendan Guest

    On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:53:39 +1200, ~misfit~ wrote:

    >> ummm, but it's about Intel stuff... wouldn't they need an Intel Gold
    >> cert or equivilent?

    >
    > I don't think it matters. The person who started strutting his Gold Star in
    > people's faces did so in a thread where a CPU manufacturer hadn't even been
    > mentioned. If you have a Gold Star you are an uber 733t god and nothing you
    > say can be questioned.


    It's true.

    I have TWO gold stars AND a smily face stamp!

    I am uber super ultra 733t god!

    I can even predict the future! I just choose not to ;)

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    Brendan, Aug 23, 2005
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  13. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Brendan Guest

    On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:04:34 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > ummm, but it's about Intel stuff... wouldn't they need an Intel Gold
    > cert or equivilent?


    Nope. Hog tells me it even get's you into brain surgery.

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    Brendan, Aug 23, 2005
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  14. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    AD. Guest

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:01:32 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >
    > "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a next
    > generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this new core is
    > going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I think it's
    > going to be something completely different."


    Oh well, it looks like The Inquirer strikes out again :)

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    AD., Aug 23, 2005
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  15. AD. wrote:
    >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
    >>"AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel developer forum, the firm is due to announce a next
    >>generation x86 processor core. The current speculation is this new core is
    >>going too be based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I think it's
    >>going to be something completely different."


    > Oh well, it looks like The Inquirer strikes out again :)


    got info?
    post a link.

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    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Aug 23, 2005
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  16. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    AD. Guest

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:14:21 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > AD. wrote:
    >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496 "AT NEXT WEEK'S Intel
    >>>developer forum, the firm is due to announce a next generation x86
    >>>processor core. The current speculation is this new core is going too be
    >>>based on one of the existing Pentium M cores. I think it's going to be
    >>>something completely different."

    >
    >> Oh well, it looks like The Inquirer strikes out again :)

    >
    > got info?
    > post a link.


    Saw this from Slashdot - I didn't exactly study it, but at first glance it
    looked like wall to wall next gen Pentium M stuff:

    http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2503

    If I missed anything major, please correct me :)

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    AD., Aug 24, 2005
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  17. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    AD. Guest

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:14:39 +1200, AD. wrote:

    > Saw this from Slashdot - I didn't exactly study it, but at first glance it
    > looked like wall to wall next gen Pentium M stuff:


    After seeing some more details, it looks like it is a hybrid of the P4 and
    Pentium M that has learnt lessons from both. But to me the new stuff looks
    closer to the Pentium M (which is what most people expected) than it is to
    the P4. 14 stage pipelines, no hyperthreading (yet at least).

    The Inquirer though is putting on a brave face claiming that Merom is a
    from the ground up new design.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25623

    I suspect that's just face saving spin though.

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    AD., Aug 24, 2005
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  18. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Guest

    On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:53:39 +1200, "~misfit~"
    <> wrote:

    > If you have a Gold Star you are an uber 733t god and nothing you
    >say can be questioned.


    Is there somewhere I can get a warez copy of this "Gold Star"?:)
     
    , Aug 25, 2005
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