Interesting review on AMD ATI HD 3850 & 3870 55nm video cards

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Nighthawk, Nov 25, 2007.

  1. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk Guest

    http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1

    Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:

    I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    Nighthawk, Nov 25, 2007
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  2. Nighthawk

    thingy Guest

    Nighthawk wrote:
    > http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >
    > Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >
    > I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    > Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    > the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    > wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    > mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    > about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    > 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    > is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    > feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    > very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >
    >


    Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.

    We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....

    regards

    Thing
    thingy, Nov 25, 2007
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  3. Nighthawk

    Bobs Guest

    Nighthawk wrote:
    > http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >
    > Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >
    > I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    > Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    > the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    > wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range.



    The 8600 range was a complete crapfest. Personally I'll rather stick a
    dried turd in my PC than those shitty cards. So a 3850 beating those
    cards isn't worth much.

    For an extra 80 bucks you can get a 8800GT which shits on the 3850 really.

    > I
    > mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    > about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    > 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    > is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    > feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    > very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >
    >
    Bobs, Nov 26, 2007
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  4. Nighthawk

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh interweb Bobs typed:
    > Nighthawk wrote:
    >> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>
    >> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>
    >> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can
    >> purchase the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These
    >> two cards wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600
    >> range.

    >
    >
    > The 8600 range was a complete crapfest. Personally I'll rather stick a
    > dried turd in my PC than those shitty cards. So a 3850 beating those
    > cards isn't worth much.
    >
    > For an extra 80 bucks you can get a 8800GT which shits on the 3850
    > really.


    Hmmm.

    "crapfest" "dried turd" "shitty" "shits on".

    All in such a short post.

    Ya get the feeling someone spent 5 years potty training?
    --
    TTFN,

    Shaun.
    ~misfit~, Nov 26, 2007
    #4
  5. Nighthawk

    Bobs Guest

    ~misfit~ wrote:
    > Somewhere on teh interweb Bobs typed:
    >> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>
    >>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>
    >>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can
    >>> purchase the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These
    >>> two cards wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600
    >>> range.

    >>
    >> The 8600 range was a complete crapfest. Personally I'll rather stick a
    >> dried turd in my PC than those shitty cards. So a 3850 beating those
    >> cards isn't worth much.
    >>
    >> For an extra 80 bucks you can get a 8800GT which shits on the 3850
    >> really.

    >
    > Hmmm.
    >
    > "crapfest" "dried turd" "shitty" "shits on".
    >
    > All in such a short post.
    >
    > Ya get the feeling someone spent 5 years potty training?


    Mate, I still shit myself when Helen Clark shows her ugly mug on the TV.
    Bobs, Nov 26, 2007
    #5
  6. Nighthawk

    Richard Guest

    ~misfit~ wrote:
    >
    > "crapfest" "dried turd" "shitty" "shits on".
    >
    > All in such a short post.
    >
    > Ya get the feeling someone spent 5 years potty training?


    No, just into his fecalphillia
    Richard, Nov 26, 2007
    #6
  7. Nighthawk

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh interweb Richard typed:
    > ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>
    >> "crapfest" "dried turd" "shitty" "shits on".
    >>
    >> All in such a short post.
    >>
    >> Ya get the feeling someone spent 5 years potty training?

    >
    > No, just into his fecalphillia


    Yeah, that would explain it.
    --
    TTFN,

    Shaun.
    ~misfit~, Nov 26, 2007
    #7
  8. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk Guest

    On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    wrote:

    >Nighthawk wrote:
    >> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>
    >> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>
    >> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    >> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    >> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    >but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    >were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.
    >
    >We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >
    >regards
    >
    >Thing


    It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI.

    How about a 3890? There is plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.

    The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    Nighthawk, Nov 27, 2007
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  9. Nighthawk

    Ross Guest

    On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:19:21 +1300, Bobs
    <> wrote:

    >> Hmmm.
    >>
    >> "crapfest" "dried turd" "shitty" "shits on".
    >>
    >> All in such a short post.
    >>
    >> Ya get the feeling someone spent 5 years potty training?

    >
    >Mate, I still shit myself when Helen Clark shows her ugly mug on the TV.


    That is understandable,
    I feel the same when I see old news films showing Hitler,
    Ross, Nov 27, 2007
    #9
  10. Nighthawk

    thingy Guest

    Nighthawk wrote:
    > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>
    >>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>
    >>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    >>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    >>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    >> but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    >> were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.
    >>
    >> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>
    >> regards
    >>
    >> Thing

    >
    > It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    > half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    > less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    > support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI.
    >
    > How about a 3890? There is plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    > suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >
    > The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    > card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    > hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    > MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >


    Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you
    dont want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a 8800GT.

    regards

    Thing
    thingy, Nov 28, 2007
    #10
  11. Nighthawk

    impossible Guest

    "thingy" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Nighthawk wrote:
    >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>
    >>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    >>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    >>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    >>> but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    >>> were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.
    >>>
    >>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>
    >>> regards
    >>>
    >>> Thing

    >>
    >> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There is
    >> plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>
    >> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>

    >
    > Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    > 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you dont
    > want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a 8800GT.
    >


    Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just another
    mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have something else at
    the top end to save for.
    impossible, Nov 28, 2007
    #11
  12. Nighthawk

    Bobs Guest

    impossible wrote:
    > "thingy" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    >>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    >>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    >>>> but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    >>>> were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.
    >>>>
    >>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>
    >>>> regards
    >>>>
    >>>> Thing
    >>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There is
    >>> plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>
    >>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>

    >> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you dont
    >> want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a 8800GT.
    >>

    >
    > Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just another
    > mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have something else at
    > the top end to save for.
    >
    >


    And then wait another 6 months....and then another six months...and then
    another six months...there's always something around the corner man.

    The best games always come out at xmas time. Just recently, Crysis, Call
    of Duty 4, Unreal Tournament 2007 to name a few.
    Bobs, Nov 28, 2007
    #12
  13. Nighthawk

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    "Nighthawk" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >
    > Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >
    > I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    > Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    > the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    > wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    > mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    > about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    > 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    > is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    > feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    > very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.


    Wouldn't waste my time - get an 8800GT instead and be happy :)
    Mickey Mouse, Nov 28, 2007
    #13
  14. Nighthawk

    impossible Guest

    "Bobs" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > impossible wrote:
    >> "thingy" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can
    >>>>>> purchase
    >>>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a
    >>>>>> demonic
    >>>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>>>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT
    >>>>> dead, but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and
    >>>>> ATI2600 were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying
    >>>>> myself.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>>
    >>>>> regards
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thing
    >>>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >>>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There
    >>>> is plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>>
    >>>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >>>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>>
    >>> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >>> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you
    >>> dont want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a
    >>> 8800GT.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just
    >> another mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have
    >> something else at the top end to save for.

    >
    > And then wait another 6 months....and then another six months...and then
    > another six months...there's always something around the corner man.
    >


    Agreed. My sarcasm must have been too subtle ;)

    > The best games always come out at xmas time. Just recently, Crysis, Call
    > of Duty 4, Unreal Tournament 2007 to name a few.
    impossible, Nov 28, 2007
    #14
  15. Nighthawk

    thingy Guest

    impossible wrote:
    > "thingy" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    >>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    >>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    >>>> but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    >>>> were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.
    >>>>
    >>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>
    >>>> regards
    >>>>
    >>>> Thing
    >>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There is
    >>> plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>
    >>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>

    >> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you dont
    >> want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a 8800GT.
    >>

    >
    > Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just another
    > mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have something else at
    > the top end to save for.
    >
    >


    Im saving, if I had the $ today and they were not over priced I'd get
    one now.

    :p

    Unless there is a "better" mid-range card about when I go to buy the
    8800GT it is what I will get. It is good enough and once the initial
    scarcity goes away so the price will drop to reasonably
    affordable.....so for 50% of the cost of the top end giving 80~90% of
    the top performance which is also good enough for the games I have and
    will have....

    I'm sure that there will be GTX's and Ultras shortly that will rise
    above the 8800Gt enough to justify the markup.....might be something out
    on the 3rd Dec....

    regards

    Thing
    thingy, Nov 28, 2007
    #15
  16. Nighthawk

    impossible Guest

    "thingy" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > impossible wrote:
    >> "thingy" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can
    >>>>>> purchase
    >>>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a
    >>>>>> demonic
    >>>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>>>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT
    >>>>> dead, but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and
    >>>>> ATI2600 were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying
    >>>>> myself.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>>
    >>>>> regards
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thing
    >>>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >>>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There
    >>>> is plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>>
    >>>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >>>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>>
    >>> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >>> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you
    >>> dont want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a
    >>> 8800GT.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just
    >> another mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have
    >> something else at the top end to save for.

    >
    > Im saving, if I had the $ today and they were not over priced I'd get one
    > now.
    >
    > :p
    >
    > Unless there is a "better" mid-range card about when I go to buy the
    > 8800GT it is what I will get. It is good enough and once the initial
    > scarcity goes away so the price will drop to reasonably affordable.....so
    > for 50% of the cost of the top end giving 80~90% of the top performance
    > which is also good enough for the games I have and will have....
    >
    > I'm sure that there will be GTX's and Ultras shortly that will rise above
    > the 8800Gt enough to justify the markup.....might be something out on the
    > 3rd Dec....
    >



    I just don't get how any of this relates to Radeon 3850 review. So, ok, you
    have your sights set on a better card -- the 8800 GT -- but then you don't
    have the money to buy it right now. Presumably, your current card is "good
    enough" for the time being. But what if it weren't? What if you were
    upgrading from a much older, slower generation and couldn't wait fore the
    8800 GT price to drop? Wouldn't you then be more inclined to think about the
    Radeon 3850? That's what these reviews are all about -- a point of
    comparison for a wide range of potential users. Rubbishing a new product
    simple because it doesn't fit **your** upgrade pattern isn't saying much.
    impossible, Nov 29, 2007
    #16
  17. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk Guest

    On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:15:14 +1300, thingy <>
    wrote:

    >impossible wrote:
    >> "thingy" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can purchase
    >>>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a demonic
    >>>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>>>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT dead,
    >>>>> but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and ATI2600
    >>>>> were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying myself.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>>
    >>>>> regards
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thing
    >>>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >>>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There is
    >>>> plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>>
    >>>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >>>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>>
    >>> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >>> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you dont
    >>> want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a 8800GT.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just another
    >> mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have something else at
    >> the top end to save for.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Im saving, if I had the $ today and they were not over priced I'd get
    >one now.
    >
    >:p
    >
    >Unless there is a "better" mid-range card about when I go to buy the
    >8800GT it is what I will get. It is good enough and once the initial
    >scarcity goes away so the price will drop to reasonably
    >affordable.....so for 50% of the cost of the top end giving 80~90% of
    >the top performance which is also good enough for the games I have and
    >will have....
    >
    >I'm sure that there will be GTX's and Ultras shortly that will rise
    >above the 8800Gt enough to justify the markup.....might be something out
    >on the 3rd Dec....
    >

    They're in the $900 - $1600 range on Paradigm's website at the moment.
    One would have to be heavily into gaming to outlay that sort of money
    and a PC to match and where will it be in a year?
    Nighthawk, Nov 29, 2007
    #17
  18. Nighthawk

    Bobs Guest

    impossible wrote:
    > "thingy" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> impossible wrote:
    >>> "thingy" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it, the
    >>>>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can
    >>>>>>> purchase
    >>>>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two cards
    >>>>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a
    >>>>>>> demonic
    >>>>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics adapter
    >>>>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in a
    >>>>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it cannot
    >>>>>> even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the 8600GT
    >>>>>> dead, but that is not surprising considering how bad the 8600GT and
    >>>>>> ATI2600 were/are....I would not even class them as worth buying
    >>>>>> myself.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> regards
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Thing
    >>>>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>>>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>>>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1
    >>>>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There
    >>>>> is plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>>>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>>>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600 in
    >>>>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>>>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>>>
    >>>> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >>>> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you
    >>>> dont want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a
    >>>> 8800GT.
    >>>>
    >>> Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just
    >>> another mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have
    >>> something else at the top end to save for.

    >> Im saving, if I had the $ today and they were not over priced I'd get one
    >> now.
    >>
    >> :p
    >>
    >> Unless there is a "better" mid-range card about when I go to buy the
    >> 8800GT it is what I will get. It is good enough and once the initial
    >> scarcity goes away so the price will drop to reasonably affordable.....so
    >> for 50% of the cost of the top end giving 80~90% of the top performance
    >> which is also good enough for the games I have and will have....
    >>
    >> I'm sure that there will be GTX's and Ultras shortly that will rise above
    >> the 8800Gt enough to justify the markup.....might be something out on the
    >> 3rd Dec....
    >>

    >
    >
    > I just don't get how any of this relates to Radeon 3850 review. So, ok, you
    > have your sights set on a better card -- the 8800 GT -- but then you don't
    > have the money to buy it right now. Presumably, your current card is "good
    > enough" for the time being. But what if it weren't? What if you were
    > upgrading from a much older, slower generation and couldn't wait fore the
    > 8800 GT price to drop? Wouldn't you then be more inclined to think about the
    > Radeon 3850? That's what these reviews are all about -- a point of
    > comparison for a wide range of potential users. Rubbishing a new product
    > simple because it doesn't fit **your** upgrade pattern isn't saying much.
    >
    >


    Because at the current time the only 3850 cards around in NZ are a
    paltry 256 meg version (forget about playing at high resolution, or
    large texture DX10 games with that) and only a 100$ cheaper than a
    8800GT which has double the memory and considerable performance gain.

    So you next option is the 512 3870 which is pretty much the same price
    as the 8800GT at the current time and 10-15% slower...so forget it.

    Whenever the 512 meg version of the 3850 comes out, it could be
    interesting to see what price it is. But again, if it's within $50 of a
    8800GT...why bother? May as well pay an extra 50 bucks at get 20-25%
    better performance.

    The argument, of course, is that they are competing against the 8600
    series cards, and that they spank them (and they do). Problem being the
    8600 cards can be picked up for $164 according the pricespy. Half the
    price of a 3850.
    Bobs, Nov 29, 2007
    #18
  19. Nighthawk

    impossible Guest

    "Bobs" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > impossible wrote:
    >> "thingy" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> impossible wrote:
    >>>> "thingy" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:34:33 +1300, thingy <>
    >>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Nighthawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>> http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Reviewer is especially impressed with the midrange 3850:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I don't use "that" word too often in my reviews, but "frack" it,
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>> Radeon 3850 is just miraculous. For roughly 150 bucks you can
    >>>>>>>> purchase
    >>>>>>>> the 256MB model, for roughly 199 USD the 512MB model. These two
    >>>>>>>> cards
    >>>>>>>> wipe the floor clean with the entire NVIDIA's GeForce 8600 range. I
    >>>>>>>> mean seriously .. if the prices stand as stated today then forget
    >>>>>>>> about any of the 8600 cards, the 3850 is the way to go. With a
    >>>>>>>> demonic
    >>>>>>>> 666 million transistors, full Avivo HD decoding this graphics
    >>>>>>>> adapter
    >>>>>>>> is feature packed, armed & loaded to play your games. But not only
    >>>>>>>> feature packed, it's the first mid-range priced series of cards in
    >>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>> very long time that is actually bringing a smile to my face.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Biggest issue I take with it is, its ATI's top end GPU, yet it
    >>>>>>> cannot even get to the 8800GT a mid-range card...it does beat the
    >>>>>>> 8600GT dead, but that is not surprising considering how bad the
    >>>>>>> 8600GT and ATI2600 were/are....I would not even class them as worth
    >>>>>>> buying myself.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> We seem to have entered the world of 17% less performance but 20%
    >>>>>>> cheaper.....ie margins/price points are shaved very closely.....
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> regards
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Thing
    >>>>>> It gives a clue to what might be to come given that it uses less than
    >>>>>> half the power of the previous card for the same performance, a lot
    >>>>>> less heat and much quieter, full PCI-Express 2.0 support, DirectX
    >>>>>> 10.1
    >>>>>> support and CrossFireX support for up to four cards
    >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI. How about a 3890? There
    >>>>>> is plenty of headroom. I even saw a
    >>>>>> suggestion of dual GPU cards. Its early days.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> The HD 3850 would certainly appeal to me and anyone who wants a quiet
    >>>>>> card for video playback, upscaling HD DVD and BluRay to 2560 x 1600
    >>>>>> in
    >>>>>> hardware and hardware HDCP and HDMI, video acceleration for MPEG-2,
    >>>>>> MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Since the choice is a 8600GT or a 8800GT (for video playback) and the
    >>>>> 8600gt is a joke for gamers....the 3870/50 looks a good choice if you
    >>>>> dont want to fork out for a 8800GT........personally I'd save for a
    >>>>> 8800GT.
    >>>>>
    >>>> Better to just wait wait 6 months -- by then the 8800GT will be just
    >>>> another mid-range performer at a mid-range price, and you'll have
    >>>> something else at the top end to save for.
    >>> Im saving, if I had the $ today and they were not over priced I'd get
    >>> one now.
    >>>
    >>> :p
    >>>
    >>> Unless there is a "better" mid-range card about when I go to buy the
    >>> 8800GT it is what I will get. It is good enough and once the initial
    >>> scarcity goes away so the price will drop to reasonably
    >>> affordable.....so for 50% of the cost of the top end giving 80~90% of
    >>> the top performance which is also good enough for the games I have and
    >>> will have....
    >>>
    >>> I'm sure that there will be GTX's and Ultras shortly that will rise
    >>> above the 8800Gt enough to justify the markup.....might be something out
    >>> on the 3rd Dec....
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I just don't get how any of this relates to Radeon 3850 review. So, ok,
    >> you have your sights set on a better card -- the 8800 GT -- but then you
    >> don't have the money to buy it right now. Presumably, your current card
    >> is "good enough" for the time being. But what if it weren't? What if you
    >> were upgrading from a much older, slower generation and couldn't wait
    >> fore the 8800 GT price to drop? Wouldn't you then be more inclined to
    >> think about the Radeon 3850? That's what these reviews are all about -- a
    >> point of comparison for a wide range of potential users. Rubbishing a new
    >> product simple because it doesn't fit **your** upgrade pattern isn't
    >> saying much.

    >
    > Because at the current time the only 3850 cards around in NZ are a paltry
    > 256 meg version (forget about playing at high resolution, or large texture
    > DX10 games with that) and only a 100$ cheaper than a 8800GT which has
    > double the memory and considerable performance gain.
    >


    **If** your gaming requirements are so demanding, and **if** you have the
    money to spare then sure, splash out for the 8800 GT. Otherwise, the 3850
    might be perfect.

    > So you next option is the 512 3870 which is pretty much the same price as
    > the 8800GT at the current time and 10-15% slower...so forget it.
    >


    Again, your sense of what constitutes "value" might not be everyone's.
    3870's are 10-15 cheaper for that 10-15% difference in performance. Maybe
    that 10-15% difference in price is in consequnetial to you, but others may
    differ. And since that 10-15% performance improvement on the 880 GT's may be
    imperceptible except on a testbench, who know's what's the best choice? If
    you read the review, you'll notice that there are other design features of
    the 3800 series that are pretty valuable. Maybe not to you, but others may
    have different priorities.

    > Whenever the 512 meg version of the 3850 comes out, it could be
    > interesting to see what price it is. But again, if it's within $50 of a
    > 8800GT...why bother? May as well pay an extra 50 bucks at get 20-25%
    > better performance.
    >


    Or not.

    > The argument, of course, is that they are competing against the 8600
    > series cards, and that they spank them (and they do). Problem being the
    > 8600 cards can be picked up for $164 according the pricespy. Half the
    > price of a 3850.


    In the US market, the 3850s run about 20% more than 8600s and 40% less than
    the 8800GTs. Once supply gets ramped up here, I assume the NZ market will
    look much the same. That leaves a fair bit of room for people to choose
    different priuorities, which can't be anything but good. Don't you think?
    impossible, Nov 29, 2007
    #19
  20. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk Guest

    On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:02:26 +1300, Bobs
    <> wrote:


    >> I just don't get how any of this relates to Radeon 3850 review. So, ok, you
    >> have your sights set on a better card -- the 8800 GT -- but then you don't
    >> have the money to buy it right now. Presumably, your current card is "good
    >> enough" for the time being. But what if it weren't? What if you were
    >> upgrading from a much older, slower generation and couldn't wait fore the
    >> 8800 GT price to drop? Wouldn't you then be more inclined to think about the
    >> Radeon 3850? That's what these reviews are all about -- a point of
    >> comparison for a wide range of potential users. Rubbishing a new product
    >> simple because it doesn't fit **your** upgrade pattern isn't saying much.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Because at the current time the only 3850 cards around in NZ are a
    >paltry 256 meg version (forget about playing at high resolution, or
    >large texture DX10 games with that) and only a 100$ cheaper than a
    >8800GT which has double the memory and considerable performance gain.
    >
    >So you next option is the 512 3870 which is pretty much the same price
    >as the 8800GT at the current time and 10-15% slower...so forget it.
    >
    >Whenever the 512 meg version of the 3850 comes out, it could be
    >interesting to see what price it is. But again, if it's within $50 of a
    >8800GT...why bother? May as well pay an extra 50 bucks at get 20-25%
    >better performance.
    >
    >The argument, of course, is that they are competing against the 8600
    >series cards, and that they spank them (and they do). Problem being the
    >8600 cards can be picked up for $164 according the pricespy. Half the
    >price of a 3850.


    If your priority was video then the 3850 would definitely be the way
    to go. on
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/26/avivo_hd_vs_purevideo/index.html
    there is a comparison of AVIVO HD vs. Purevideo in midrange and
    low-end cards including Radeon 2600 XT and Geforce 8600 GTS. Video
    enhancement post-processing on the 8600 didn't work except on Vista.

    But here is another very good review for the 3850:
    http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=articles&go=read&arc_id=137
    Nighthawk, Nov 29, 2007
    #20
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