inserting word document into front page express web page

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  1. Route 9w

    Route 9w Guest

    Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    Thanks
    Joe


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  2. Route 9w

    Harrison Guest

    Copy and paste?

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:35:02 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    wrote:

    >Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    >Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    >Thanks
    >Joe
    >
    >
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  3. Route 9w

    Route 9w Guest

    sorry, I was not clear. I have no problems bringing them up in FPE,
    but the little 'web bot' squares show up and need to be deleted.

    they are yellow in color and indicate some kid of spacing in the
    document.

    Here is a text sample --text should just say

    Number of patients transported


    I cannot show you the yellow things here --they show up as yoellow
    squares with <?> inside them

    After I delete all of them, the &nbsp thingies have to be deleted to
    correct the web document spacing

    Thanks for the time.
    Joe


    <p class="MsoHeader"
    style="margin-right:-.5in;tab-stops:.5in 3.0in"><b><span
    style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
    10.0pt"><span
    style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    </span>&gt;Number of patients transported<span
    style="mso-tab-count:2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    </span>------------------------<span
    style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span
    style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>666<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>



    On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:58:22 -0500, Harrison <Harrison> wrote:

    >Copy and paste?
    >
    >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:35:02 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    >>Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    >>Thanks
    >>Joe
    >>
    >>
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  4. Route 9w

    Harrison Guest

    Not a direct answer, but if you're wanting to convert Word docs for
    use on the web, and you want to maintain the formatting, I suggest you
    use Adobe Acrobat.

    Also take a look at Open Office.

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:28:32 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    wrote:

    >sorry, I was not clear. I have no problems bringing them up in FPE,
    >but the little 'web bot' squares show up and need to be deleted.
    >
    >they are yellow in color and indicate some kid of spacing in the
    >document.
    >
    >Here is a text sample --text should just say
    >
    >Number of patients transported
    >
    >
    >I cannot show you the yellow things here --they show up as yoellow
    >squares with <?> inside them
    >
    >After I delete all of them, the &nbsp thingies have to be deleted to
    >correct the web document spacing
    >
    >Thanks for the time.
    >Joe
    >
    >
    ><p class="MsoHeader"
    >style="margin-right:-.5in;tab-stops:.5in 3.0in"><b><span
    >style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
    >10.0pt"><span
    >style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    ></span>&gt;Number of patients transported<span
    >style="mso-tab-count:2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    ></span>------------------------<span
    >style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span
    >style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>666<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
    >
    >
    >
    >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:58:22 -0500, Harrison <Harrison> wrote:
    >
    >>Copy and paste?
    >>
    >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:35:02 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    >>>Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    >>>Thanks
    >>>Joe
    >>>
    >>>
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    >
    >
    >
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  5. Route 9w

    jda^fx Guest

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:35:02 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    wrote:

    >Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    >Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    >Thanks
    >Joe
    >
    >
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    It's very easy. Stop using Front Page. The code it generate is way out
    of the standart set by the W3C, try the validator at
    http://validator.w3.org/ A nice little html editor is HTML-Kit
    http://www.chami.com/html-kit/ (freeware) and Mozilla composer
    http://www.mozilla.org (also freeware) comes with wysiwyg editor and
    all.
    --
    and never X marks the spot
    jda^fx
     
    jda^fx, Jan 29, 2004
    #5
  6. Route 9w

    why? Guest

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:28:32 -0500, Route 9w wrote:

    >sorry, I was not clear. I have no problems bringing them up in FPE,
    >but the little 'web bot' squares show up and need to be deleted.


    Don't the webbot squares only show up in HTML edit view. If you view the
    page in browser it should look (allowing for the crap HTML and any
    conversion process) more as expected.

    >they are yellow in color and indicate some kid of spacing in the
    >document.
    >
    >Here is a text sample --text should just say
    >
    >Number of patients transported
    >
    >
    >I cannot show you the yellow things here --they show up as yoellow
    >squares with <?> inside them
    >
    >After I delete all of them, the &nbsp thingies have to be deleted to
    >correct the web document spacing


    So is the original document using spaces or tabs to do the layout?

    Convert to one of these,
    PDF Adobe Acrobat format,
    Text,
    or
    Save as HTML from Word first. Not great. But it lets you cut/paste the
    HTML result (remeber to remove the <HTML>, heading, body bits.)
    Bit you already did that? FPE I didn't think it will convert a .doc into
    the format as you pasted below.

    Are you simply dragging the .doc into the FPE edit window?

    The &nbsp thingies, are non-breaking spaces.
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html#iso-88591
    24.2.1 The list of characters

    <!ENTITY nbsp CDATA " " -- no-break space = non-breaking space,
    U+00A0 ISOnum -->

    http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci214630,00.html
    When you type several consecutive spaces into an HTML file, only the
    first space is recognized; all spaces that follow are ignored.


    >Thanks for the time.
    >Joe
    >
    >
    ><p class="MsoHeader"
    >style="margin-right:-.5in;tab-stops:.5in 3.0in"><b><span
    >style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
    >10.0pt"><span
    >style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;


    <snip>

    >
    >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:58:22 -0500, Harrison <Harrison> wrote:
    >
    >>Copy and paste?
    >>
    >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:35:02 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    >>>Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    >>>Thanks
    >>>Joe

    <snip>

    Me
     
    why?, Jan 30, 2004
    #6
  7. Route 9w

    Route 9w Guest

    Thanks for the time.


    Actually, I just opened the word document using FPE, which I find very
    easy to use, and the result was the 'bot' stuff.

    As I do not know about spaces or tab use for sure, here is what one
    line of the document looks like in word:

    >Number of EMS calls dispatched


    Here is the html code as it is in the document when 'saved as web
    page' in word and then opened in FPE:

    <p class="MsoNormal"
    style="margin-right:-.5in;tab-stops:.5in 3.0in"><span
    style="mso-tab-count:
    1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    </span><b>&gt;Number of EMS calls dispatched <span
    style="mso-tab-count:2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    </span>------------------------<span
    style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    </span>1162<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
    .........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    To test, I opened a new blank word document, keyed in the
    text,-->Number of EMS calls dispatched-- saved it as a web page--then
    opened it in FPE(convert from HTML) and here is the (apologies for the
    length) document that resulted!

    <html>

    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
    content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    <meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document">
    <meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9">
    <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage Express 2.0">
    <title>>Number of EMS calls Dispatched</title>
    <link rel="File-List"
    href="./Number%20of%20EMS%20calls%20Dispatched%20joe%20test_files/filelist.xml">
    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
    <o:DocumentProperties>
    <o:Author>Test</o:Author>
    <o:LastAuthor>Test</o:LastAuthor>
    <o:Revision>1</o:Revision>
    <o:TotalTime>1</o:TotalTime>
    <o:Created>2004-01-31T13:27:00Z</o:Created>
    <o:LastSaved>2004-01-31T13:28:00Z</o:LastSaved>
    <o:pages>1</o:pages>
    <o:Company>Test Company</o:Company>
    <o:Lines>1</o:Lines>
    <o:paragraphs>1</o:paragraphs>
    <o:Version>9.6926</o:Version>
    </o:DocumentProperties>
    </xml><![endif]-->
    <style>
    <!--
    /* Font Definitions */
    @font-face
    {font-family:Tahoma;
    panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;
    mso-font-charset:0;
    mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
    mso-font-pitch:variable;
    mso-font-signature:1627421319 -2147483648 8 0 66047 0;}
    /* Style Definitions */
    p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
    {mso-style-parent:"";
    margin:0in;
    margin-bottom:.0001pt;
    mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
    font-size:12.0pt;
    font-family:"Times New Roman";
    mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
    @page Section1
    {size:8.5in 11.0in;
    margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
    mso-header-margin:.5in;
    mso-footer-margin:.5in;
    mso-paper-source:0;}
    div.Section1
    {page:Section1;}
    -->
    </style>
    </head>

    <body lang="EN-US" style="tab-interval:.5in">

    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Tahoma">&gt;Number of
    EMS calls Dispatched<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
    </body>
    </html>

    Of course, the yellow bot symbols appeared(one at the beginning and
    three at the end). Of course, it does seem a might bit awful lot of
    code for the 5 or 6 words!

    I am sure that i need to remove something to stop this but maybe it is
    just better to rekey the document directly into an html editor. I did
    download Mozilla and the html kit and, while they seem to be OK, I am
    used to FPE. If I have to rekey, I will probably not use FPE, but the
    Mozilla, as it looks the friendliest.


    I apologize for the length and probably unnecessary long length of
    this post.
    Joe


    On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:18:59 GMT, why?
    <fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote:

    >
    >On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:28:32 -0500, Route 9w wrote:
    >
    >>sorry, I was not clear. I have no problems bringing them up in FPE,
    >>but the little 'web bot' squares show up and need to be deleted.

    >
    >Don't the webbot squares only show up in HTML edit view. If you view the
    >page in browser it should look (allowing for the crap HTML and any
    >conversion process) more as expected.
    >
    >>they are yellow in color and indicate some kid of spacing in the
    >>document.
    >>
    >>Here is a text sample --text should just say
    >>
    >>Number of patients transported
    >>
    >>
    >>I cannot show you the yellow things here --they show up as yoellow
    >>squares with <?> inside them
    >>
    >>After I delete all of them, the &nbsp thingies have to be deleted to
    >>correct the web document spacing

    >
    >So is the original document using spaces or tabs to do the layout?
    >
    >Convert to one of these,
    >PDF Adobe Acrobat format,
    >Text,
    >or
    >Save as HTML from Word first. Not great. But it lets you cut/paste the
    >HTML result (remeber to remove the <HTML>, heading, body bits.)
    >Bit you already did that? FPE I didn't think it will convert a .doc into
    >the format as you pasted below.
    >
    >Are you simply dragging the .doc into the FPE edit window?
    >
    >The &nbsp thingies, are non-breaking spaces.
    >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html#iso-88591
    >24.2.1 The list of characters
    >
    ><!ENTITY nbsp CDATA " " -- no-break space = non-breaking space,
    > U+00A0 ISOnum -->
    >
    >http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci214630,00.html
    >When you type several consecutive spaces into an HTML file, only the
    >first space is recognized; all spaces that follow are ignored.
    >
    >
    >>Thanks for the time.
    >>Joe
    >>
    >>
    >><p class="MsoHeader"
    >>style="margin-right:-.5in;tab-stops:.5in 3.0in"><b><span
    >>style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
    >>10.0pt"><span
    >>style="mso-tab-count:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

    >
    ><snip>
    >
    >>
    >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:58:22 -0500, Harrison <Harrison> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Copy and paste?
    >>>
    >>>On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:35:02 -0500, Route 9w <elvis @brick_row.net>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Every time I do this, all the extraneous 'web bot' thingies show up.
    >>>>Does anyone know how to eliminate them other than the hard way?
    >>>>Thanks
    >>>>Joe

    ><snip>
    >
    >Me




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  8. Route 9w

    why? Guest

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:40:20 -0500, Route 9w wrote:

    >Thanks for the time.
    >
    >
    >Actually, I just opened the word document using FPE, which I find very
    >easy to use, and the result was the 'bot' stuff.


    Always happens.

    >
    >As I do not know about spaces or tab use for sure, here is what one
    >line of the document looks like in word:
    >
    >>Number of EMS calls dispatched

    >
    >Here is the html code as it is in the document when 'saved as web
    >page' in word and then opened in FPE:


    Something to avoid, the MS HTML produced is heading towards XML and a
    lot of inline CSS for document portablity but still very bloated code.

    ><p class="MsoNormal"
    >style="margin-right:-.5in;tab-stops:.5in 3.0in"><span
    >style="mso-tab-count:
    >1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    ></span><b>&gt;Number of EMS calls dispatched <span
    >style="mso-tab-count:2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

    <snip>

    >To test, I opened a new blank word document, keyed in the
    >text,-->Number of EMS calls dispatched-- saved it as a web page--then
    >opened it in FPE(convert from HTML) and here is the (apologies for the
    >length) document that resulted!


    Seen this all too often, never used FPE however but FP 1.1 to 2003 all
    do the same rubbish.

    ><html>
    >
    ><head>
    ><meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
    >content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    ><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document">
    ><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9">


    As long as you keep using ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you will
    always get the bots, for unknown tags as FPE has no way of understanding
    the markup Word created.

    ><meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage Express 2.0">
    ><title>>Number of EMS calls Dispatched</title>
    ><link rel="File-List"
    >href="./Number%20of%20EMS%20calls%20Dispatched%20joe%20test_files/filelist.xml">
    ><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
    > <o:DocumentProperties>

    <snip>
    >
    >Of course, the yellow bot symbols appeared(one at the beginning and
    >three at the end). Of course, it does seem a might bit awful lot of
    >code for the 5 or 6 words!


    As mentioned before convert the Word file to PDF.

    >I am sure that i need to remove something to stop this but maybe it is
    >just better to rekey the document directly into an html editor. I did


    Possible, but having used FP a lot, but 3 or 4 years ago now the simple
    solution was to always save the Word doc as text. Paste the text into FP
    editor and reformat it there. This is not always possible and the extra
    works was a pain and could take a while.

    Although you said the webot markers still show, as unknown code deleting
    these will cause complications in the markup.
    What I didn't see an answer for was I think I asked, Ignoring the webots
    in FPE did the page display ok in a browser?

    The trick is, you noticed you have to edit around the bots and fix the
    spacing where all the non-breaking spaces went.

    >download Mozilla and the html kit and, while they seem to be OK, I am
    >used to FPE. If I have to rekey, I will probably not use FPE, but the
    >Mozilla, as it looks the friendliest.

    <snip>

    >I apologize for the length and probably unnecessary long length of
    >this post.
    >Joe


    Well a shorter markup example may have been okay :)

    You will find I expect most any editor will have a problem with the
    markup from Word / Save As webpage.

    Anything that converts 'This is one third line in HTML' into 60 lines of
    markup must have some issues.

    >
    >On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:18:59 GMT, why?
    ><fgrirp*sgc@VAINY!Qznq.fpvragvfg.pbz> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:28:32 -0500, Route 9w wrote:
    >>
    >>>sorry, I was not clear. I have no problems bringing them up in FPE,
    >>>but the little 'web bot' squares show up and need to be deleted.

    >>
    >>Don't the webbot squares only show up in HTML edit view. If you view the
    >>page in browser it should look (allowing for the crap HTML and any
    >>conversion process) more as expected.
    >>
    >>>they are yellow in color and indicate some kid of spacing in the
    >>>document.
    >>>
    >>>Here is a text sample --text should just say
    >>>
    >>>Number of patients transported
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I cannot show you the yellow things here --they show up as yoellow
    >>>squares with <?> inside them
    >>>

    <snip>

    Me
     
    why?, Jan 31, 2004
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