Infrared Photography Competition

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Wayne J. Cosshall, Dec 5, 2006.

  1. Hi All,

    DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450. Details:
    <http://www.dimagemaker.com/comps/maxmax2006/maxmaxcomp.php>
    or
    <http://www.dimagemaker.com/competitions.php>

    Cheers,

    Wayne

    Wayne J. Cosshall
    Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
    Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
    Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography http://
    www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
    Workshops and seminars: http://www.thedigitalimagemaker.com/
    Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/
     
    Wayne J. Cosshall, Dec 5, 2006
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  2. > DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    > MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    > prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.


    Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    worthless to its winner?
     
    Derek Fountain, Dec 5, 2006
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  3. Wayne J. Cosshall

    Bill Again Guest

    "Derek Fountain" <> wrote in message
    news:45755e33$0$97233$...
    >> DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    >> MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    >> prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.

    >
    > Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    > competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    > worthless to its winner?


    Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using the
    relevant filters. You can check if your digital camera can detect IR light
    by shining the TV remote towards the camera lens. When the remote is "on"
    you should see the glow from the sender when you look at it through the VF.
    However, a specialist IR conversion unit or dedicated camera would be quite
    a bonus.

    Bill
     
    Bill Again, Dec 5, 2006
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  4. Bill Again wrote:
    >.. Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using
    > the relevant filters. You can check if your digital camera can detect
    > IR light by shining the TV remote towards the camera lens. When the
    > remote is "on" you should see the glow from the sender when you look
    > at it through the VF.


    With a DSLR????

    > However, a specialist IR conversion unit or
    > dedicated camera would be quite a bonus.
    >
    > Bill


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    Dia 's Muire duit
     
    Joseph Meehan, Dec 5, 2006
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  5. Derek Fountain <> writes:
    > Wayne J Cosshall wrote:


    >> DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    >> MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    >> prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.


    > Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    > competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    > worthless to its winner?


    No. Most digital cameras can - to a varying degree - take IR photos.
    I maintain a webpage listing some of these here:
    http://hannemyr.com/photo/ir.html
    I know Wayne J. Cosshall has a similar list on his web site.

    Of course a converted camera is simpler and more convenient to
    use, but most digital cameras will do for IR.
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    Gisle Hannemyr, Dec 5, 2006
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  6. "Joseph Meehan" <> writes:
    > Bill Again wrote:


    >> Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using
    >> the relevant filters. You can check if your digital camera can detect
    >> IR light by shining the TV remote towards the camera lens. When the
    >> remote is "on" you should see the glow from the sender when you look
    >> at it through the VF.


    > With a DSLR????


    Of course not - the way Bill Again describes the test only works
    if the camera has an EVF.

    But you can do the same test with a DSLR by taking a photograph
    of a tv-remote while somebody presses a button on it that makes
    it emit IR. When you review the image on the review screen,
    you'll see the IR glow described.
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://hannemyr.com/photo/ ]
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    Gisle Hannemyr, Dec 5, 2006
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  7. Wayne J. Cosshall

    Dave Guest

    On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:30:33 +1100, "Wayne J. Cosshall"
    <> somehow managed to impart:

    >Hi All,
    >
    >DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    >MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    >prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450. Details:
    ><http://www.dimagemaker.com/comps/maxmax2006/maxmaxcomp.php>
    >or
    ><http://www.dimagemaker.com/competitions.php>
    >

    Thanks Wayne but the Terms and Conditions seem to assume that the
    world ends at the borders of the USA. I couldn't see any mention of
    place of residence at all.

    Dave.
    <http://www.henniker.org.uk> 3000 photos especially
    Edinburgh & Scotland. + 3D rendered art, old ads etc.
    Délété david for email; watch the spam filters.
     
    Dave, Dec 5, 2006
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  8. Dave wrote:

    > Thanks Wayne but the Terms and Conditions seem to assume that the
    > world ends at the borders of the USA. I couldn't see any mention of
    > place of residence at all.
    >
    > Dave.
    > <http://www.henniker.org.uk> 3000 photos especially
    > Edinburgh & Scotland. + 3D rendered art, old ads etc.
    > Délété david for email; watch the spam filters.


    Hi Dave,

    I'd don't see how you imply that it is US centric. The only US mention
    in the terms and conditions is the one about date definitions of the end
    of the month. I picked US Pacific time because it is about the last time
    zone from which I get entries before the dateline and just in case of
    dispute I had to pick some point. DIMi is truly international. I'm in
    Australia, the site is hosted in Texas (servers are bigger in Texas :)
    and I get entries from all over the world.

    People do have to email with their entry their address so we can
    organise for prizes to be sent.

    Cheers,

    Wayne

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    Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
    Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
     
    Wayne J. Cosshall, Dec 5, 2006
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  9. Gisle Hannemyr wrote:
    > "Joseph Meehan" <> writes:
    >> Bill Again wrote:

    >
    >>> Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using
    >>> the relevant filters. You can check if your digital camera can detect
    >>> IR light by shining the TV remote towards the camera lens. When the
    >>> remote is "on" you should see the glow from the sender when you look
    >>> at it through the VF.

    >
    >> With a DSLR????

    >
    > Of course not - the way Bill Again describes the test only works
    > if the camera has an EVF.
    >
    > But you can do the same test with a DSLR by taking a photograph
    > of a tv-remote while somebody presses a button on it that makes
    > it emit IR. When you review the image on the review screen,
    > you'll see the IR glow described.

    Hi Gang,

    Yup, as Gisle said, his site and mine have lists of cameras that work.
    In fact since I started testing for IR ability I have not found one
    digital camera. from a compact that you have to hold the IR filter over
    the lens to a dSLR that could not take some lovely shots in IR. Have a
    look at the examples on Gisle's site or the IR section on mine:
    <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/digitalir/digitalir.php>
    for articles on how it works, what you need and lots of examples from a
    list of 22 cameras (currently).

    Cheers,

    Wayne

    --
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    Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
    Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
     
    Wayne J. Cosshall, Dec 5, 2006
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  10. Wayne J. Cosshall

    UC Guest

    Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
    > Hi All,
    >
    > DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    > MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    > prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450. Details:
    > <http://www.dimagemaker.com/comps/maxmax2006/maxmaxcomp.php>
    > or
    > <http://www.dimagemaker.com/competitions.php>
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Wayne
    >
    > Wayne J. Cosshall
    > Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
    > Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
    > Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography http://
    > www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
    > Workshops and seminars: http://www.thedigitalimagemaker.com/
    > Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/


    Fucking idiots. Why give a camera away as a prize, when you need a
    camera to win?

    Give away an ipod or something else, dumbass.
     
    UC, Dec 5, 2006
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  11. In article <el3nel$d27$01$-online.com>,
    "Bill Again" <> wrote:

    >
    > "Derek Fountain" <> wrote in message
    > news:45755e33$0$97233$...
    > >> DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    > >> MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    > >> prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.

    > >
    > > Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    > > competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    > > worthless to its winner?

    >
    > Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using the
    > relevant filters.


    That is not IR Photography. There is a big difference between using a
    filter and using the film.
     
    Pierre J. Proudhon, Dec 5, 2006
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  12. Wayne J. Cosshall

    Bill Again Guest

    "Pierre J. Proudhon" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > In article <el3nel$d27$01$-online.com>,
    > "Bill Again" <> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Derek Fountain" <> wrote in message
    >> news:45755e33$0$97233$...
    >> >> DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    >> >> MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    >> >> prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.
    >> >
    >> > Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    >> > competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    >> > worthless to its winner?

    >>
    >> Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using the
    >> relevant filters.

    >
    > That is not IR Photography. There is a big difference between using a
    > filter and using the film.


    Maybe so. But if all you have available is film then I guess that you just
    have to put up with it.

    Bill Again < that's torn it >
     
    Bill Again, Dec 5, 2006
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  13. Pierre J. Proudhon wrote:
    > In article <el3nel$d27$01$-online.com>,
    > "Bill Again" <> wrote:
    >
    >> "Derek Fountain" <> wrote in message
    >> news:45755e33$0$97233$...
    >>>> DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    >>>> MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    >>>> prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.
    >>> Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    >>> competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    >>> worthless to its winner?

    >> Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using the
    >> relevant filters.

    >
    > That is not IR Photography. There is a big difference between using a
    > filter and using the film.


    Uh, what? If you mean simulating IR in software "filters," that's one
    thing. Otherwise, actual IR photons don't care what kind of sensor they
    hit, whether it's an electronic array or film.

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    Unclaimed Mysteries, Dec 5, 2006
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  14. In article <0andh.7840$>,
    Unclaimed Mysteries
    <> wrote:

    > Pierre J. Proudhon wrote:
    > > In article <el3nel$d27$01$-online.com>,
    > > "Bill Again" <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Derek Fountain" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:45755e33$0$97233$...
    > >>>> DIMi is running an infrared photography competition sponsored by
    > >>>> MaxMax.com with monthly IR filter prizes and a grand
    > >>>> prize of a digital camera conversion to IR mode, worth US$450.
    > >>> Erm, presumably you need an IR camera in order to take part in the
    > >>> competition, and so the grand prize would, kind of by definition, be
    > >>> worthless to its winner?
    > >> Not necessarily so. Many digital cameras can take IR pictures using the
    > >> relevant filters.

    > >
    > > That is not IR Photography. There is a big difference between using a
    > > filter and using the film.

    >
    > Uh, what? If you mean simulating IR in software "filters," that's one
    > thing. Otherwise, actual IR photons don't care what kind of sensor they
    > hit, whether it's an electronic array or film.


    The results are different if you spent any time using IR film. All
    Infrared film is sensitive to both some Infrared and visible light.

    Digital IR photography typically relies on reflected NIR from sources
    like the sun and incandescent lamps. Digital camera sensors based on
    silicon are not sensitive to the far (thermal) IR wavelengths (typically
    3.0µ and longer) emitted by objects at room to body temperatures. Heat
    leaks from houses aren't visible in the NIR, and people, animals and
    other objects at room to body temperatures don't glow in the NIR any
    more than they do in visible light. To photograph them in the dark, you
    have to provide proper NIR illumination using a suitably equipped camera
    like the Sony DSC-F7x7 or an external NIR-only flash with no filter.

    I can go on but you bore me.
     
    Pierre J. Proudhon, Dec 6, 2006
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  15. Wayne J. Cosshall

    ASAAR Guest

    On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:59:03 +0100, Gisle Hannemyr wrote:

    >> With a DSLR????

    >
    > Of course not - the way Bill Again describes the test only works
    > if the camera has an EVF.
    >
    > But you can do the same test with a DSLR by taking a photograph
    > of a tv-remote while somebody presses a button on it that makes
    > it emit IR. When you review the image on the review screen,
    > you'll see the IR glow described.


    That's a neat and useful trick that works with my Sony IR remote.
    But an EVF isn't required, since the blast of IR shows up nicely on
    the LCD display of Canon's A620 which has an optical viewfinder.
    Also, there may be several DSLRs that can also detect IR without
    having to take a picture. These are the ones that offer live,
    real-time viewing on their LCD displays, and are manufactured by
    Olympus, Panasonic and Leica.
     
    ASAAR, Dec 6, 2006
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  16. Pierre J. Proudhon wrote:
    >
    > The results are different if you spent any time using IR film. All
    > Infrared film is sensitive to both some Infrared and visible light.
    >
    > Digital IR photography typically relies on reflected NIR from sources
    > like the sun and incandescent lamps. Digital camera sensors based on
    > silicon are not sensitive to the far (thermal) IR wavelengths (typically
    > 3.0µ and longer) emitted by objects at room to body temperatures. Heat
    > leaks from houses aren't visible in the NIR, and people, animals and
    > other objects at room to body temperatures don't glow in the NIR any
    > more than they do in visible light. To photograph them in the dark, you
    > have to provide proper NIR illumination using a suitably equipped camera
    > like the Sony DSC-F7x7 or an external NIR-only flash with no filter.
    >
    > I can go on but you bore me.


    The fact that the results are different does not make one more valid
    than the other. Digital sensors don't have the same halation of many IR
    films, so the results look a bit different, that's all.

    What you then say about digital IR also applies to film IR, since both
    rely on reflected NIR. IR film also does not have sensitivity beyond the
    NIR, typically cutting off before 1000nm, so I don't get the point you
    are trying to make.

    Cheers,

    Wayne

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    Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
    Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
     
    Wayne J. Cosshall, Dec 6, 2006
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  17. UC wrote:
    >
    > Fucking idiots. Why give a camera away as a prize, when you need a
    > camera to win?
    >
    > Give away an ipod or something else, dumbass.
    >


    I'd normally ignore such a post but I must correct one thing: the grand
    prize is not a camera, but a camera conversion of a camera that the
    winner must provide. The monthly prizes are also filters that people
    would not commonly have and thus offer something interesting.

    Many people have several cameras. In my case I chose to have one
    converted to IR only for much shorter exposures. Judging from the
    entries that are also starting to roll in, others obviously also think
    it is worthwhile.

    Cheers,

    Wayne

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    Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
    Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
     
    Wayne J. Cosshall, Dec 6, 2006
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  18. In article <45762bed$0$9770$>,
    "Wayne J. Cosshall" <> wrote:

    > The fact that the results are different does not make one more valid
    > than the other.


    No. But they are different. That was my point. Yawn.
     
    Pierre J. Proudhon, Dec 6, 2006
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  19. Wayne J. Cosshall

    Frank ess Guest

    Pierre J. Proudhon wrote:
    > In article <45762bed$0$9770$>,
    > "Wayne J. Cosshall" <> wrote:
    >
    >> The fact that the results are different does not make one more
    >> valid
    >> than the other.

    >
    > No. But they are different. That was my point. Yawn.


    What it means, this "Yawn"?

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    Frank ess
     
    Frank ess, Dec 6, 2006
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  20. Wayne J. Cosshall

    ASAAR Guest

    On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:42:03 -0800, Frank ess wrote:

    >> No. But they are different. That was my point. Yawn.

    >
    > What it means, this "Yawn"?


    Laying a trap for the deserving, eh?
     
    ASAAR, Dec 6, 2006
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