IE fake ID for Firefox extension or plug-in?

Discussion in 'Firefox' started by Chazz Matt, Jul 10, 2004.

  1. Chazz Matt

    Chazz Matt Guest

    > From Chazz Matt
    > Newsgroups:
    > alt.fan.mozilla,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.general
    > Subject: IE fake ID for Firefox extension or
    > plug-in?
    >
    > A friend of mine thought there was an extension or
    > plug-in that would
    > identify Firefox as "Internet Explorer" to sites
    > that are supposedly
    > Internet Explorer-only. Most such sites could
    > render with Firefox, of
    > course (except those that use Active X).
    >
    > I know Opera has run into this problem, too. So, an
    > easy solution is
    > to fake the sites out by identifying your browser
    > as IE. Fake ID.
    > Presto, change-o, you're in.
    >
    > However, I cannot find such a Firefox extension or
    > plug-in. If there
    > isn't one, there should be. Any suggestions?
    >



    I found it. User Agent Switcher.

    http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/alpha.html#useragentswitcher

    Works great. I set it for IE 6.0 and I easily got into a site I was
    denied before. That site previously had said my SSL was disabled,
    which was not true. That was just another way of saying I wasn't
    using IE. Once I installed this extension and changed my Firefox
    browser identity to "Internet Exploer 6 - Windows XP", it let me
    through the door fine. (In fact, I am actually running Windows 2000
    with Service Pack 4, so the "Windows XP" part must be part of the fake
    identity description.)

    In fact, I went into the User Agent Switcher options and UNchecked
    "reset Agent when browser closes". I'm leaving it set on the IE fake
    ID so there's no hassle.

    The browser still won't work on sites with Active X, but it will work
    on all the other sites that claim to be IE-only. For those Active X
    sites, there's the "IE View" extension, which fires up the real IE.
    Chazz Matt, Jul 10, 2004
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  2. John Williams, Jul 10, 2004
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  3. Chazz Matt

    .BRIAN. Guest

    On 7/10/2004 04:52 AM, Chazz Matt wrote:

    > In fact, I went into the User Agent Switcher options and UNchecked
    > "reset Agent when browser closes". I'm leaving it set on the IE fake
    > ID so there's no hassle.


    Well if you want website owners to think there is one more IE user in
    the world... then that's up to you. Keep it set at IE6 and the
    statistics will keep you as an IE6 user.

    I don't know what extension you are using, but all the ones I have seen
    or used in the past have a drop down box that allow you to quickly
    switch the user agent string--doesn't seem like a hassle to me.

    > The browser still won't work on sites with Active X, but it will work
    > on all the other sites that claim to be IE-only. For those Active X
    > sites, there's the "IE View" extension, which fires up the real IE.


    That's because the ability doesn't exist in Mozilla. But if you enjoy
    security flaws in your browser...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=activex security IE

    --
    Brian
    .BRIAN., Jul 10, 2004
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  4. Chazz Matt

    Chazz Matt Guest

    John Williams <> wrote in message news:<ccob68$5r$>...
    > >
    > > I found it. User Agent Switcher.
    > >
    > > http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/alpha.html#useragentswitcher
    > >

    >
    > This link will not load on my computer?



    Then, try just this link:

    http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/alpha.html

    but then you will have to scroll down to the bottom of the that
    website page to find "User Agent Switcher". There's 195 extesnions
    listed and they are listed in alphabetical order. The first link not
    only takes you to the page, but also finds the exact place on the page
    where that particular extension is located.
    Chazz Matt, Jul 10, 2004
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  5. Chazz Matt

    Chazz Matt Guest

    ".BRIAN." <user@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<j3THc.3017$Qj.2044@lakeread01>...
    > On 7/10/2004 04:52 AM, Chazz Matt wrote:



    > > In fact, I went into the User Agent Switcher options and UNchecked
    > > "reset Agent when browser closes". I'm leaving it set on the IE fake
    > > ID so there's no hassle.

    >
    > Well if you want website owners to think there is one more IE user in
    > the world... then that's up to you. Keep it set at IE6 and the
    > statistics will keep you as an IE6 user.
    >
    > I don't know what extension you are using, but all the ones I have seen
    > or used in the past have a drop down box that allow you to quickly
    > switch the user agent string--doesn't seem like a hassle to me.



    It's a hassle in that I have to do an extra step to enter a site,
    change over the setting and try again. Why not just leave it on the
    settng that gets me maximum use? I was happy to FIND this extension.
    Same way, IE bookmarks seamlessly import to Firefox, now I can
    seamlessly surf the Internet. It's about ease of use. All the
    millions of people who might be trying out Firefox due to all the IE
    security warnings in the past few weeks will not stick with it, if
    they can't get into their banking or credit card sites due to "Acess
    denied" messages.

    Remember the beta vs. VHS competition back in the 80's? Sony Beta was
    technically superior. As a technical TV person, I used professional
    beta format everday for years (until 3 or 4 years ago), and at the
    network where I work we STILL have Sony beta machines in every edit
    bay. Beta was the gold standard against which all other tape formats
    were compared, until digital improved so much. Yet, in the home
    market, the beta tape disappeared back in the 80's. VHS became
    consumer king. Why? Ease of use and economics. You could record 6
    hours on a VHS tape and only 4 on a beta tape, because VHS allowed
    recording at a slower, less-quality speed. But, consumers didn't care
    -- they didn't have to switch out tapes as often, it saved them time
    and money and was good enough. They didn't care about the techically
    pristine recording standards.

    In the same vein, IE won the browser war because it was already on the
    desktop and "good enough". So, if people have to keep changing
    settings to do what IE already does, then IE will continue to be "good
    enough", in spite of the current rash of security warnings.

    I know you want million of Firefox users to show up on webmaster
    screens as hordes of angry ex-IE users, but that's not going to happen
    if they don't have a good consumer experience.

    >
    > > The browser still won't work on sites with Active X, but it will work
    > > on all the other sites that claim to be IE-only. For those Active X
    > > sites, there's the "IE View" extension, which fires up the real IE.

    >
    > That's because the ability doesn't exist in Mozilla. But if you enjoy
    > security flaws in your browser...
    >



    I was just pointing out that the IE fake ID ruse (technically named
    User Agent Switcher) was not a cure-all for getting into all sites.
    Sometimes you still need IE -- not that I like that fact.
    Chazz Matt, Jul 11, 2004
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  6. Chazz Matt

    Dr. Briefs Guest

    John Williams apparently wrote thus:
    >>I found it. User Agent Switcher.
    >>http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/alpha.html#useragentswitcher

    >This link will not load on my computer?


    Go to its homepage directly, then:
    <http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/>


    --
    Glenn Wang <>, http://www.capcorphq.com/
    Proud member of #SAS# and Co-Founder of #WASHU#
    ***********************************************************************
    "Once there was true love in front of me, but I didn't know to treasure
    it, now all I have is remorse; such a thing is one of the greatest
    tragedies in life. If I could go back and redo it all, I would tell
    her I love her. If I am forced to place a time limit for this love, I
    wish for it to be--Ten thousand years." --A Chinese Odyssey
    Dr. Briefs, Jul 11, 2004
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  7. Chazz Matt

    Dr. Briefs Guest

    Chazz Matt apparently wrote thus:
    >".BRIAN." <user@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<j3THc.3017$Qj.2044@lakeread01>...
    >>On 7/10/2004 04:52 AM, Chazz Matt wrote:
    >>>In fact, I went into the User Agent Switcher options and UNchecked
    >>>"reset Agent when browser closes". I'm leaving it set on the IE fake
    >>>ID so there's no hassle.

    >>I don't know what extension you are using, but all the ones I have seen
    >>or used in the past have a drop down box that allow you to quickly
    >>switch the user agent string--doesn't seem like a hassle to me.

    >It's a hassle in that I have to do an extra step to enter a site,
    >change over the setting and try again. Why not just leave it on the
    >settng that gets me maximum use?


    Believe it or not, the reason that setting is checked by default has
    nothing to do with whether or not you broadcast yourself as IE (or some
    other browser) to other websites. It's there to prevent the browser
    from crashing.

    <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83376>



    From the User Agent Switcher FAQ:
    <http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/faq/>


    *Why doesn't Mozilla Firefox or Mozilla start with the User Agent
    Switcher set to something other than 'Default'?*

    Bug 83376 is related to this issue. As of version 0.31 of the User Agent
    Switcher you can check the 'Reset the user agent' option to turn the
    user agent back to 'Default' when the browser closes which fixes this issue.


    --
    Glenn Wang <>, http://www.capcorphq.com/
    Proud member of #SAS# and Co-Founder of #WASHU#
    ***********************************************************************
    "Once there was true love in front of me, but I didn't know to treasure
    it, now all I have is remorse; such a thing is one of the greatest
    tragedies in life. If I could go back and redo it all, I would tell
    her I love her. If I am forced to place a time limit for this love, I
    wish for it to be--Ten thousand years." --A Chinese Odyssey
    Dr. Briefs, Jul 11, 2004
    #7
  8. Chazz Matt

    .BRIAN. Guest

    On 7/10/2004 08:12 PM, Chazz Matt wrote:
    > ".BRIAN." <user@127.0.0.1> wrote...
    >>On 7/10/2004 04:52 AM, Chazz Matt wrote:

    >
    >>>In fact, I went into the User Agent Switcher options and UNchecked
    >>>"reset Agent when browser closes". I'm leaving it set on the IE fake
    >>>ID so there's no hassle.

    >>
    >>Well if you want website owners to think there is one more IE user in
    >>the world... then that's up to you. Keep it set at IE6 and the
    >>statistics will keep you as an IE6 user.
    >>
    >>I don't know what extension you are using, but all the ones I have seen
    >>or used in the past have a drop down box that allow you to quickly
    >>switch the user agent string--doesn't seem like a hassle to me.

    >
    > It's a hassle in that I have to do an extra step to enter a site,
    > change over the setting and try again. Why not just leave it on the
    > settng that gets me maximum use? I was happy to FIND this extension.
    > Same way, IE bookmarks seamlessly import to Firefox, now I can
    > seamlessly surf the Internet. It's about ease of use. All the
    > millions of people who might be trying out Firefox due to all the IE
    > security warnings in the past few weeks will not stick with it, if
    > they can't get into their banking or credit card sites due to "Acess
    > denied" messages.
    >
    > Remember the beta vs. VHS competition back in the 80's? Sony Beta was
    > technically superior. As a technical TV person, I used professional
    > beta format everday for years (until 3 or 4 years ago), and at the
    > network where I work we STILL have Sony beta machines in every edit
    > bay. Beta was the gold standard against which all other tape formats
    > were compared, until digital improved so much. Yet, in the home
    > market, the beta tape disappeared back in the 80's. VHS became
    > consumer king. Why? Ease of use and economics. You could record 6
    > hours on a VHS tape and only 4 on a beta tape, because VHS allowed
    > recording at a slower, less-quality speed. But, consumers didn't care
    > -- they didn't have to switch out tapes as often, it saved them time
    > and money and was good enough. They didn't care about the techically
    > pristine recording standards.


    Click Tools >> User Agent Switcher >> Internet Explorer. Refresh. How
    long does that take?

    You are not going to change my mind, especially by trying to compare
    this to the VHS vs. Beta debate. A Beta tape could not be played in a
    VHS player; however Mozilla *can* view "IE Material".

    Leaving the user agent string set on IE6 is not helping the Mozilla
    world at all. You are only one person, but that's one more person that
    shows up as an Internet Explorer user rather than a Mozilla User. Is
    there really a reason to leave it set at IE6? Are you honestly visiting
    that many websites that are not allowing you to view their pages?

    If it's only one particular website you can not view (set at Mozilla),
    then perhaps you should try emailing the website creator and asking them
    exactly why their website doesn't work with Mozilla. They can not
    honestly tell you it doesn't work, because you are clearly viewing it.

    Leave it set at whatever you want--I don't care. I just find it
    humorous that you choose to use an alternative browser, yet you don't
    want websites to know. You'd rather the data show there is one more
    person in this world using the best and most used browser in the world,
    MS Internet Explorer 6.

    > In the same vein, IE won the browser war because it was already on the
    > desktop and "good enough". So, if people have to keep changing
    > settings to do what IE already does, then IE will continue to be "good
    > enough", in spite of the current rash of security warnings.


    It's not that Mozilla isn't *doing* what Internet Explorer can. You are
    not changing anything in Mozilla to make it *do* anything different.
    All you are doing is making the world *think* you are using a different
    browser. Mozilla still functions exactly the same way, just with a
    different user agent string.

    You are being denied access to a website because you are using a
    different browser. The website creator has chosen to not allow Mozilla
    users access to the site because they are not using IE. It's not as if
    Mozilla is telling you that it can not access the pages--a website
    creator had to take the time to insert code that redirects you to a page
    that tells you that you are not using a "compatible" browser that is
    capable of displaying the website.


    > I know you want million of Firefox users to show up on webmaster
    > screens as hordes of angry ex-IE users, but that's not going to happen
    > if they don't have a good consumer experience.


    I don't know how many websites *you* are having problems with, but it's
    very, *very* rare that I have to change the user agent string in order
    to be allowed access to a website.

    >>>The browser still won't work on sites with Active X, but it will work
    >>>on all the other sites that claim to be IE-only. For those Active X
    >>>sites, there's the "IE View" extension, which fires up the real IE.

    >>
    >>That's because the ability doesn't exist in Mozilla. But if you enjoy
    >>security flaws in your browser...
    >>

    >
    > I was just pointing out that the IE fake ID ruse (technically named
    > User Agent Switcher) was not a cure-all for getting into all sites.
    > Sometimes you still need IE -- not that I like that fact.


    That's probably why the extension isn't called: Make Mozilla Work Like
    Internet Explorer, and Run Microsoft's Security Flawed Code.

    --
    Brian

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    http://68.1.17.8/p0nykiller/email.htm
    .BRIAN., Jul 11, 2004
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  9. Chazz Matt

    EE Guest

    ..BRIAN. wrote:
    > On 7/10/2004 08:12 PM, Chazz Matt wrote:
    >> ".BRIAN." <user@127.0.0.1> wrote...
    >>> On 7/10/2004 04:52 AM, Chazz Matt wrote:

    >>
    >>>> In fact, I went into the User Agent Switcher options and UNchecked
    >>>> "reset Agent when browser closes". I'm leaving it set on the IE
    >>>> fake ID so there's no hassle.
    >>>
    >>> Well if you want website owners to think there is one more IE user
    >>> in the world... then that's up to you. Keep it set at IE6 and the
    >>> statistics will keep you as an IE6 user.
    >>>
    >>> I don't know what extension you are using, but all the ones I have
    >>> seen or used in the past have a drop down box that allow you to
    >>> quickly switch the user agent string--doesn't seem like a hassle to
    >>> me.

    >>
    >> It's a hassle in that I have to do an extra step to enter a site,
    >> change over the setting and try again. Why not just leave it on the
    >> settng that gets me maximum use? I was happy to FIND this extension.
    >> Same way, IE bookmarks seamlessly import to Firefox, now I can
    >> seamlessly surf the Internet. It's about ease of use. All the
    >> millions of people who might be trying out Firefox due to all the IE
    >> security warnings in the past few weeks will not stick with it, if
    >> they can't get into their banking or credit card sites due to "Acess
    >> denied" messages.
    >>
    >> Remember the beta vs. VHS competition back in the 80's? Sony Beta
    >> was technically superior. As a technical TV person, I used
    >> professional beta format everday for years (until 3 or 4 years ago),
    >> and at the network where I work we STILL have Sony beta machines in
    >> every edit bay. Beta was the gold standard against which all other
    >> tape formats were compared, until digital improved so much. Yet, in
    >> the home market, the beta tape disappeared back in the 80's. VHS
    >> became consumer king. Why? Ease of use and economics. You could
    >> record 6 hours on a VHS tape and only 4 on a beta tape, because VHS
    >> allowed recording at a slower, less-quality speed. But, consumers
    >> didn't care -- they didn't have to switch out tapes as often, it
    >> saved them time and money and was good enough. They didn't care
    >> about the techically pristine recording standards.

    >
    > Click Tools >> User Agent Switcher >> Internet Explorer. Refresh.
    > How long does that take?
    >
    > You are not going to change my mind, especially by trying to compare
    > this to the VHS vs. Beta debate. A Beta tape could not be played in a
    > VHS player; however Mozilla *can* view "IE Material".
    >
    > Leaving the user agent string set on IE6 is not helping the Mozilla
    > world at all. You are only one person, but that's one more person
    > that shows up as an Internet Explorer user rather than a Mozilla
    > User. Is there really a reason to leave it set at IE6? Are you
    > honestly visiting that many websites that are not allowing you to
    > view their pages?
    >
    > If it's only one particular website you can not view (set at Mozilla),
    > then perhaps you should try emailing the website creator and asking
    > them exactly why their website doesn't work with Mozilla. They can
    > not honestly tell you it doesn't work, because you are clearly
    > viewing it.
    >
    > Leave it set at whatever you want--I don't care. I just find it
    > humorous that you choose to use an alternative browser, yet you don't
    > want websites to know. You'd rather the data show there is one more
    > person in this world using the best and most used browser in the
    > world, MS Internet Explorer 6.
    >
    >> In the same vein, IE won the browser war because it was already on
    >> the desktop and "good enough". So, if people have to keep changing
    >> settings to do what IE already does, then IE will continue to be
    >> "good enough", in spite of the current rash of security warnings.

    >
    > It's not that Mozilla isn't *doing* what Internet Explorer can. You
    > are not changing anything in Mozilla to make it *do* anything
    > different. All you are doing is making the world *think* you are
    > using a different browser. Mozilla still functions exactly the same
    > way, just with a different user agent string.
    >
    > You are being denied access to a website because you are using a
    > different browser. The website creator has chosen to not allow
    > Mozilla users access to the site because they are not using IE. It's
    > not as if Mozilla is telling you that it can not access the pages--a
    > website creator had to take the time to insert code that redirects
    > you to a page that tells you that you are not using a "compatible"
    > browser that is capable of displaying the website.
    >
    >
    >> I know you want million of Firefox users to show up on webmaster
    >> screens as hordes of angry ex-IE users, but that's not going to
    >> happen if they don't have a good consumer experience.

    >
    > I don't know how many websites *you* are having problems with, but
    > it's very, *very* rare that I have to change the user agent string in
    > order to be allowed access to a website.
    >
    >>>> The browser still won't work on sites with Active X, but it will
    >>>> work on all the other sites that claim to be IE-only. For those
    >>>> Active X sites, there's the "IE View" extension, which fires up
    >>>> the real IE.
    >>>
    >>> That's because the ability doesn't exist in Mozilla. But if you
    >>> enjoy security flaws in your browser...
    >>>

    >>
    >> I was just pointing out that the IE fake ID ruse (technically named
    >> User Agent Switcher) was not a cure-all for getting into all sites.
    >> Sometimes you still need IE -- not that I like that fact.

    >
    > That's probably why the extension isn't called: Make Mozilla Work Like
    > Internet Explorer, and Run Microsoft's Security Flawed Code.


    I have been using a proxy to fake the user agent when needed, rather than
    having the browser do it. That works fine, and doesn't cause any browser
    crashes. I also have the ability to specify at the outset who gets what
    user agent.
    EE, Jul 11, 2004
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