ICC profiles for Nikon 8000, Canon i960 and Photoshop 7

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  1. C

    C Guest

    I have the following:

    Nokia 446PRO monitor
    Nikon Coolscan 8000
    Canon i960
    Microtek Scanmaker III flatbead
    Photoshop 7


    What is the best profiles to use to tie all this together? Right now I am
    using Adobe RGB 1988 for both the Nikon scanner and Photoshop. I'm not so
    sure this is the best choice.

    Thanks for whatever help you may have to offer.
     
    C, Dec 24, 2003
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    >From: C EMOVE
    >
    >I have the following:
    >
    >Nokia 446PRO monitor
    >Nikon Coolscan 8000
    >Canon i960
    >Microtek Scanmaker III flatbead
    >Photoshop 7
    >
    >
    >What is the best profiles to use to tie all this together? Right now I am
    >using Adobe RGB 1988 for both the Nikon scanner and Photoshop. I'm not so
    >sure this is the best choice.
    >
    >Thanks for whatever help you may have to offer.


    First off, AdobeRGB is NOT a device profile, it's an abstract grey-balanced
    working space. You should use it as your WORKING space, but that's different
    than a device profile.

    First thing you need to do is generate an accurate ICM profile for your
    monitor. If the monitor profile is inaccurate you have little hope of getting
    good results in a color-managed workflow. Use Adobe Gamma if that's all you
    have, but it's better to calibrate and profile it with one of the hardware
    solutions, like the ColorVision Spyder for example. Once you have this profile
    the RGB numbers in the image file will get translated on the fly so that what
    you see on screen is as close as possible color-wise to what the RGB numbers
    represent.

    This monitor profile is the most important one by far, I feel.

    Next most important are the printer profiles, I think. I don't know if Canon
    makes ICM profiles available for this printer model, check around. If they ARE
    available or if you have the means to generate them yourself you should use
    them in Photoshop with soft-proofing to see in advance what the output will
    (hopefully) look like. Ideally you will have an accurate ICM profile for each
    paper for this printer. There are some tricks you need to learn about how to
    use the profiles when printing, but that's another question.

    For the scanners, I have the 8000 and have generated an ICM profile for it with
    the Monaco EZ-Color software, but in truth I get better results by scanning
    with auto-exposure with Nikonscan color management turned off and no targeted
    working space. Then when I open the scan in Photoshop I get the "Missing
    Profile" error message and at that time I assign either AdobeRGB or Ektaspace
    5.5 (a wider gamut working space that more closely captures the full gamut of
    film), depending on how saturated the colors are for that image. I get much
    better results this way than using the Monaco profile, but maybe that's just my
    scanner. At any rate, most gurus seem to agree the input device profile (ie,
    camera or scanner) isn't nearly as important as the monitor and printer
    profiles.

    So in Photoshop 7 use AdobeRGB as the working space (easiest way to set this up
    is to select "US Prepress Defaults" in the Edit > Color Settings dialog box).
    Your monitor profile will operate in the background, you'll never see it unless
    you look for it. Learn how to set up the printer profile for printing directly
    with the ICM file for the paper you're printing on and you should get good
    results.

    Bill
     
    Bill Hilton, Dec 24, 2003
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  3. C

    C Guest

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:18:01 +0000, Bill Hilton wrote:

    >>From: C EMOVE
    >>
    >>I have the following:
    >>
    >>Nokia 446PRO monitor
    >>Nikon Coolscan 8000
    >>Canon i960
    >>Microtek Scanmaker III flatbead
    >>Photoshop 7
    >>
    >>
    >>What is the best profiles to use to tie all this together? Right now I am
    >>using Adobe RGB 1988 for both the Nikon scanner and Photoshop. I'm not so
    >>sure this is the best choice.
    >>
    >>Thanks for whatever help you may have to offer.

    >
    > First off, AdobeRGB is NOT a device profile, it's an abstract grey-balanced
    > working space. You should use it as your WORKING space, but that's different
    > than a device profile.
    >
    > First thing you need to do is generate an accurate ICM profile for your
    > monitor. If the monitor profile is inaccurate you have little hope of getting
    > good results in a color-managed workflow. Use Adobe Gamma if that's all you
    > have, but it's better to calibrate and profile it with one of the hardware
    > solutions, like the ColorVision Spyder for example. Once you have this profile
    > the RGB numbers in the image file will get translated on the fly so that what
    > you see on screen is as close as possible color-wise to what the RGB numbers
    > represent.
    >
    > This monitor profile is the most important one by far, I feel.
    >
    > Next most important are the printer profiles, I think. I don't know if Canon
    > makes ICM profiles available for this printer model, check around. If they ARE
    > available or if you have the means to generate them yourself you should use
    > them in Photoshop with soft-proofing to see in advance what the output will
    > (hopefully) look like. Ideally you will have an accurate ICM profile for each
    > paper for this printer. There are some tricks you need to learn about how to
    > use the profiles when printing, but that's another question.
    >
    > For the scanners, I have the 8000 and have generated an ICM profile for it with
    > the Monaco EZ-Color software, but in truth I get better results by scanning
    > with auto-exposure with Nikonscan color management turned off and no targeted
    > working space. Then when I open the scan in Photoshop I get the "Missing
    > Profile" error message and at that time I assign either AdobeRGB or Ektaspace
    > 5.5 (a wider gamut working space that more closely captures the full gamut of
    > film), depending on how saturated the colors are for that image. I get much
    > better results this way than using the Monaco profile, but maybe that's just my
    > scanner. At any rate, most gurus seem to agree the input device profile (ie,
    > camera or scanner) isn't nearly as important as the monitor and printer
    > profiles.
    >
    > So in Photoshop 7 use AdobeRGB as the working space (easiest way to set this up
    > is to select "US Prepress Defaults" in the Edit > Color Settings dialog box).
    > Your monitor profile will operate in the background, you'll never see it unless
    > you look for it. Learn how to set up the printer profile for printing directly
    > with the ICM file for the paper you're printing on and you should get good
    > results.
    >
    > Bill




    Thanks. Just the info I need.
     
    C, Dec 24, 2003
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  4. Use sRGB for the Coolscan scanner or get some IT8 profiles made. You can
    get IT8 targets from http://www.targets.coloraid.de/.

    For the printer, just configure the printer driver to use colour management,
    and try the different colour profiles that come with the driver. I've got
    an S800 and the profile that comes with the driver is almost perfect -
    certainly better than making one yourself with the print/scan method. If
    you can afford it, print out IT8 or similar targets on all of the papers
    you'll be using and send them to be professionaly measured.

    Regards,
    Aaron Queenan.

    "C" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > I have the following:
    >
    > Nokia 446PRO monitor
    > Nikon Coolscan 8000
    > Canon i960
    > Microtek Scanmaker III flatbead
    > Photoshop 7
    >
    >
    > What is the best profiles to use to tie all this together? Right now I am
    > using Adobe RGB 1988 for both the Nikon scanner and Photoshop. I'm not so
    > sure this is the best choice.
    >
    > Thanks for whatever help you may have to offer.
    >
    >
     
    Aaron Queenan, Dec 29, 2003
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