I zap Google cookies but it tracks me by IP - what else?

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by WM, Jan 20, 2006.

  1. WM

    WM Guest

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm

    I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    guess there's no way to prevent it.

    As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    Google to keep all that data about me.

    What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    engine?
    WM, Jan 20, 2006
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  2. Yahoo and Alta Vista are a great alternative, give them a try, you
    probably won't see any difference on a basic search. Alta Vista gives
    a language and search area preference right on the search page .




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  3. "WM" wrote in message
    news:9751D472FFFEE6AD265@204.153.244.170...
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    > I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    > that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    > guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    > As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    > Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    > sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    > Google to keep all that data about me.
    >
    > What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    > engine?


    What IP address - these are normally negotiated on a per session basis.

    Guess what Google don't even want to give this to Uncle Sam!
    R. Mark Clayton, Jan 20, 2006
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  4. WM

    Ian Stirling Guest

    In uk.telecom.broadband "(admins) privacyoffshore" <> wrote:
    > Yahoo and Alta Vista are a great alternative, give them a try, you
    > probably won't see any difference on a basic search. Alta Vista gives
    > a language and search area preference right on the search page .


    Err, what?
    You really believe that neither of them logs ID?

    The only way to do completely anonymous searching would be to use an
    internet connection you can't be tied to in any way.

    Basically, if you pay for it, you're almost certainly leaving some
    trace.
    Ian Stirling, Jan 20, 2006
    #4
  5. WM

    Gel Guest

    Are fixed on broadband/not dynamic
    Gel, Jan 20, 2006
    #5
  6. WM

    martin Guest

    WM wrote:
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    > I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    > that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    > guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    > As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    > Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    > sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    > Google to keep all that data about me.
    >
    > What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    > engine?


    MSN?

    Let's face it, you are wanting a 'free' service, you have to expect to
    give something back. Failing that bookmark your favourite URLs and never
    use a search engine. Might be limiting, but you go through a proxy and
    you'll be fine.
    martin, Jan 20, 2006
    #6
  7. WM

    Mike GW8IJT Guest

    "WM" <> wrote in message
    news:9751D472FFFEE6AD265@204.153.244.170...
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    > I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    > that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    > guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    > As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    > Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    > sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    > Google to keep all that data about me.
    >
    > What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    > engine?


    Some search engines:-
    http://uk.altavista.com/
    http://www.hotbot.co.uk/
    http://www.lycos.co.uk/
    http://uk.yahoo.com/
    http://uk.ask.com/
    http://www.mirago.co.uk/
    http://www.ukplus.co.uk/
    http://www.webcrawler.com/

    These are general search engines, there are specialist search engines as
    well.
    Regards Mike.

    --
    "Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and
    ability" (David Brent).
    Mike GW8IJT, Jan 20, 2006
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  8. WM

    Adrian Guest

    WM wrote:
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    > I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    > that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    > guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    > As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    > Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    > sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    > Google to keep all that data about me.
    >
    > What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    > engine?


    They _all_ keep records, Google, so far, are the only company refusing to
    pass the records to the US government.
    --
    Adrian A
    Adrian, Jan 20, 2006
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  9. WM

    Alex Heney Guest

    On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:39:54 +0000 (UTC), "R. Mark Clayton"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"WM" wrote in message
    >news:9751D472FFFEE6AD265@204.153.244.170...
    >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >>
    >> I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    >> that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    >> guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >>
    >> As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    >> Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    >> sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    >> Google to keep all that data about me.
    >>
    >> What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    >> engine?

    >
    >What IP address - these are normally negotiated on a per session basis.
    >


    Define "normally".

    MANY ISPs give fixed IP addresses as standard with broadband accounts.

    And even where they are theoretically dynamic, people who leave their
    router on all the time will usually keep the same IP address, even
    through reboots, for several months at a time.
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    Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
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    Alex Heney, Jan 20, 2006
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  10. WM

    Alex Heney Guest

    On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:53:04 GMT, WM <>
    wrote:

    >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    >I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    >that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    >guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    >As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    >Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    >sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    >Google to keep all that data about me.
    >


    Do you really think they will do so?

    >What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    >engine?


    Quite a few, but I expect they all record very similar details to
    Google, and being smaller will have fewer records overall for yours to
    be a needle in a haystack.
    --
    Alex Heney, Global Villager
    Give instruction to a wise man and he will be yet wiser.
    To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
    Alex Heney, Jan 20, 2006
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  11. WM

    Ivor Jones Guest

    "(admins) privacyoffshore" <>
    wrote in message
    news:
    > Yahoo and Alta Vista are a great alternative, give them a
    > try, you probably won't see any difference on a basic
    > search. Alta Vista gives a language and search area
    > preference right on the search page .


    I've been using Yahoo recently, but one thing I can't find on it that was
    useful with Google is the facility to search again within results. Anyone
    know if Yahoo supports this and if so how to do it..?

    Ivor
    Ivor Jones, Jan 20, 2006
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  12. WM

    alexd Guest

    WM wrote:

    > I guess there's no way to prevent it.


    Don't use google. Problem solved.

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    alexd, Jan 20, 2006
    #12
  13. "Alex Heney" <> wrote in message
    >
    > And even where they are theoretically dynamic, people who leave their
    > router on all the time will usually keep the same IP address, even
    > through reboots, for several months at a time.
    > --
    > Alex Heney, Global Villager


    So US gov. has a list of what it was and where is was...
    R. Mark Clayton, Jan 21, 2006
    #13
  14. WM

    Alex Heney Guest

    On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC), "R. Mark Clayton"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"Alex Heney" <> wrote in message
    >>
    >> And even where they are theoretically dynamic, people who leave their
    >> router on all the time will usually keep the same IP address, even
    >> through reboots, for several months at a time.
    >> --
    >> Alex Heney, Global Villager

    >
    >So US gov. has a list of what it was and where is was...
    >


    Only if you have used other (US based) search engines than Google.
    --
    Alex Heney, Global Villager
    If nobody measures up, check your yardstick.
    To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
    Alex Heney, Jan 21, 2006
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    Sparks Guest

    "WM" <> wrote in message
    news:9751D472FFFEE6AD265@204.153.244.170...
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    > I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    > that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    > guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    > As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    > Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    > sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    > Google to keep all that data about me.
    >
    > What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    > engine?


    Just go here - http://proxify.com/ then Google cant track you - easy.

    Just to prove it, go there, then from there, go to www.myipaddress.com and
    see the results - it wont be your address it sees!

    Sparks...
    Sparks, Jan 21, 2006
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  16. WM

    Peter M Guest

    Alex Heney wrote:

    > MANY ISPs give fixed IP addresses as standard with broadband accounts.


    I did two searches on ADSLguide. Everything the same except for IP:
    Dynamic IP: 21 ISPs Static IP: 23 ISPs

    Some offer static as a free option, some charge a one-off fee, some
    charge a monthly extra, and others simply don't offer static anyway

    How 'sticky' a dynamic IP address is, is another matter, depending
    on the ISP.

    > And even where they are theoretically dynamic, people who leave their
    > router on all the time will usually keep the same IP address,


    But as we already know, plenty of users have USB modems as supplied
    by their ISP and therefore have a high likelihood of switching off
    when the PC is off, or if not in use, the USB might 'go to sleep'
    Peter M, Jan 21, 2006
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    Hootowl Guest

    On 20 Jan 2006 13:57:38 -0800, "Gel" <>
    wrote:

    >Are fixed on broadband/not dynamic


    On cable, yes. DSL is more dynamic, and if you change your primary
    and secondary DNS to your old dial-up figures, it changes like dial-up
    every time you log on (at least on Earthlink).

    Dan
    Hootowl, Jan 21, 2006
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  18. WM

    Hootowl Guest

    On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:28:41 -0000, "Adrian" <> wrote:

    >WM wrote:
    >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >>
    >> I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    >> that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    >> guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >>
    >> As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    >> Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    >> sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    >> Google to keep all that data about me.
    >>
    >> What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    >> engine?

    >
    >They _all_ keep records, Google, so far, are the only company refusing to
    >pass the records to the US government.


    Yes, but from what I've read over the last several months, Google is
    the only one that keeps them for years. The others don't have the
    financial resources to be able to store those records a long time.
    Hootowl, Jan 21, 2006
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    Donnie Guest

    "(admins) privacyoffshore" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Yahoo and Alta Vista are a great alternative, give them a try, you
    > probably won't see any difference on a basic search. Alta Vista gives
    > a language and search area preference right on the search page .
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > * Anonymous Secure Offshore SHH-2 Surfing Tunnels
    > * Anonymous mail & news through SHH-2 Tunnels
    > * www.privacyoffshore.net (no logs Internet)
    > * www.privacyoffshore.info (no logs Internet)

    ###############################
    Alta Vista, yes, Yahoo, no
    According to some articles, yahoo gives what the gov wants.
    #################################
    Donnie, Jan 21, 2006
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    Ant Guest

    "WM" wrote:
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4631924.stm
    >
    > I zap my Google browser cookies but now I learn from the recent news
    > that Google tracks every inquiry I made including my IP number. I
    > guess there's no way to prevent it.
    >
    > As I'm on cable and my IP address hasn't changed in months then
    > Google can reliably track my interests, habits, preferences, shop
    > sites, etc etc. I have nothing to hide but I'm not sure I want
    > Google to keep all that data about me.
    >
    > What good alternatives are there to Google as a regular search
    > engine?


    Try the Google scraper at http://www.scroogle.org/
    Ant, Jan 21, 2006
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