I see Xtra has moved its email to Yahoo in Australia

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Tony, Aug 18, 2007.

  1. Tony

    Tony Guest

    [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
    pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
    pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
    pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66



    [root@host11 ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
    traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
    max, 38 byte packets
    1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms
    0.355 ms
    2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8.8) 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
    3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
    0.479 ms
    4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
    ms 1.479 ms
    5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
    24.089 ms
    6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
    ms 23.844 ms
    7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
    8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
    gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
    gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
    9 *
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
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  2. Tony wrote:
    > [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
    > pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
    > pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
    > pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66
    >
    > [root@host11 ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
    > traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
    > max, 38 byte packets
    > 1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms 0.355 ms
    > 2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8.8) 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
    > 3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
    > 0.479 ms
    > 4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
    > ms 1.479 ms
    > 5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
    > 24.089 ms
    > 6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
    > ms 23.844 ms
    > 7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
    > 8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
    > gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
    > gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
    > 9 *


    Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
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  3. Tony

    Steve Guest

    On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:

    > [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
    > pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
    > pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
    > pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66
    >
    >
    >
    > [root@host11 ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
    > traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
    > max, 38 byte packets
    > 1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms
    > 0.355 ms
    > 2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8.8) 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
    > 3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
    > 0.479 ms
    > 4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
    > ms 1.479 ms
    > 5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
    > 24.089 ms
    > 6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
    > ms 23.844 ms
    > 7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
    > 8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
    > gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
    > gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
    > 9 *



    Well, not for certain, but probably. They are storing your email at that
    address, but the mail servers aren't necessarily there. Yahoo are
    certainly managing all mail for them, but...

    $ dig mx xtra.co.nz

    ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> mx xtra.co.nz
    ;; global options: printcmd
    ;; Got answer:
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54943
    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0

    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
    ;xtra.co.nz. IN MX

    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
    xtra.co.nz. 300 IN MX 10 mx1.tnz.mail.yahoo.com.
    xtra.co.nz. 300 IN MX 20 mx2.tnz.mail.yahoo.com.

    ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
    xtra.co.nz. 86400 IN NS terminator.xtra.co.nz.
    xtra.co.nz. 86400 IN NS alien.xtra.co.nz.

    ;; Query time: 373 msec
    ;; SERVER: 10.0.0.201#53(10.0.0.201)
    ;; WHEN: Sat Aug 18 15:13:39 2007
    ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 131


    So there are 2 mail servers in use by xtra. mx1 and mx2. Both point to the
    same IP address, 124.108.96.67. This reports to be running ysmtp software,
    which is as far as I know, yahoo's own.

    However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
    one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
    (ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
    Oz, but hidden.

    Steve
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
    #3
  4. On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:

    > [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for
    > pop3.tnz.yahoo.com. pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for
    > pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has
    > address 124.108.96.66


    That's called "outsourcing".


    --
    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #4
  5. On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:42:27 +1200, Mark Robinson wrote:

    > Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.


    No it doesn't.

    Telecom must obey the law, and the contract that they have agreed.

    The fact that Telecom has outsourced it's SMTP server does not remove from
    it the obligation to honour it's legal and contractural obligations.


    --
    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #5
  6. In message <fa5ot8$ob6$>, Steve wrote:

    > So there are 2 mail servers in use by xtra. mx1 and mx2. Both point to the
    > same IP address, 124.108.96.67.
    >
    > However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
    > one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
    > (ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
    > Oz, but hidden.


    Interesting. According to the latest version of
    <ftp://ftp.apnic.net/public/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest>, that IP
    address is in a range assigned to region code "AP". But there's no such
    country or TLD.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Aug 18, 2007
    #6
  7. On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:41:26 +1200, Mickey Mouse wrote:

    > I would think Asia-Pacific is a logical region code, even if domain names
    > aren't assigned along similar lines to the EU.


    Given that internet usage in Asia is growing quickly I think that it is
    now time for IP addresses to be assigned to countries rather than to the
    nebulous "asia pacific" region.


    --
    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #7
  8. Tony

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
    news:fa5rom$4v1$...
    > In message <fa5ot8$ob6$>, Steve wrote:
    >
    > Interesting. According to the latest version of
    > <ftp://ftp.apnic.net/public/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest>, that IP
    > address is in a range assigned to region code "AP". But there's no such
    > country or TLD.


    I would think Asia-Pacific is a logical region code, even if domain names
    aren't assigned along similar lines to the EU.
     
    Mickey Mouse, Aug 18, 2007
    #8
  9. Tony

    Tony Guest


    > However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
    > one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
    > (ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
    > Oz, but hidden.
    >


    Look at the trace, I would be extremely surprised if that was not in
    Australia -

    [root@galaxian ~]# tcptraceroute 124.108.96.66 110
    traceroute to 124.108.96.66 (124.108.96.66), 30 hops max, 110 byte packets
    1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.703 ms 10.361 ms
    10.392 ms
    2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8.8) 0.512 ms 0.630 ms 0.539 ms
    3 Gi9-1.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.527 ms 0.373 ms
    0.493 ms
    4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.644 ms 0.710
    ms 0.758 ms
    5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.532 ms 23.707
    ms 23.675 ms
    6 po12-1.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.122) 24.133 ms 23.718
    ms 23.708 ms
    7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.714 ms 25.041 ms 25.151 ms
    8 gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.781 ms
    gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.638 ms
    gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.835 ms
    9 pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66) 168.982 ms
    168.917 ms 165.367 ms
    [root@galaxian ~]#
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
    #9
  10. Tony

    Tony Guest

    Jonathan Walker wrote:
    > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >
    >> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for
    >> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com. pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for
    >> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has
    >> address 124.108.96.66

    >
    > That's called "outsourcing".
    >
    >


    Outsourcing a core competency of a company is rarely a good move for the
    companies customers. If Xtra can't do email, well I guess they are good
    at making ads.. nope outsourced.. how about helpdesk.. nope
    outsourced... well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
    #10
  11. Tony

    Tony Guest

    well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm


    oops... that's outsourced to Alcatel..
     
    Tony, Aug 18, 2007
    #11
  12. On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:16:12 +1200, Tony wrote:

    > oops... that's outsourced to Alcatel..


    Isn't that entirely owned by Telecom?


    --
    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
     
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 18, 2007
    #12
  13. Jonathan Walker wrote:
    > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:16:12 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >> oops... that's outsourced to Alcatel..

    > Isn't that entirely owned by Telecom?


    Point.

    Mock.
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
    #13
  14. Jonathan Walker wrote:
    > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:42:27 +1200, Mark Robinson wrote:
    >
    >> Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.

    >
    > No it doesn't.
    >
    > Telecom must obey the law, and the contract that they have agreed.
    >
    > The fact that Telecom has outsourced it's SMTP server does not remove from
    > it the obligation to honour it's legal and contractural obligations.


    Yahoo is not Telecom.

    NZ law only applies in NZ.

    Point.

    Mock.
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
    #14
  15. Tony

    Steve Guest

    On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:12:50 +1200, Tony wrote:

    > Jonathan Walker wrote:
    >> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >>
    >>> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for
    >>> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com. pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for
    >>> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has
    >>> address 124.108.96.66

    >>
    >> That's called "outsourcing".
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Outsourcing a core competency of a company is rarely a good move for the
    > companies customers. If Xtra can't do email, well I guess they are good
    > at making ads.. nope outsourced.. how about helpdesk.. nope
    > outsourced... well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm


    Works ok for Coke. All they own is a recipe.
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
    #15
  16. In message <2tod.net>, Mark Robinson wrote:

    > Jonathan Walker wrote:
    >> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:42:27 +1200, Mark Robinson wrote:
    >>
    >>> Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.

    >>
    >> No it doesn't.
    >>
    >> Telecom must obey the law, and the contract that they have agreed.
    >>
    >> The fact that Telecom has outsourced it's SMTP server does not remove
    >> from it the obligation to honour it's legal and contractural obligations.

    >
    > Yahoo is not Telecom.
    >
    > NZ law only applies in NZ.


    Which is where Telecom NZ is based.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Aug 18, 2007
    #16
  17. Tony

    Steve Guest

    On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:21:02 +1200, Jonathan Walker wrote:

    > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:16:12 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >
    >> oops... that's outsourced to Alcatel..

    >
    > Isn't that entirely owned by Telecom?
    >
    >

    I thought Lucent had a fair share.
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
    #17
  18. Tony

    Steve Guest

    On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:10:26 +1200, Tony wrote:

    > Look at the trace, I would be extremely surprised if that was not in
    > Australia -

    gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.638 ms
    > gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.835 ms
    > 9 pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66) 168.982 ms
    > 168.917 ms 165.367 ms
    > [root@galaxian ~]#


    I wou;dn't bet on it. Are you basing this on the hostnames? Look at the
    delay times.

    ....and don't log in as root :)
     
    Steve, Aug 18, 2007
    #18
  19. Steve wrote:
    > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:21:02 +1200, Jonathan Walker wrote:
    >> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:16:12 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >>> oops... that's outsourced to Alcatel..

    >> Isn't that entirely owned by Telecom?
    >>

    > I thought Lucent had a fair share.


    http://www1.alcatel-lucent.com/apropos/history/index.htm
     
    Mark Robinson, Aug 18, 2007
    #19
  20. Tony

    Gordon Guest

    On 2007-08-18, Steve <> wrote:
    > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:12:50 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >
    >> Jonathan Walker wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for
    >>>> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com. pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for
    >>>> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has
    >>>> address 124.108.96.66
    >>>
    >>> That's called "outsourcing".
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Outsourcing a core competency of a company is rarely a good move for the
    >> companies customers. If Xtra can't do email, well I guess they are good
    >> at making ads.. nope outsourced.. how about helpdesk.. nope
    >> outsourced... well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm

    >
    > Works ok for Coke. All they own is a recipe.


    Go on try and copy the shape of their bottle to yours as competition. Or the
    name etc..
     
    Gordon, Aug 18, 2007
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