how to start preparation

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?=, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to join a
    training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can any one guide me
    from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much time per day it need to
    study ?
    I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please advise.

    Thanks
    =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?=, Mar 29, 2007
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    CBIC Guest

    "Anil" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to join
    > a
    > training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can any one guide
    > me
    > from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much time per day it need
    > to
    > study ?
    > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please
    > advise.
    >
    > Thanks


    Well since I know your background so well I can say with all certainty if
    you study for 1 hour a week you will be ready to take any test in 5.67
    weeks. HTH
    CBIC, Mar 29, 2007
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    catwalker63 Guest

    Anil piffled away vaguely:

    > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to join a
    > training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can any one guide me
    > from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much time per day it need to
    > study ?
    > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please advise.
    >
    > Thanks


    I recommend you get some IT background first before attempting
    certification. The certs are meant for people who already have
    experience to certify their knowledge. If you want an educational
    course, take a college class or two and get an entry level position at a
    help-desk or something.
    --

    Catwalker
    MCNGP #43
    www.mcngp.com
    "Definitely not wearing any underwear."
    catwalker63, Mar 29, 2007
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    Lasher Guest

    =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?= <> wrote in
    news::

    > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to
    > join a training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can
    > any one guide me from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much
    > time per day it need to study ?
    > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please
    > advise.
    >
    > Thanks
    >


    Anil,

    First: I would recommend that you read as much as possible from
    Microsoft Press on the exams that you are taking and previous questions
    asked in the newsgroups on the questions you may have. Ask if you don't
    understand or use Google as a tool.

    Second: I would STRONGLY advise that you set yourself up a server
    environment that you can experiment with so that you have a basic
    fundamental knowledege of the Windows Server Environment and move up
    from there.

    Third: Go grab yourself either a MeasureUp or Self Test Software (I've
    had better luck with Self Test Software in my experience) on the exams
    you are worried about. Trust me, it will prepare you very well for the
    exam format that you will be taking.

    Fourth: It wouldn't hurt to get an MCDST or A+ Certification as your
    elective as it would just add to the list of certifications that you'd
    be achieving and make you more marketable. Either way, you have to take
    some elective courses in the MCSA/MCSE exam path.

    Fifth: There is more accurate study material available for the MCSE 2000
    than then MCSE 2003, which you can still take. Even though it is an
    older OS, there is a single exam that will upgrade your certification to
    an MCSE 2003 and you'd still have MCSE 2000 as a certification!

    Sixth: Don't use br@indumps. You'll end up not learning anything and
    when real-life experience, which is what certifications truly prove,
    comes into play and you can't do the job, it will be apparent that you
    didn't learn anything. Aside from that, it violates the Microsoft MCPPA
    and NDA for the exams.

    In response to your questions:

    I would say that the difficulty level is based upon your experience.
    And since you said that you were "not from an IT background", I would
    take it one step at a time and follow my advice above.

    The time per day that you need to spend studying all depends on how fast
    you can learn the material and feel confident enough to pass the exams.
    A lot of people get "test fright" right as they begin taking the tests,
    so get as much preparation in as possible.

    What kind of training program are you participating in? And if so, is
    it a Microsoft Certified Training Provider?

    And, how much time and resources do you have to devote to learning this
    material? Is there a deadline that you must meet? If you do not have a
    deadline, DO NOT RUSH YOURSELF. You will only end up taking the exam
    over because you'll have crammed in the information.

    All in all, make it fun. Don't stress out about it if you have time.
    And if you don't have time, make time. No one is going to force you to
    take the exams _now_. And if they are, you need to get a refund from
    the "bootcamp" you enrolled in.


    --
    Lasher
    MCNGP #50
    www.mcngp.com > all
    MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
    and taking out the lowdes of the world with fervor beyond anyone's
    belief.
    www.certguard.com/forums/
    Lasher, Mar 29, 2007
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    TheITGirl Guest

    "Anil" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to join
    > a
    > training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can any one guide
    > me
    > from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much time per day it need
    > to
    > study ?
    > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please
    > advise.
    >
    > Thanks

    Hello Anil

    The MCSE is a high-level certification intended for experienced
    professionals and is certainly not a starting place for a career in IT.

    All Microsoft certifications assume a certain level of experience in the
    particular role - without this experience you will find the study and exams
    very difficult.

    Of course, I don't know how much you already know about computers, my advice
    to you would be to look for an entry-level trainee position (you will likely
    have to take a drop in salary temporarily - I did). Such jobs are not easy
    to come by, I know, but a few speculative applications to local companies
    may yield results.

    Then, after 6-12 months in this job you can start thinking about your first
    certification, maybe A+ or MCDST, depending on where you want to specialise
    (eg. hardware or software).

    If you are serious about a career in IT, you will need to put in several
    hours of study time a week - there is a lot of material to learn!

    Best of luck

    IT Girl MCDST
    TheITGirl, Mar 29, 2007
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    CertGuard Guest

    "Anil" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to join a
    > training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can any one guide me
    > from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much time per day it need to
    > study ?
    > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please advise.
    >
    > Thanks



    You want to know what you're getting into?

    Read this: http://www.certguard.com/An-MCSE-Informative.asp

    As for the amount of study time. If you really want to learn, then look at it
    like a job. If you already have a job (or are in school), you need to try to
    work on these goals for at least 4 hours per day. If you don't have a job, then
    try to put in 8 hours per day. And always put in overtime whenever you can.

    --
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    CertGuard, Mar 29, 2007
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  7. Hi,
    Your answer is really very informative. Here I need to same more about
    myself. I am always good (can't say best) at study and feel that I can learn
    very easily the subject related to computers...
    I had very bad experiance of the exams in thepast, so I lost my morals and
    confidance.
    once more ,Thanks a Lot.

    Anil

    "Lasher" wrote:

    > =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?= <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to
    > > join a training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can
    > > any one guide me from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much
    > > time per day it need to study ?
    > > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please
    > > advise.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >

    >
    > Anil,
    >
    > First: I would recommend that you read as much as possible from
    > Microsoft Press on the exams that you are taking and previous questions
    > asked in the newsgroups on the questions you may have. Ask if you don't
    > understand or use Google as a tool.
    >
    > Second: I would STRONGLY advise that you set yourself up a server
    > environment that you can experiment with so that you have a basic
    > fundamental knowledege of the Windows Server Environment and move up
    > from there.
    >
    > Third: Go grab yourself either a MeasureUp or Self Test Software (I've
    > had better luck with Self Test Software in my experience) on the exams
    > you are worried about. Trust me, it will prepare you very well for the
    > exam format that you will be taking.
    >
    > Fourth: It wouldn't hurt to get an MCDST or A+ Certification as your
    > elective as it would just add to the list of certifications that you'd
    > be achieving and make you more marketable. Either way, you have to take
    > some elective courses in the MCSA/MCSE exam path.
    >
    > Fifth: There is more accurate study material available for the MCSE 2000
    > than then MCSE 2003, which you can still take. Even though it is an
    > older OS, there is a single exam that will upgrade your certification to
    > an MCSE 2003 and you'd still have MCSE 2000 as a certification!
    >
    > Sixth: Don't use br@indumps. You'll end up not learning anything and
    > when real-life experience, which is what certifications truly prove,
    > comes into play and you can't do the job, it will be apparent that you
    > didn't learn anything. Aside from that, it violates the Microsoft MCPPA
    > and NDA for the exams.
    >
    > In response to your questions:
    >
    > I would say that the difficulty level is based upon your experience.
    > And since you said that you were "not from an IT background", I would
    > take it one step at a time and follow my advice above.
    >
    > The time per day that you need to spend studying all depends on how fast
    > you can learn the material and feel confident enough to pass the exams.
    > A lot of people get "test fright" right as they begin taking the tests,
    > so get as much preparation in as possible.
    >
    > What kind of training program are you participating in? And if so, is
    > it a Microsoft Certified Training Provider?
    >
    > And, how much time and resources do you have to devote to learning this
    > material? Is there a deadline that you must meet? If you do not have a
    > deadline, DO NOT RUSH YOURSELF. You will only end up taking the exam
    > over because you'll have crammed in the information.
    >
    > All in all, make it fun. Don't stress out about it if you have time.
    > And if you don't have time, make time. No one is going to force you to
    > take the exams _now_. And if they are, you need to get a refund from
    > the "bootcamp" you enrolled in.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Lasher
    > MCNGP #50
    > www.mcngp.com > all
    > MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
    > and taking out the lowdes of the world with fervor beyond anyone's
    > belief.
    > www.certguard.com/forums/
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?=, Mar 29, 2007
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    Lasher Guest

    =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?= <> wrote in
    news::

    > Hi,
    > Your answer is really very informative. Here I need to same more about
    > myself. I am always good (can't say best) at study and feel that I
    > can learn very easily the subject related to computers...



    > I had very bad experiance of the exams in thepast, so I lost my
    > morals and
    > confidance.
    > once more ,Thanks a Lot.
    >
    > Anil
    >


    Anil,


    For some people, computers comes very easy. For others, they don't even
    know how to turn them on. If you feel confident enough, go for it.

    Please do tell me how much time you have to study and when you
    anticipate on taking these classes and exams. It would help me guide
    you more in the right direction.

    We all learn from our mistakes. The first Microsoft Exam I took, I
    failed because I wasn't prepared and didn't know what exactly to expect.
    I went back home, got the Self Test Software - which I had originally
    used MeasureUp and that just made things more confusing - rescheduled
    and passed with a very decent score.

    Don't let your confidence or morals get down. Just remember that the
    first time is always hard and we learn how to do better with each try!
    Keep up the good work and never stop learning!

    If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

    --
    Lasher
    MCNGP #50
    www.mcngp.com > all
    MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
    and taking out the lowdes of the world with fervor beyond anyone's
    belief.
    www.certguard.com/forums/
    Lasher, Mar 29, 2007
    #8
  9. Anil, anything I would advise you to do has already been stated
    professionally in this thread. Good job guys! I would lean toward
    CatWalker and CertGuard's post (he linked my article!). Seriously, this
    certification is not for beginners. It is not for book worms. It is one
    of Microsoft's elite certification. Lasher made some great suggestions.
    This certification REQUIRES time and dedication. When performed
    correctly, there are no shortcuts.

    --
    Michael D. Alligood
    MCSA, MCDST, MCP, A+,
    Network+, i-Net+, CIW Assoc.,
    CIW Certified Instructor

    http://yetanotherblog.typepad.com/theclassroom



    "Anil" <> wrote in message
    news::

    > Hi,
    > Your answer is really very informative. Here I need to same more about
    > myself. I am always good (can't say best) at study and feel that I can learn
    > very easily the subject related to computers...
    > I had very bad experiance of the exams in thepast, so I lost my morals and
    > confidance.
    > once more ,Thanks a Lot.
    >
    > Anil
    >
    > "Lasher" wrote:
    >
    > > =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?= <> wrote in
    > > news::
    > >
    > > > Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to
    > > > join a training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can
    > > > any one guide me from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much
    > > > time per day it need to study ?
    > > > I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please
    > > > advise.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > > >

    > >
    > > Anil,
    > >
    > > First: I would recommend that you read as much as possible from
    > > Microsoft Press on the exams that you are taking and previous questions
    > > asked in the newsgroups on the questions you may have. Ask if you don't
    > > understand or use Google as a tool.
    > >
    > > Second: I would STRONGLY advise that you set yourself up a server
    > > environment that you can experiment with so that you have a basic
    > > fundamental knowledege of the Windows Server Environment and move up
    > > from there.
    > >
    > > Third: Go grab yourself either a MeasureUp or Self Test Software (I've
    > > had better luck with Self Test Software in my experience) on the exams
    > > you are worried about. Trust me, it will prepare you very well for the
    > > exam format that you will be taking.
    > >
    > > Fourth: It wouldn't hurt to get an MCDST or A+ Certification as your
    > > elective as it would just add to the list of certifications that you'd
    > > be achieving and make you more marketable. Either way, you have to take
    > > some elective courses in the MCSA/MCSE exam path.
    > >
    > > Fifth: There is more accurate study material available for the MCSE 2000
    > > than then MCSE 2003, which you can still take. Even though it is an
    > > older OS, there is a single exam that will upgrade your certification to
    > > an MCSE 2003 and you'd still have MCSE 2000 as a certification!
    > >
    > > Sixth: Don't use br@indumps. You'll end up not learning anything and
    > > when real-life experience, which is what certifications truly prove,
    > > comes into play and you can't do the job, it will be apparent that you
    > > didn't learn anything. Aside from that, it violates the Microsoft MCPPA
    > > and NDA for the exams.
    > >
    > > In response to your questions:
    > >
    > > I would say that the difficulty level is based upon your experience.
    > > And since you said that you were "not from an IT background", I would
    > > take it one step at a time and follow my advice above.
    > >
    > > The time per day that you need to spend studying all depends on how fast
    > > you can learn the material and feel confident enough to pass the exams.
    > > A lot of people get "test fright" right as they begin taking the tests,
    > > so get as much preparation in as possible.
    > >
    > > What kind of training program are you participating in? And if so, is
    > > it a Microsoft Certified Training Provider?
    > >
    > > And, how much time and resources do you have to devote to learning this
    > > material? Is there a deadline that you must meet? If you do not have a
    > > deadline, DO NOT RUSH YOURSELF. You will only end up taking the exam
    > > over because you'll have crammed in the information.
    > >
    > > All in all, make it fun. Don't stress out about it if you have time.
    > > And if you don't have time, make time. No one is going to force you to
    > > take the exams _now_. And if they are, you need to get a refund from
    > > the "bootcamp" you enrolled in.
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Lasher
    > > MCNGP #50
    > > www.mcngp.com > all
    > > MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
    > > and taking out the lowdes of the world with fervor beyond anyone's
    > > belief.
    > > www.certguard.com/forums/
    > >
    Michael D. Alligood, Mar 30, 2007
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    Kline Sphere Guest

    >The MCSE is a high-level certification intended for experienced
    >professionals and is certainly not a starting place for a career in IT.


    no, that's right, school and college are.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 30, 2007
    #10
  11. Thanks again for giving me a positive attitude.

    Now, I have joined a microsoft certified training center (in india/delhi). I
    can give maximum 3 hour per day & more than 3hr in weekned ( saturday &
    Sunday).
    Some friends advise me to get experiance in this industry, but how can I
    enter without any knowledge of IT ?
    Here, I can have an option... The training center will provide me
    training( you can say basic) reg. networking for two month, after then they
    will start my training for MCSE.
    what I think - 1-This early two month training can give me a foundation to
    start preparation for MCSE.and 2)- I may enter in this idustry for gaining
    experiance afetr 2 month of training ( I don't think if I am right or
    wrong)......... Can these help me ?

    One thing more to make it more easy for you.. I work on microsoft XP so
    you can't say I am not completely unaware of computers. Also, I am graduate
    with Math & physics.

    Now I think you can guide me better..

    Thanks
    Anil
    > >

    >
    > Anil,
    >
    >
    > For some people, computers comes very easy. For others, they don't even
    > know how to turn them on. If you feel confident enough, go for it.
    >
    > Please do tell me how much time you have to study and when you
    > anticipate on taking these classes and exams. It would help me guide
    > you more in the right direction.
    >
    > We all learn from our mistakes. The first Microsoft Exam I took, I
    > failed because I wasn't prepared and didn't know what exactly to expect.
    > I went back home, got the Self Test Software - which I had originally
    > used MeasureUp and that just made things more confusing - rescheduled
    > and passed with a very decent score.
    >
    > Don't let your confidence or morals get down. Just remember that the
    > first time is always hard and we learn how to do better with each try!
    > Keep up the good work and never stop learning!
    >
    > If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
    >
    > --
    > Lasher
    > MCNGP #50
    > www.mcngp.com > all
    > MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
    > and taking out the lowdes of the world with fervor beyond anyone's
    > belief.
    > www.certguard.com/forums/
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?=, Mar 30, 2007
    #11
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    Lasher Guest

    =?Utf-8?B?QW5pbA==?= <> wrote in
    news::

    > Thanks again for giving me a positive attitude.
    >
    > Now, I have joined a microsoft certified training center (in
    > india/delhi). I can give maximum 3 hour per day & more than 3hr in
    > weekned ( saturday & Sunday).
    > Some friends advise me to get experiance in this industry, but how
    > can I
    > enter without any knowledge of IT ?
    > Here, I can have an option... The training center will provide me
    > training( you can say basic) reg. networking for two month, after then
    > they will start my training for MCSE.
    > what I think - 1-This early two month training can give me a
    > foundation to start preparation for MCSE.and 2)- I may enter in this
    > idustry for gaining experiance afetr 2 month of training ( I don't
    > think if I am right or wrong)......... Can these help me ?
    >
    > One thing more to make it more easy for you.. I work on microsoft
    > XP so
    > you can't say I am not completely unaware of computers. Also, I am
    > graduate with Math & physics.
    >
    > Now I think you can guide me better..
    >
    > Thanks
    > Anil


    Anil,


    No problem. Again, I'm happy to help.

    Well, in regards to your question about "entering without any knowledge
    of IT", if you have been using Windows XP, you're not completely in the
    dark and you have some knowledge of IT, but not on the corporate or
    WAN/LAN scheme of things. But don't fret.

    If you're running XP Professional, SP1 or SP2, go type "mmc" from
    start->run. This is the Microsoft Management Console. You basically
    will be dealing with this a LOT throughout your MCSA part of your MCSE
    certification and a fair bit within your MCSE certifications as it is
    reliant upon domain administration control. I suggest that you
    familiarize yourself with it on the user level while you can and just
    look at the definitions of what each plugin does. For instance, you
    could also type at run "services.msc". This shows all running services
    your computer has at this very moment. Some, like the Remote Procedure
    Call (RPC) are vital to running Windows and if shut down, the system
    will show a fault and force a reboot. Also, take a look at going to run
    and typing "secpol.msc" which is your local computer's security policy.
    Through your training, you will learn to implement not only a local
    security policy, but a group policy as an MCSA. Most of that can be
    found

    As far as two months in network training, so long as they give you
    assignments to do, I'd take that option. Some training is better than
    no training at all. Especially if you're going to do the MCSE
    Certification track. Three hours a day and more on the weekend, if
    you're studying the right material, will do you well. You can check out
    http://www.certguard.com/store.asp and see 70-270: MCSE Guide to
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Second Edition, Enhanced. I
    recently took a college course using this book and it SHOULD be the
    first test you take if you're going to become an MCSE. I highly
    recommend getting it either there or wherever you feel comfortable
    buying it as it is very informative. Once you read that, you'll have a
    much stronger basis to continue to learn for the 70-290 test, which the
    Thompson book related on that is also good as well and goes in depth as
    to the functions of the add/remove snap-ins from the Microsoft
    Management Console (mmc from run).

    If you have Math and Physics experience, then you should do fine
    learning this material if you can grasp the concept of subnetting, the
    1-7 layers of a network, and much more things beyond that. I would
    refer to http://www.certguard.com/An-MCSE-Informative.asp and see what
    Michael D. Alligood wrote about the MCSE program so that you have a
    better grasp as to what you're about to get into. The information he
    quotes is directly from the Microsoft Learning Website. I personally
    edited that article, so you can trust the information if you don't mind
    reading it.

    Anyway, entering the industry after two months of training is something
    that companies that we like to refer to as "bootcamps" falsely, a
    promise as there is no assured job in the IT just because you got an
    MCSE or an MCSA, or an MCP alone. Experience + a Certification is what
    gets you the kind of money you may be after. Please keep that in mind.
    Real-world experience, and not a training environment/lab, will be the
    only thing that truly decides where and what you're going to be doing
    and just how fast you will really learn. That's why I say go set
    yourself up a server or get VMWare and a copy of Microsoft Server 2003
    and see what you can do by creating a network in your own home. That
    way, you can do more when you're not at class and if you mess up, all
    you have to do is re-image the drives, given that you backed them up
    when you installed the software successfully.

    Again Anil, I'll be glad to answer any more of your questions, so keep
    them coming. There are others here that are much more experienced in
    the MCSE realm than myself as I do not have the certification, but I
    have worked/administrated/built an environment such as that before.


    Sincerely,

    --
    Lasher
    MCNGP #50
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    Lasher, Mar 31, 2007
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    jbj Guest

    I dissagree with the notion that you need to get the experience first, then
    take the exam. In an ideal world I would agree, but the reality is that most
    hiring agencies are asking for a shopping list of qualifications before they
    will even consider your application for a postion. Some of those shopping
    lists are so outrageous that it seems like they are asking for a team of
    people instead of just one person.

    "CertGuard" <CertGuard - The Stronghold for Excellence in IT Certification
    and Exam Security> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Anil" <> wrote in message
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    >> Hi, I am going to start preparing for MCSE exam and I have decided to
    >> join a
    >> training programm. I am not from IT background. Please, can any one
    >> guide me
    >> from his experiance - is it very difficult ? How much time per day it
    >> need to
    >> study ?
    >> I am working with a company (non-IT) so can't give more time. Please
    >> advise.
    >>
    >> Thanks

    >
    >
    > You want to know what you're getting into?
    >
    > Read this: http://www.certguard.com/An-MCSE-Informative.asp
    >
    > As for the amount of study time. If you really want to learn, then look at
    > it like a job. If you already have a job (or are in school), you need to
    > try to work on these goals for at least 4 hours per day. If you don't have
    > a job, then try to put in 8 hours per day. And always put in overtime
    > whenever you can.
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    jbj, Apr 2, 2007
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  14. "jbj" <> wrote in news:NRdQh.17839$6m4.6921@pd7urf1no:

    > I dissagree with the notion that you need to get the experience first,
    > then take the exam. In an ideal world I would agree, but the reality
    > is that most hiring agencies are asking for a shopping list of
    > qualifications before they will even consider your application for a
    > postion. Some of those shopping lists are so outrageous that it seems
    > like they are asking for a team of people instead of just one person.



    I disagree with this statement - When employers put out their list of
    qualifications they are actually only suggestions. They hope to find
    someone with all of he qualifications, but typically have to train new
    hires in whatever their experience shortcomings are. So employers hire
    based on the candidates that apply. If you have no experience ever working
    with a server yet you have an MCSE they will hire the person with actual
    experience anyhow and you are left with a fancy window scraper but no job.

    What you should do is look for a realistic and available position, get the
    experience you need, and back it up with a certification. You can not
    expect to jump right in as the lead network engineer, you must start at the
    bottom.

    I suggest that if your goal is to get a piece of paper first, make that
    piece of paper a Bachelor's degree, not an MCSE certification.
    Red Swingline Stapler, Apr 3, 2007
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    catwalker63 Guest

    jbj piffled away vaguely:

    > I dissagree with the notion that you need to get the experience first, then
    > take the exam. In an ideal world I would agree, but the reality is that most
    > hiring agencies are asking for a shopping list of qualifications before they
    > will even consider your application for a postion. Some of those shopping
    > lists are so outrageous that it seems like they are asking for a team of
    > people instead of just one person.


    Works for me. I have multiple personalities.

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    catwalker63, Apr 3, 2007
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    Kline Sphere Guest

    >but the reality is that most
    >hiring agencies are asking for a shopping list of qualifications before they
    >will even consider your application for a postion.


    i really cannot believe why on earth companies waste money with so
    called agencies, but there you go....

    in addition, if any company puts worthless certs above experience and
    education, they simply deserve what they get.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Apr 3, 2007
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    jbj Guest

    A good portion of them are asking for BOTH a shopping list of qualifications
    AND experience...

    Why are they doing that? Obviously, they want to hire people who are
    over-qualified for the job. Works fine in a job market where supply is
    higher than demand...

    "Kline Sphere" <.@> wrote in message
    news:...
    > >but the reality is that most
    >>hiring agencies are asking for a shopping list of qualifications before
    >>they
    >>will even consider your application for a postion.

    >
    > i really cannot believe why on earth companies waste money with so
    > called agencies, but there you go....
    >
    > in addition, if any company puts worthless certs above experience and
    > education, they simply deserve what they get.
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    jbj, Apr 4, 2007
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    Kline Sphere Guest

    >A good portion of them are asking for BOTH a shopping list of qualifications
    >AND experience...
    >
    >Why are they doing that? Obviously, they want to hire people who are
    >over-qualified for the job. Works fine in a job market where supply is
    >higher than demand...


    what i see in the ' job market' are more and more useless people whose
    only experienced is in fcuking things up. it's a disgrace.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Apr 5, 2007
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