How to make XP auto updates not shown?

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    DoggNZ, Feb 27, 2005
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    "DoggNZ" <> wrote in message
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    > Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    > updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    > logon.


    Having complete manual control over updates is dead easy. Of course each
    time you start up you're reminded that auto updates are switched off, as the
    user should be in control of the computer instead of Microsoft. You can't
    do much while the latest updates are being shoved on, so the user should
    decide when they don't need to use the PC while the updates happen. After
    all it usually needs restarting after getting the updates, and you might as
    well make use of them asap once you get them.

    E. Scrooge
    E. Scrooge, Feb 27, 2005
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  3. DoggNZ wrote:
    > Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    > updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    > logon.


    take away their admin rights... it is usually only shown to admins.
    Dave - dave.net.nz, Feb 27, 2005
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  4. DoggNZ

    DoggNZ Guest

    On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:32:48 +1300, "Dave - dave.net.nz"
    <> wrote:

    >DoggNZ wrote:
    >> Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    >> updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    >> logon.

    >
    >take away their admin rights... it is usually only shown to admins.


    You would think that...

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    DoggNZ, Feb 27, 2005
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  5. DoggNZ

    DoggNZ Guest

    On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:32:16 +1300, "E. Scrooge" <scrooge@*shot.co.nz
    (*sling)> wrote:

    >
    >"DoggNZ" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    >> updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    >> logon.

    >
    >Having complete manual control over updates is dead easy. Of course each
    >time you start up you're reminded that auto updates are switched off, as the
    >user should be in control of the computer instead of Microsoft. You can't
    >do much while the latest updates are being shoved on, so the user should
    >decide when they don't need to use the PC while the updates happen. After
    >all it usually needs restarting after getting the updates, and you might as
    >well make use of them asap once you get them.
    >
    >E. Scrooge
    >


    Okkaayyy. That didn't really answer my question but thanks anyway.

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    DoggNZ, Feb 27, 2005
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  6. DoggNZ wrote:
    >>>Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    >>>updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    >>>logon.

    >>take away their admin rights... it is usually only shown to admins.


    > You would think that...


    so no admin rights and they still get bothered about it?
    thats odd.
    Dave - dave.net.nz, Feb 27, 2005
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  7. Dave - dave.net.nz wrote:
    >>>> Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    >>>> updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    >>>> logon.
    >>> take away their admin rights... it is usually only shown to admins.

    >> You would think that...


    > so no admin rights and they still get bothered about it?
    > thats odd.


    explicitly deny them rights to that exe and see what happens?
    Dave - dave.net.nz, Feb 27, 2005
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  8. DoggNZ

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "DoggNZ" <> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:32:16 +1300, "E. Scrooge" <scrooge@*shot.co.nz
    > (*sling)> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"DoggNZ" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    >>> updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    >>> logon.

    >>
    >>Having complete manual control over updates is dead easy. Of course each
    >>time you start up you're reminded that auto updates are switched off, as
    >>the
    >>user should be in control of the computer instead of Microsoft. You can't
    >>do much while the latest updates are being shoved on, so the user should
    >>decide when they don't need to use the PC while the updates happen. After
    >>all it usually needs restarting after getting the updates, and you might
    >>as
    >>well make use of them asap once you get them.
    >>
    >>E. Scrooge
    >>

    >
    > Okkaayyy. That didn't really answer my question but thanks anyway.


    Because "stopping windows auto updates" on *Google* would've helped you to
    find the answer for yourself in no time at all. Anyway just follow the
    brief instructions below.

    Control Panel

    Automatic Updates icon

    check "turn off auto updates"

    XP SP2 - there's other options in there as well for controlling updates.
    Right click "My Computer" - properties - also brings up the same options.
    I'm sure the old way without SP2 was to select "manage" which gives access
    to main settings of XP.

    After the auto crap has been disabled you can go to - Start - All Programs -
    Windows Update - while online of course, and you'll be straight up the MS
    website update options. You'll then be able to check and get any updates
    any time that suits you to.

    E. Scrooge
    E. Scrooge, Feb 28, 2005
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  9. DoggNZ

    Adder Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on
    Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:56:01 +1300, DoggNZ <>
    says...
    > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:32:48 +1300, "Dave - dave.net.nz"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >DoggNZ wrote:
    > >> Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    > >> updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    > >> logon.

    > >
    > >take away their admin rights... it is usually only shown to admins.

    >
    > You would think that...


    since sp2 this has changed because the updates werent being installed for
    aalot of people
    ie machines used by nonadmins would never get updated
    its a global machine setting I dont think there is a peruser element
    Adder, Feb 28, 2005
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  10. DoggNZ

    SchoolTech Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Mon, 28 Feb
    2005 09:14:58 +1300, Dave - dave.net.nz <> says...
    > DoggNZ wrote:
    > >>>Is there anyway to have certain users not be pestered with automatic
    > >>>updates in XP? I want one user to see it and one not to when they
    > >>>logon.
    > >>take away their admin rights... it is usually only shown to admins.

    >
    > > You would think that...

    >
    > so no admin rights and they still get bothered about it?
    > thats odd.


    This was like a change that Microsoft brought in, initially in Service
    Pack 1, and more refined in SP2, I believe.

    The problem we, and presumably many other users, found, was that updates
    were only getting installed when someone with administrator rights logged
    into the machine. If the machine wasn't used by someone who was a member
    of an admins group, the machine would never be updated. You can see how
    this would be a problem.

    I understand it is possible for the updates to install automatically for
    users who are not admins. As I understand it, you're asking about the UI,
    and that's possibly a different issue.

    Are you referring to the annoying popup message that appears in the task
    tray? This can be turned off.
    SchoolTech, Feb 28, 2005
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  11. SchoolTech wrote:
    >>so no admin rights and they still get bothered about it?
    >>thats odd.


    > If the machine wasn't used by someone who was a member
    > of an admins group, the machine would never be updated. You can see how
    > this would be a problem.


    yes and no, personally I like to know which patches are installed on
    which machines, and I don't want users installing patches that may cause
    other issues.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Feb 28, 2005
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  12. DoggNZ

    DoggNZ Guest

    On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:43:48 +1300, "E. Scrooge" <scrooge@*shot.co.nz
    (*sling)> wrote:

    >


    >> Okkaayyy. That didn't really answer my question but thanks anyway.

    >
    >Because "stopping windows auto updates" on *Google* would've helped you to
    >find the answer for yourself in no time at all. Anyway just follow the
    >brief instructions below.
    >
    >Control Panel
    >
    >Automatic Updates icon
    >
    >check "turn off auto updates"
    >
    >XP SP2 - there's other options in there as well for controlling updates.
    >Right click "My Computer" - properties - also brings up the same options.
    >I'm sure the old way without SP2 was to select "manage" which gives access
    >to main settings of XP.
    >
    >After the auto crap has been disabled you can go to - Start - All Programs -
    >Windows Update - while online of course, and you'll be straight up the MS
    >website update options. You'll then be able to check and get any updates
    >any time that suits you to.
    >
    >E. Scrooge
    >


    You completely missed my question. I wasn't asking how to turn off
    Automatic updates completely or do a manual Windows update which I
    know how to do. What I was asking it how to disable it for one
    particular user (non-admin) and have it still enabled for another user
    (admin).

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    DoggNZ, Mar 1, 2005
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  13. "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > SchoolTech wrote:
    >>>so no admin rights and they still get bothered about it?
    >>>thats odd.

    >
    >> If the machine wasn't used by someone who was a member of an admins
    >> group, the machine would never be updated. You can see how this would be
    >> a problem.

    >
    > yes and no, personally I like to know which patches are installed on which
    > machines, and I don't want users installing patches that may cause other
    > issues.


    Hi Dave,
    your post caught my eye and I have a few questions if that's OK:

    1. Do you selectively choose which patches to apply (i.e. are there some you
    never apply ?) or...
    2. Is your policy more one of testing before deploying (i.e. all patches get
    rolled out but only after you've tested each one)
    3. What would be your guesstimate of how often a user-installed patch causes
    'other issues' ? (as a percentage)

    Thanks in advance

    Brett Roberts
    Microsoft NZ
    Brett Roberts, Mar 1, 2005
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  14. DoggNZ

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "DoggNZ" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:43:48 +1300, "E. Scrooge" <scrooge@*shot.co.nz
    > (*sling)> wrote:
    >
    >>

    >
    >>> Okkaayyy. That didn't really answer my question but thanks anyway.

    >>
    >>Because "stopping windows auto updates" on *Google* would've helped you to
    >>find the answer for yourself in no time at all. Anyway just follow the
    >>brief instructions below.
    >>
    >>Control Panel
    >>
    >>Automatic Updates icon
    >>
    >>check "turn off auto updates"
    >>
    >>XP SP2 - there's other options in there as well for controlling updates.
    >>Right click "My Computer" - properties - also brings up the same options.
    >>I'm sure the old way without SP2 was to select "manage" which gives access
    >>to main settings of XP.
    >>
    >>After the auto crap has been disabled you can go to - Start - All
    >>Programs -
    >>Windows Update - while online of course, and you'll be straight up the MS
    >>website update options. You'll then be able to check and get any updates
    >>any time that suits you to.
    >>
    >>E. Scrooge
    >>

    >
    > You completely missed my question. I wasn't asking how to turn off
    > Automatic updates completely or do a manual Windows update which I
    > know how to do. What I was asking it how to disable it for one
    > particular user (non-admin) and have it still enabled for another user
    > (admin).


    Yes, that's true, but what's the point when it's not that hard to check for
    any new updates manually. It's just as quick as the auto update as you're
    going straight to the MS update website.
    The guy that doesn't need to check updates needn't worry about them, the
    other guy can check for them whenever he wants to. Hardly any too difficult
    about about that.
    The idea of the updates is for that OS no matter who uses it. You want the
    auto updates and yet you don't want the auto updates. It's a pretty
    pointless wish, especially when manual updates solves your problem easy
    enough anyway.

    E. Scrooge
    E. Scrooge, Mar 1, 2005
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  15. DoggNZ

    SchoolTech Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Tue, 01 Mar 2005
    07:18:44 +1300, Dave - Dave.net.nz <> says...
    > SchoolTech wrote:
    > >>so no admin rights and they still get bothered about it?
    > >>thats odd.

    >
    > > If the machine wasn't used by someone who was a member
    > > of an admins group, the machine would never be updated. You can see how
    > > this would be a problem.

    >
    > yes and no, personally I like to know which patches are installed on
    > which machines, and I don't want users installing patches that may cause
    > other issues.


    On a big network like yours, the whole thing would be controlled through
    WUS of Windows Server 2003 and group policy, I presume.
    SchoolTech, Mar 1, 2005
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  16. DoggNZ

    SchoolTech Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on
    Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:27:48 +1300, DoggNZ <>
    says...
    > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:43:48 +1300, "E. Scrooge" <scrooge@*shot.co.nz
    > (*sling)> wrote:
    >
    > >

    >
    > >> Okkaayyy. That didn't really answer my question but thanks anyway.

    > >
    > >Because "stopping windows auto updates" on *Google* would've helped you to
    > >find the answer for yourself in no time at all. Anyway just follow the
    > >brief instructions below.
    > >
    > >Control Panel
    > >
    > >Automatic Updates icon
    > >
    > >check "turn off auto updates"
    > >
    > >XP SP2 - there's other options in there as well for controlling updates.
    > >Right click "My Computer" - properties - also brings up the same options.
    > >I'm sure the old way without SP2 was to select "manage" which gives access
    > >to main settings of XP.
    > >
    > >After the auto crap has been disabled you can go to - Start - All Programs -
    > >Windows Update - while online of course, and you'll be straight up the MS
    > >website update options. You'll then be able to check and get any updates
    > >any time that suits you to.
    > >
    > >E. Scrooge
    > >

    >
    > You completely missed my question. I wasn't asking how to turn off
    > Automatic updates completely or do a manual Windows update which I
    > know how to do. What I was asking it how to disable it for one
    > particular user (non-admin) and have it still enabled for another user
    > (admin).


    Scrooge is wrong anyway. As soon as you go to Windows Update it forces
    you to turn on automatic updates.
    SchoolTech, Mar 1, 2005
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  17. SchoolTech wrote:
    >>>If the machine wasn't used by someone who was a member
    >>>of an admins group, the machine would never be updated. You can see how
    >>>this would be a problem.


    >>yes and no, personally I like to know which patches are installed on
    >>which machines, and I don't want users installing patches that may cause
    >>other issues.


    > On a big network like yours, the whole thing would be controlled through
    > WUS of Windows Server 2003 and group policy, I presume.


    yep, but you should do it for any network.
    I've just taken over a smaller IT job for another company, and have
    removed admin rights from the whole lot of them(12), automated
    backups(p2p network so no "server", scripted backups to two machines,
    files burned to 2 CDRs, one kept there, one taken home and stored in a
    fireproof safe in a closet).

    Have checked what software they have, and am trying to get a few things
    fixed up, one piece of software(odd accounting stuff), had 96MB of
    updates, it's only 35MB installed lol, I also had a go at reconciling
    their liciensing, and although mosly correct, they do have three windows
    installs and 2 office installs un-accounted for, although they paid for
    them.

    oh, sorry, yeah, we use SMS and a few third party utils to do things.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Mar 1, 2005
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  18. DoggNZ

    DoggNZ Guest

    On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:46:19 +1300, SchoolTech
    <> wrote:

    <snip>
    >
    >Scrooge is wrong anyway. As soon as you go to Windows Update it forces
    >you to turn on automatic updates.


    You don't have to have automatic updates turned on (although it does
    warn you) but you do have to have the service running. This wasn't the
    case pre SP1.

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    SchoolTech Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on
    Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:23:26 +1300, DoggNZ <>
    says...
    > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:46:19 +1300, SchoolTech
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > <snip>
    > >
    > >Scrooge is wrong anyway. As soon as you go to Windows Update it forces
    > >you to turn on automatic updates.

    >
    > You don't have to have automatic updates turned on (although it does
    > warn you) but you do have to have the service running. This wasn't the
    > case pre SP1.


    My recollection was, I went to the site and it told me I had to turn on
    auto updates.
    SchoolTech, Mar 1, 2005
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  20. DoggNZ

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "SchoolTech" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <> in nz.comp on
    > Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:27:48 +1300, DoggNZ <>
    > says...
    >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:43:48 +1300, "E. Scrooge" <scrooge@*shot.co.nz
    >> (*sling)> wrote:
    >>
    >> >

    >>
    >> >> Okkaayyy. That didn't really answer my question but thanks anyway.
    >> >
    >> >Because "stopping windows auto updates" on *Google* would've helped you
    >> >to
    >> >find the answer for yourself in no time at all. Anyway just follow the
    >> >brief instructions below.
    >> >
    >> >Control Panel
    >> >
    >> >Automatic Updates icon
    >> >
    >> >check "turn off auto updates"
    >> >
    >> >XP SP2 - there's other options in there as well for controlling updates.
    >> >Right click "My Computer" - properties - also brings up the same
    >> >options.
    >> >I'm sure the old way without SP2 was to select "manage" which gives
    >> >access
    >> >to main settings of XP.
    >> >
    >> >After the auto crap has been disabled you can go to - Start - All
    >> >Programs -
    >> >Windows Update - while online of course, and you'll be straight up the
    >> >MS
    >> >website update options. You'll then be able to check and get any
    >> >updates
    >> >any time that suits you to.
    >> >
    >> >E. Scrooge
    >> >

    >>
    >> You completely missed my question. I wasn't asking how to turn off
    >> Automatic updates completely or do a manual Windows update which I
    >> know how to do. What I was asking it how to disable it for one
    >> particular user (non-admin) and have it still enabled for another user
    >> (admin).

    >
    > Scrooge is wrong anyway. As soon as you go to Windows Update it forces
    > you to turn on automatic updates.


    LMAO
    Does it now?
    I guess I have a completely different version of XP than you do, and with
    SP2 that hardly forces anyone to turn on auto updates either.
    All the website says is that your auto updates is off. You still get the
    updates downloaded, then piss off until you decide to go back at a time that
    suits you to.
    Maunual updates gives full comtroll over when you want to check for them and
    when you want the computer to take about an hour to get them.

    E. Scrooge
    E. Scrooge, Mar 2, 2005
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