how to find out if exams have changed?

Discussion in 'MCSA' started by djc, Aug 9, 2006.

  1. djc

    djc Guest

    for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume MS will
    update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice test (like
    transcender) which does not match the current exam info.
     
    djc, Aug 9, 2006
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  2. djc

    AJR Guest

    SUS is still applicable - has been "renamed" WSUS

    "djc" <> wrote in message
    news:Oy6i10%...
    > for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    > information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume MS
    > will update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice test (like
    > transcender) which does not match the current exam info.
    >
     
    AJR, Aug 9, 2006
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  3. djc

    BD [MCNGP] Guest

    >>Did you see what AJR () graced us with in
    %23c9Vhx$?<<
    > SUS is still applicable - has been "renamed" WSUS
    >

    FYI. SUS hasn't just been *renamed* to WSUS. As of Dec 6, 2006, M$ will no
    longer support SUS and will have made a full transition to WSUS. And...since
    August 2005, SUS has not been available for download (unless of course you find
    it from a 3rd party), which I don't suggest doing unless you've got a death wish
    for your server ;)

    SUS was Software Update Services
    WSUS is Windows Server Update Services

    Here, I'll let you read for yourself.
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/updateservices/evaluation/faqs.mspx



    > "djc" <> wrote in message
    > news:Oy6i10%...
    >> for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    >> information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume
    >> MS will update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice
    >> test (like transcender) which does not match the current exam info.

    >

    For you djc, I suggest following up on the Transcender thing, if you purchased
    it through them, they may update your software (I don't rightly know)...but
    there's no harm in asking, right?!

    Or, you can just go with one of the two companies that have actually been
    certified to produce M$ Practice Exams

    MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware

    --
    BD
    MCNGP #51
    -- MCNGP.com - You know IT!?
    -- www.CertGuard.com; www.SWPPM.com
     
    BD [MCNGP], Aug 9, 2006
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  4. djc

    djc Guest

    Thats what I thought. So do you know if the test has changed or do I just
    learn SUS for the test? More importantly, how do I check on any test being
    updated?

    "BD [MCNGP]" <BD@CertGuard> wrote in message
    news:...
    >>>Did you see what AJR () graced us with in

    > %23c9Vhx$?<<
    >> SUS is still applicable - has been "renamed" WSUS
    >>

    > FYI. SUS hasn't just been *renamed* to WSUS. As of Dec 6, 2006, M$ will no
    > longer support SUS and will have made a full transition to WSUS.
    > And...since
    > August 2005, SUS has not been available for download (unless of course you
    > find
    > it from a 3rd party), which I don't suggest doing unless you've got a
    > death wish
    > for your server ;)
    >
    > SUS was Software Update Services
    > WSUS is Windows Server Update Services
    >
    > Here, I'll let you read for yourself.
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/updateservices/evaluation/faqs.mspx
    >
    >
    >
    >> "djc" <> wrote in message
    >> news:Oy6i10%...
    >>> for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    >>> information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume
    >>> MS will update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice
    >>> test (like transcender) which does not match the current exam info.

    >>

    > For you djc, I suggest following up on the Transcender thing, if you
    > purchased
    > it through them, they may update your software (I don't rightly
    > know)...but
    > there's no harm in asking, right?!
    >
    > Or, you can just go with one of the two companies that have actually been
    > certified to produce M$ Practice Exams
    >
    > MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware
    >
    > --
    > BD
    > MCNGP #51
    > -- MCNGP.com - You know IT!?
    > -- www.CertGuard.com; www.SWPPM.com
    >
    >
     
    djc, Aug 10, 2006
    #4
  5. djc

    Blackmetal Guest

    I believe there is no way to know if a test has been updated or changed,
    because it would mean the disclosure of the test content and that's now
    allowed.

    "djc" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > Thats what I thought. So do you know if the test has changed or do I just
    > learn SUS for the test? More importantly, how do I check on any test being
    > updated?
    >
    > "BD [MCNGP]" <BD@CertGuard> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>>>Did you see what AJR () graced us with in

    >> %23c9Vhx$?<<
    >>> SUS is still applicable - has been "renamed" WSUS
    >>>

    >> FYI. SUS hasn't just been *renamed* to WSUS. As of Dec 6, 2006, M$ will
    >> no
    >> longer support SUS and will have made a full transition to WSUS.
    >> And...since
    >> August 2005, SUS has not been available for download (unless of course
    >> you find
    >> it from a 3rd party), which I don't suggest doing unless you've got a
    >> death wish
    >> for your server ;)
    >>
    >> SUS was Software Update Services
    >> WSUS is Windows Server Update Services
    >>
    >> Here, I'll let you read for yourself.
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/updateservices/evaluation/faqs.mspx
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> "djc" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:Oy6i10%...
    >>>> for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    >>>> information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume
    >>>> MS will update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice
    >>>> test (like transcender) which does not match the current exam info.
    >>>

    >> For you djc, I suggest following up on the Transcender thing, if you
    >> purchased
    >> it through them, they may update your software (I don't rightly
    >> know)...but
    >> there's no harm in asking, right?!
    >>
    >> Or, you can just go with one of the two companies that have actually been
    >> certified to produce M$ Practice Exams
    >>
    >> MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware
    >>
    >> --
    >> BD
    >> MCNGP #51
    >> -- MCNGP.com - You know IT!?
    >> -- www.CertGuard.com; www.SWPPM.com
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    Blackmetal, Aug 10, 2006
    #5
  6. djc

    Blackmetal Guest

    Correction to my own posting:

    I tried to say "THAT'S NOT ALLOWED" and I wrote: "That's now allowed".

    I make the clarification before being crucified!!! :D

    "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I believe there is no way to know if a test has been updated or changed,
    >because it would mean the disclosure of the test content and that's now
    >allowed.
    >
    > "djc" <> wrote in message
    > news:%...
    >> Thats what I thought. So do you know if the test has changed or do I just
    >> learn SUS for the test? More importantly, how do I check on any test
    >> being updated?
    >>
    >> "BD [MCNGP]" <BD@CertGuard> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>>>Did you see what AJR () graced us with in
    >>> %23c9Vhx$?<<
    >>>> SUS is still applicable - has been "renamed" WSUS
    >>>>
    >>> FYI. SUS hasn't just been *renamed* to WSUS. As of Dec 6, 2006, M$ will
    >>> no
    >>> longer support SUS and will have made a full transition to WSUS.
    >>> And...since
    >>> August 2005, SUS has not been available for download (unless of course
    >>> you find
    >>> it from a 3rd party), which I don't suggest doing unless you've got a
    >>> death wish
    >>> for your server ;)
    >>>
    >>> SUS was Software Update Services
    >>> WSUS is Windows Server Update Services
    >>>
    >>> Here, I'll let you read for yourself.
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/updateservices/evaluation/faqs.mspx
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> "djc" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:Oy6i10%...
    >>>>> for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    >>>>> information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume
    >>>>> MS will update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice
    >>>>> test (like transcender) which does not match the current exam info.
    >>>>
    >>> For you djc, I suggest following up on the Transcender thing, if you
    >>> purchased
    >>> it through them, they may update your software (I don't rightly
    >>> know)...but
    >>> there's no harm in asking, right?!
    >>>
    >>> Or, you can just go with one of the two companies that have actually
    >>> been
    >>> certified to produce M$ Practice Exams
    >>>
    >>> MeasureUp or SelfTestSoftware
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> BD
    >>> MCNGP #51
    >>> -- MCNGP.com - You know IT!?
    >>> -- www.CertGuard.com; www.SWPPM.com
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    Blackmetal, Aug 10, 2006
    #6
  7. Hi DJC,

    Unfortunately there is a bit of a problem with issues like this. Once a
    test has been created it is sealed - that is, it cannot be changed, it can
    only be replaced which means rewriting it, beta testing, reviewing, then
    releasing it. That is just not a viable situation in a situation such as
    this, where the technology changes somewhat but not significantly enough to
    warrant a re-write.

    70-290 has not been changed with the retiring of SUS and the advent of WSUS.
    As I am not on the team I cannot confirm this, but I would bet that there is
    a team at Microsoft who reviewed the material, looked at the questions on
    70-290 that involved SUS (if there are any :)) and went through it to
    determine if they were specific to SUS, or would they apply equally if you
    were to replace SUS with WSUS.

    One of the difficulties faced by test creators is the constant changes in
    technologies. Should exams be recreated when updates are released for a
    product? It is not viable. Therefore if you were to take a question on
    Exchange Server 2003 today and there was a question (note I have never taken
    this so I am not disclosing anything NDA) about the maximum size of an
    Exchange database, the correct answer would be sixteen gigabytes, even though
    Service Pack 2 for Exchange Server 2003 increased that limit to seventy-five
    gigabytes. Exams are written based on the RTM (Release To Manufacturing)
    version of a product, and not on patches or updates or service packs.

    Does that make it more difficult to study? Yes. There are cases when you
    have to remember outdated information. However to flip that around, it is
    still relevant until every single install of every single Microsoft product
    in the world is properly patched!

    Good luck and let us know how you do on 70-290!

    M
    --
    MDG, MCSA
    MCSA (2003), MCSA (2000)
    Certified Small Business Specialist
    Visit my blog at www.mitpro.ca/Blogs/tabid/55/BlogID/2/Default.aspx


    "djc" wrote:

    > for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    > information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume MS will
    > update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice test (like
    > transcender) which does not match the current exam info.
    >
    >
    >
     
    Montreal MCSA, Aug 10, 2006
    #7
  8. djc

    djc Guest

    ok. Thanks.

    "Montreal MCSA" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi DJC,
    >
    > Unfortunately there is a bit of a problem with issues like this. Once a
    > test has been created it is sealed - that is, it cannot be changed, it can
    > only be replaced which means rewriting it, beta testing, reviewing, then
    > releasing it. That is just not a viable situation in a situation such as
    > this, where the technology changes somewhat but not significantly enough
    > to
    > warrant a re-write.
    >
    > 70-290 has not been changed with the retiring of SUS and the advent of
    > WSUS.
    > As I am not on the team I cannot confirm this, but I would bet that there
    > is
    > a team at Microsoft who reviewed the material, looked at the questions on
    > 70-290 that involved SUS (if there are any :)) and went through it to
    > determine if they were specific to SUS, or would they apply equally if you
    > were to replace SUS with WSUS.
    >
    > One of the difficulties faced by test creators is the constant changes in
    > technologies. Should exams be recreated when updates are released for a
    > product? It is not viable. Therefore if you were to take a question on
    > Exchange Server 2003 today and there was a question (note I have never
    > taken
    > this so I am not disclosing anything NDA) about the maximum size of an
    > Exchange database, the correct answer would be sixteen gigabytes, even
    > though
    > Service Pack 2 for Exchange Server 2003 increased that limit to
    > seventy-five
    > gigabytes. Exams are written based on the RTM (Release To Manufacturing)
    > version of a product, and not on patches or updates or service packs.
    >
    > Does that make it more difficult to study? Yes. There are cases when you
    > have to remember outdated information. However to flip that around, it is
    > still relevant until every single install of every single Microsoft
    > product
    > in the world is properly patched!
    >
    > Good luck and let us know how you do on 70-290!
    >
    > M
    > --
    > MDG, MCSA
    > MCSA (2003), MCSA (2000)
    > Certified Small Business Specialist
    > Visit my blog at www.mitpro.ca/Blogs/tabid/55/BlogID/2/Default.aspx
    >
    >
    > "djc" wrote:
    >
    >> for example, I just bought the transcender for 290. I see lots of SUS
    >> information in this exam. Now that SUS is no longer current I assume MS
    >> will
    >> update the 290 exam. My fear is that I may buy a practice test (like
    >> transcender) which does not match the current exam info.
    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    djc, Aug 10, 2006
    #8
  9. djc

    Lnkwizard2 Guest

    "Blackmetal" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Correction to my own posting:
    >
    > I tried to say "THAT'S NOT ALLOWED" and I wrote: "That's now allowed".
    >
    > I make the clarification before being crucified!!! :D
    >


    Darn it, now I have to put the cross away. You sure know
    how to spoil a person's fun. I hope Lowe's will give me
    a refund on the spikes.
     
    Lnkwizard2, Aug 10, 2006
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