How much spam?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Jonski, May 17, 2004.

  1. Jonski

    Jonski Guest

    Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    I munged my email address. Sigh.

    So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    personal email?

    Cheers
    Jon

    PS With the right tools at my fingertips, I hope I'll be able to keep
    it under control. Signed back up with spamcop, and I think Mailwasher
    will be installed shortly. Have now removed my return addy from my
    newsreader.
     
    Jonski, May 17, 2004
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  2. "Jonski" <!> wrote in message news:...
    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?


    ~150. I receive ~50 to my free.net.nz account, ~100 to i4free.co.nz, and 4-5 to paradise.net.nz.

    Tony.
     
    The Black Wibble, May 17, 2004
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  3. The Black Wibble wrote:

    > "Jonski" <!> wrote in message news:...
    >
    >>Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    >>spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    >>guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    >>I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >>
    >>So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    >>personal email?

    >
    >
    > ~150. I receive ~50 to my free.net.nz account, ~100 to i4free.co.nz, and 4-5 to paradise.net.nz.


    ~100 a day to my usenet addy, ~10 a day to my usual address, ~1 that
    gets through my filters.
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, May 17, 2004
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  4. Jonski

    Don Gould Guest

    168 so far today.

    Anti spam program catchs most of them thou.

    Care factor is very low really. Spam is keeping many in the IT industry
    employed. Remove the spam remove one of the major reasons for keeping
    IT staff.


    Cheers Don

    Jonski wrote:

    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?
    >
    > Cheers
    > Jon
    >
    > PS With the right tools at my fingertips, I hope I'll be able to keep
    > it under control. Signed back up with spamcop, and I think Mailwasher
    > will be installed shortly. Have now removed my return addy from my
    > newsreader.
     
    Don Gould, May 17, 2004
    #4
  5. Don Gould wrote:

    > 168 so far today.
    >
    > Anti spam program catchs most of them thou.
    >
    > Care factor is very low really. Spam is keeping many in the IT industry
    > employed. Remove the spam remove one of the major reasons for keeping
    > IT staff.


    I am the "mailmarshal" at my work place, and I spend ~40mins a day
    sorting and reading... noting of good por^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbad domains etc.
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, May 17, 2004
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  6. Jonski

    PseUDO Guest

    Jonski wrote:
    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?
    >
    > Cheers
    > Jon
    >
    > PS With the right tools at my fingertips, I hope I'll be able to keep
    > it under control. Signed back up with spamcop, and I think Mailwasher
    > will be installed shortly. Have now removed my return addy from my
    > newsreader.

    I must be lucky then, i changed my address about this time last year,
    and have only given it out to around 20 or so people, and as of today
    have received the grand total of Zero spam messages, yep thats right
    Zero Zip Nada !, if i have to use an email address to logon to a website
    i use a hotmail account.

    Im currently using a email address from here
    http://www.personalisedemails.co.nz/ it cost $9 a year when i joined up
    but thing is they have still yet to bill me !, hope they aren't reading
    this :)

    Secret to not getting spam, dont give out your email address to anybody
    you dont trust, dont use it on any websites that sell email addresses on
    to a third party, dont use your email address on newsgroups, and lastly
    dont use a name before the @ symbol that can be worked out easy in a
    dictionary attack against your isp .

    PseUDO
     
    PseUDO, May 17, 2004
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  7. Jonski

    Nik Coughin Guest

    PseUDO wrote:
    >
    > dont use a name before the @ symbol that can
    > be worked out easily in a dictionary attack against your isp .


    Some attacks target random groups of letters. I have an email address that
    I don't use and that I've never given to anyone, which doesn't consist of a
    name or a word that would appear in any dictionary. It is five letters
    chosen fairly much at random.

    Just to help me further illustrate my point, let's say that it's
    .

    I've had two spams to that account, the only mail it's ever received. One
    of these consisted of entirely random looking addresses, ie
    , etc. and the other appeared to be in
    sequence, ie:

    To: ; ; ; ;


    What I didn't get about the sequenced spam was that the number of possible
    combinations is enormous, surely they cannot have sent spam to every single
    different combination of letters? Same goes for randomly generated
    addresses, surely the strike rate would simply be too low to bother? Yet
    obviously, in these two cases, someone did.
     
    Nik Coughin, May 17, 2004
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  8. In article <>, !
    lid says...
    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?


    None at all. But my email addresses are not posted in any Usenet group.

    All I get is a handful of messages to an address I use on a couple of web
    sites.
     
    Patrick Dunford, May 17, 2004
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  9. "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote in message news:...
    > The Black Wibble wrote:
    >
    > > "Jonski" <!> wrote in message news:...

    [...]
    > >>So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > >>personal email?

    > >
    > >
    > > ~150. I receive ~50 to my free.net.nz account, ~100 to i4free.co.nz, and 4-5 to paradise.net.nz.

    >
    > ~100 a day to my usenet addy, ~10 a day to my usual address, ~1 that
    > gets through my filters.


    It is always the one that gets through which makes me want to see all spammers hung by the thumbs.

    Tony.
     
    The Black Wibble, May 17, 2004
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  10. Jonski

    Alden Bates Guest

    "Nik Coughin" <nrkn!no-spam!@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
    >What I didn't get about the sequenced spam was that the number of possible
    >combinations is enormous, surely they cannot have sent spam to every single
    >different combination of letters?


    Sure, why not? It doesn't cost them any more if the emails bounce,
    since they munge the return address.

    >Same goes for randomly generated
    >addresses, surely the strike rate would simply be too low to bother? Yet
    >obviously, in these two cases, someone did.


    The whole point of spam is you spam 50 million people, and if .1% of
    them respond positively, that's still 50,000 sales you've just made.
    :)

    Alden
    --
    http://www.tetrap.com
     
    Alden Bates, May 17, 2004
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  11. "Jonski" <!> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?


    Personal/Family Email Accounts: None, except for when a family friend's (in
    particular, my father's colleagues) computer gets infected.
    Account: 20-30 a day.
     
    Alpine Dragon, May 17, 2004
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  12. Jonski

    Divine Guest

    On Mon, 17 May 2004 14:56:18 +1200, Jonski wrote:

    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your personal
    > email?


    I rarely get spam in my regular email address. Maybe one in six months.

    However, the email addy that is published on my website - maybe 500/month.


    Divine

    --
    The Queen's Mother: "Well I don't know what all you queens are doing,
    but this old Queen wants a drink."
     
    Divine, May 17, 2004
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  13. Jonski

    Divine Guest

    On Mon, 17 May 2004 16:55:13 +1200, Nik Coughin wrote:

    > What I didn't get about the sequenced spam was that the number of possible
    > combinations is enormous, surely they cannot have sent spam to every
    > single different combination of letters? Same goes for randomly generated
    > addresses, surely the strike rate would simply be too low to bother? Yet
    > obviously, in these two cases, someone did.


    If you are using somebody else's virus-compromised computer to send those
    sequences then you'd not at all be concerned about having a low strike
    rate as you'd not be the one paying for the bandwidth.


    Divine

    --
    The Queen's Mother: "Well I don't know what all you queens are doing,
    but this old Queen wants a drink."
     
    Divine, May 17, 2004
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  14. Jonski

    Kookaburra Guest

    On Mon, 17 May 2004 18:50:23 +1200, Divine <>
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 17 May 2004 14:56:18 +1200, Jonski wrote:
    >
    >> So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your personal
    >> email?

    >
    >I rarely get spam in my regular email address. Maybe one in six months.
    >
    >However, the email addy that is published on my website - maybe 500/month.
    >
    >
    >Divine


    63 today that Paradise caught and 6 that I caught with MailWasher.
    Last week I got over 500 in 3 days.

    Cheers, Kooky
     
    Kookaburra, May 17, 2004
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  15. Jonski

    steve Guest

    Jonski wrote:
    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?


    My personal e-mail address was on a web site for severla years....so is
    well and truly part of the spammers resource kit.

    I use Sendmail's 'access' feature on my Linux-based mail server to block
    mail from sources I know to be spam.

    Without too much effort, I have it so that my server blocks - for
    example - 108 spam attempts yesterday....while about 10 get through.

    Internally, I run a 'white-list' in my mail client.....so if I'm not
    expecting mail from you, your mail goes into my SPAM folder by default.

    I look in there each day and add valid addresses to my filters -
    pointing to the appropriate folder.

    So I never actually see spam no matter what...It's just a question of
    whether or not my mail server accepts it or not...and after 2 years of
    building a filter list manually....I stop about 90-95% of the spam.

    I check the spam box every 2-3 weeks and any addresses or IP addresses
    that appear several times go into the access blocking list.

    Often, you will find you get mail with diverse e-mail addresses
    emanating from a single IP address. I then block that and it wipes out
    another big chunk of crud I used to get.
     
    steve, May 17, 2004
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  16. Jonski

    Divine Guest

    On Mon, 17 May 2004 19:23:56 +1200, Kookaburra wrote:

    > 63 today that Paradise caught and 6 that I caught with MailWasher. Last
    > week I got over 500 in 3 days.


    Makes me feel very lucky indeed.


    Divine

    --
    The Queen's Mother: "Well I don't know what all you queens are doing,
    but this old Queen wants a drink."
     
    Divine, May 17, 2004
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  17. Jonski wrote:
    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?


    Hundreds daily. Ihug usually catches all but 2 for me, then my filters
    remove those remaining 2.

    Ihug provides an excellent anti-spam service,

    Cheers,
    Nicholas Sherlock
     
    Nicholas Sherlock, May 17, 2004
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  18. Nik Coughin wrote:
    > surely the strike rate would simply be too low to bother? Yet
    > obviously, in these two cases, someone did.


    it costs ~$0 to send an email....
    1,000,000,000,000,000 combinations say, devided by $0

    I think that this answers your question.
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, May 17, 2004
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  19. The Black Wibble wrote:
    >>~100 a day to my usenet addy, ~10 a day to my usual address, ~1 that
    >>gets through my filters.


    > It is always the one that gets through which makes me want to see all spammers hung by the thumbs.


    The one doesnt bother me, I always make time to read it each day... some
    of them are fucking hilarious.
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, May 17, 2004
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  20. Jonski

    zed Guest

    Jonski wrote:

    > Well, after changing email address a while back and not getting any
    > spam for a long time, I am back in the brotherhood (and sisterhood, I
    > guess). It all stems from my return to posting on Usenet, even though
    > I munged my email address. Sigh.
    >
    > So, what's normal? How much spam a day do most of you get on your
    > personal email?
    >
    > Cheers
    > Jon
    >
    > PS With the right tools at my fingertips, I hope I'll be able to keep
    > it under control. Signed back up with spamcop, and I think Mailwasher
    > will be installed shortly. Have now removed my return addy from my
    > newsreader.


    I wanted to find out how bad it would be to use an unmunged email
    address on usenet. I created an address, and posted it once in
    nz.general. Nothing for a couple of days. Then viruses / worms
    started arriving, and after a week were coming in at the rate of 150+
    per day. I killed the email address after a fortnight. I didn't see
    any spam - not to say it wasn't there, but was vastly outnumbered by worms.

    I get very little spam - less than 5 a day. That includes from one email
    address posted on a website that has been there for 5 years. I suspect
    that a serious spammer might consider manually unmunging email addresses
    from ng posts - as you will not only get a list of valid email
    addresses, but because they will be from a special interest group, will
    have increased value to spam marketers.
     
    zed, May 17, 2004
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