How do i trace this?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Craig Sutton, Jul 14, 2003.

  1. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    Looks like some ^%$& has signed me up to a porn mailing list. But this is
    whats at the bottom. How do I trace the details.


    You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11 21:01:19,
    using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 14, 2003
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  2. Craig Sutton

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "Peter" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > this quote is from Craig Sutton of Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:33 :
    >
    > > Looks like some ^%$& has signed me up to a porn mailing list. But this

    is
    > > whats at the bottom. How do I trace the details.
    > >
    > >
    > > You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11

    21:01:19,
    > > using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172

    >
    > You need to learn about reading email headers. Try ...
    > http://www.claws-and-paws.com/spam-l/
    > http://combat.uxn.com/
    > http://samspade.org/
    > http://www.cauce.org/
    >
    > And you're right - spammers are scumbags.
    > It doesn't mean anyone signed you up to that list. Spammers also get

    email
    > addresses from other sources, eg generated addresses, harvested from web
    > pages or newsgroups.
    >
    >
    > HTH
    >
    > Peter


    Also replying to the bastards to get taken off the list makes it worse.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Jul 14, 2003
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  3. On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:21:55 +1200, M wrote:

    >> You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11 21:01:19,
    >> using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172
    >>

    >
    > Name: CPE-61-9-192-172.nsw.bigpond.net.au
    > Address: 61.9.192.172
    >
    >
    > try emailing with the details


    There's a good chance that the IP is forged anyway. I've run into a number
    of porn spam lists which put bogus signup data in as a way of scaring
    people into not complaining.

    And of course, a well-run mailing list uses confirmations, Anything else
    isn't opt-in, as any bozo can put your address on a webform.
     
    Uncle StoatWarbler, Jul 15, 2003
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  4. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "E. Scrooge" < (remove eye)> wrote in message
    news:bev73r$4v3$...
    >
    > "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    > news:beubgo$l2s$...
    > > Looks like some ^%$& has signed me up to a porn mailing list. But this

    is
    > > whats at the bottom. How do I trace the details.
    > >
    > >
    > > You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11

    21:01:19,
    > > using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172

    >
    > It might be part of your new free Panda service, they send you address

    onto
    > others if it's only just happened.
    >
    > E. Scrooge


    No this has been happening over the last few days.Some &^%* being a pest
    signing me up to mailing lists.
    One was a web host. One was addressed to Craig Mutton, obviously an aussies
    idea of a joke. The webhost confirmed to me that this persons i.p address
    was in Australia. So I have a strong feeling this is the same person.
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 15, 2003
    #4
  5. "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    news:bevq9i$gc2$...
    >
    > "E. Scrooge" < (remove eye)> wrote in message
    > news:bev73r$4v3$...
    > >
    > > "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    > > news:beubgo$l2s$...
    > > > Looks like some ^%$& has signed me up to a porn mailing list. But this

    > is
    > > > whats at the bottom. How do I trace the details.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11

    > 21:01:19,
    > > > using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172

    > >
    > > It might be part of your new free Panda service, they send you address

    > onto
    > > others if it's only just happened.
    > >
    > > E. Scrooge

    >
    > No this has been happening over the last few days.Some &^%* being a pest
    > signing me up to mailing lists.
    > One was a web host. One was addressed to Craig Mutton, obviously an

    aussies
    > idea of a joke. The webhost confirmed to me that this persons i.p address
    > was in Australia. So I have a strong feeling this is the same person.
    >
    >


    I had a similar thing happen to me recently. I got an IP address off one of
    the signups but unfortunately it was just the IP of the Clearnet proxy :(

    Cheers,
    Nicholas Sherlock
     
    Nicholas Sherlock, Jul 15, 2003
    #5
  6. Craig Sutton

    Rob Guest

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:52:11 +1200, "Craig Sutton"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"E. Scrooge" < (remove eye)> wrote in message
    >news:bev73r$4v3$...
    >>
    >> "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    >> news:beubgo$l2s$...
    >> > Looks like some ^%$& has signed me up to a porn mailing list. But this

    >is
    >> > whats at the bottom. How do I trace the details.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11

    >21:01:19,
    >> > using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172

    >>
    >> It might be part of your new free Panda service, they send you address

    >onto
    >> others if it's only just happened.
    >>
    >> E. Scrooge

    >
    >No this has been happening over the last few days.Some &^%* being a pest
    >signing me up to mailing lists.
    >One was a web host. One was addressed to Craig Mutton, obviously an aussies
    >idea of a joke. The webhost confirmed to me that this persons i.p address
    >was in Australia. So I have a strong feeling this is the same person.
    >



    Do you have any people that you have annoyed in Australia?
     
    Rob, Jul 15, 2003
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  7. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Uncle StoatWarbler" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:21:55 +1200, M wrote:
    >
    > >> You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11

    21:01:19,
    > >> using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172
    > >>

    > >
    > > Name: CPE-61-9-192-172.nsw.bigpond.net.au
    > > Address: 61.9.192.172
    > >
    > >
    > > try emailing with the details

    >
    > There's a good chance that the IP is forged anyway. I've run into a number
    > of porn spam lists which put bogus signup data in as a way of scaring
    > people into not complaining.
    >
    > And of course, a well-run mailing list uses confirmations, Anything else
    > isn't opt-in, as any bozo can put your address on a webform.
    >


    Have has another response from another place that claimed i signed up to
    receive info.. Shown below. had to threaten them to get the info but SAME
    I.P address..

    Hello,
    I contacted our legal office to talk about your request.
    Here is what the problem was we are not allowed to give out customer
    information
    without a court order.
    But they told us it is ok for us to agree with your request, because first
    the person who submitted the false info is not a customer of ours, and
    second because he submitted your email address.

    7/3/2003 4:28:30
    name=*******
    email=*******
    61.9.192.172
    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)

    Now you have what you requested please do not email us about this again.
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 15, 2003
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  8. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Rob" <> wrote in message
    news:...

    > >No this has been happening over the last few days.Some &^%* being a pest
    > >signing me up to mailing lists.
    > >One was a web host. One was addressed to Craig Mutton, obviously an

    aussies
    > >idea of a joke. The webhost confirmed to me that this persons i.p address
    > >was in Australia. So I have a strong feeling this is the same person.
    > >

    >
    >
    > Do you have any people that you have annoyed in Australia?


    I run a website, of course i have probably upset a few people. But this
    persons gone out of their way to be a pest.
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 15, 2003
    #8
  9. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    No read and you will see what I am talking about

    First I got this email

    Hello Craig Mutton,
    You submitted you email for contact about hosting.
    How can I help you?

    http://www3.cbwhost.com/hosting/hosting.htm

    and I responded back saying I had not submitted my address to them

    (check their site you will see you can enter anyones address in the box they
    provide its not an opt in list)

    They replied

    I don't know what is going on but I'm not laughing.
    Your IP and his IP is both from Australia.
    I guess stuff like this is found funny there but not here.

    Craig Sutton <****@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
    At 04:00 p.m. 3/07/03 -0700, you wrote:
    >Hello Craig Mutton,
    >You submitted you email for contact about hosting.
    >How can I help you?
    >
    >http://www3.cbwhost.com/hosting/hosting.htm


    After a threat of legal action they came back with this.

    Hello,
    I contacted our legal office to talk about your request.
    Here is what the problem was we are not allowed to give out customer
    information
    without a court order.
    But they told us it is ok for us to agree with your request, because first
    the person who submitted the false info is not a customer of ours, and
    second because he submitted your email address.

    7/3/2003 4:28:30
    name=Craig Mutton
    email=**********
    61.9.192.172
    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)

    Now you have what you requested please do not email us about this again.
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 15, 2003
    #9
  10. Craig Sutton

    John Fulton Guest

    E. Scrooge wrote:
    > "Peter" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>this quote is from Craig Sutton of Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:33 :
    >>
    >>
    >>>Looks like some ^%$& has signed me up to a porn mailing list. But this

    >
    > is
    >
    >>>whats at the bottom. How do I trace the details.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>You are receiving this mail because you signed up on 2003-07-11

    >
    > 21:01:19,
    >
    >>>using the email address: ***ihug.co.nz from the IP: 61.9.192.172

    >>
    >>You need to learn about reading email headers. Try ...
    >>http://www.claws-and-paws.com/spam-l/
    >>http://combat.uxn.com/
    >>http://samspade.org/
    >>http://www.cauce.org/
    >>
    >>And you're right - spammers are scumbags.
    >>It doesn't mean anyone signed you up to that list. Spammers also get

    >
    > email
    >
    >>addresses from other sources, eg generated addresses, harvested from web
    >>pages or newsgroups.
    >>
    >>
    >>HTH
    >>
    >>Peter

    >
    >
    > Also replying to the bastards to get taken off the list makes it worse.
    >
    > E. Scrooge
    >
    >

    I have given up trying to trace the baddies. What I do use is Mozilla
    as my browser. It has built-in spam filtering for email. This learns
    what you define as spam and in quite a short time it knows what you
    define as spam, and can be instructed to either put it into a special
    folder, or to delete it all together! I put mine into a separate folder
    which I delete all of the contents of after having had a quick look.
    There is never anything that I want in there now, but when I started
    there were a few that got put there, but after about a month or so that
    has stopped.

    I get about 30 per day put into the SPAM folder which leaves two or
    three that I have to look at by hand - a big improvement and saver of
    time indeed.

    regards to you all

    John Fulton
     
    John Fulton, Jul 15, 2003
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  11. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "John Fulton" <> wrote in message
    news:zZNQa.4971$...
    >> >

    > I have given up trying to trace the baddies. What I do use is Mozilla
    > as my browser. It has built-in spam filtering for email. This learns
    > what you define as spam and in quite a short time it knows what you
    > define as spam, and can be instructed to either put it into a special
    > folder, or to delete it all together! I put mine into a separate folder
    > which I delete all of the contents of after having had a quick look.
    > There is never anything that I want in there now, but when I started
    > there were a few that got put there, but after about a month or so that
    > has stopped.
    >
    > I get about 30 per day put into the SPAM folder which leaves two or
    > three that I have to look at by hand - a big improvement and saver of
    > time indeed.
    >
    > regards to you all
    >

    I recommend Eudora I have a great set of filters. I get around 50 spam a day
    I filter %95 of it to spam folder automatically. A very high success rate
    with very few false hits.

    One simple filter zaps all html spam another zaps all spam written in
    foreign charsets

    If anyones using Eudora I will share the best filters with anyone who asks.
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 15, 2003
    #11
  12. Craig Sutton

    Peter Guest

    this quote is from remove eye of Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:27 :
    >
    > Also replying to the bastards to get taken off the list makes it worse.


    Quite right!
    However, I've had reasonable success with polite complaints to the company
    that has registered the address block with offending IP. I've only tried
    this where that company is in a western country, and directed the complaint
    to the company a couple of steps up the feed chain. Also, I included the
    email headers, so they can see what is going on.

    cheers

    Peter
     
    Peter, Jul 15, 2003
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  13. Craig Sutton

    back again Guest

    "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in
    news:bf0b3f$tmk$:

    > Subject: Re: How do i trace this?
    > From: "Craig Sutton" <>
    > Newsgroups: nz.comp
    >
    >
    > "John Fulton" <> wrote in message
    > news:zZNQa.4971$...
    >>> >

    >> I have given up trying to trace the baddies. What I do use is
    >> Mozilla as my browser. It has built-in spam filtering for email.
    >> This learns what you define as spam and in quite a short time it
    >> knows what you define as spam, and can be instructed to either put it
    >> into a special folder, or to delete it all together! I put mine into
    >> a separate folder which I delete all of the contents of after having
    >> had a quick look. There is never anything that I want in there now,
    >> but when I started there were a few that got put there, but after
    >> about a month or so that has stopped.
    >>
    >> I get about 30 per day put into the SPAM folder which leaves two or
    >> three that I have to look at by hand - a big improvement and saver of
    >> time indeed.
    >>
    >> regards to you all
    >>

    > I recommend Eudora I have a great set of filters. I get around 50 spam
    > a day I filter %95 of it to spam folder automatically. A very high
    > success rate with very few false hits.



    I recommend MailWasher written by a guy in Christchurch - can check
    multiple POP accounts, can be set to trash & bounce emails, or just delete
    them silently, etc. I use Eudora for emailing, but MailWasher checks all of
    my accounts quickly, and I only open Eudora occasionally to reply.


    > One simple filter zaps all html spam another zaps all spam written in
    > foreign charsets
    >
    > If anyones using Eudora I will share the best filters with anyone who
    > asks.
     
    back again, Jul 15, 2003
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  14. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Lennier" <> wrote in message
    news:pan.2003.07.15.11.07.04.393523@TRACKER...
    > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:14:18 +0000, back again wrote:
    >
    > > I recommend MailWasher written by a guy in Christchurch - can check
    > > multiple POP accounts, can be set to trash & bounce emails, or just

    delete
    > > them silently, etc.

    >
    > Yes - mailwasher is excellent for previewing emails while leaving them
    > sitting on the server, or for deleting them outright without having to
    > download them.
    >


    Fine if you trust the software..but miss one important email.............
     
    Craig Sutton, Jul 15, 2003
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  15. Craig Sutton

    Enkidu Guest

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:46:45 +1200, m00se <>
    wrote:

    >back again wrote:
    >> I recommend MailWasher written by a guy in Christchurch - can check
    >> multiple POP accounts, can be set to trash & bounce emails, or just delete
    >> them silently, etc. I use Eudora for emailing, but MailWasher checks all of
    >> my accounts quickly, and I only open Eudora occasionally to reply.
    >>

    >I recommend NOT using mailwasher, and DO NOT use its bounce functions.
    >
    >Why? Because the bounce function forges your mail headers, which youll
    >find is a breech of your ISP's AUP in most cases.
    >
    >If you value your account, dont use it.
    >

    Don't bounce because SPAMmers forge email addresses. If you get SPAM
    that appears to come from someone, it probably didn't. If you bounce
    the SPAM, you will probably harrass an innocent person.

    Cheers,

    Cliff
    --

    Signed and sealed with Great Seal of the Executive
    Council of the Internet, by The Master of The Net.
     
    Enkidu, Jul 16, 2003
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  16. Craig Sutton

    Enkidu Guest

    On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:21:46 +1200, m00se <>
    wrote:

    >Enkidu wrote:
    >>
    >> Don't bounce because SPAMmers forge email addresses. If you get SPAM
    >> that appears to come from someone, it probably didn't. If you bounce
    >> the SPAM, you will probably harrass an innocent person.
    >>

    >
    >Its whats refered to as a 'Joe Job'
    >
    >http://www.spamfaq.net/terminology.shtml#joe_job


    Not really. It's not an attack against the sender. In fact the sender
    is almost always different on different copies of the SPAM.

    Cheers,

    Cliff
    --

    Signed and sealed with Great Seal of the Executive
    Council of the Internet, by The Master of The Net.
     
    Enkidu, Jul 17, 2003
    #16
  17. Craig Sutton

    Lennier Guest

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:14:18 +0000, back again wrote:

    > I recommend MailWasher written by a guy in Christchurch - can check
    > multiple POP accounts, can be set to trash & bounce emails, or just delete
    > them silently, etc.


    Yes - mailwasher is excellent for previewing emails while leaving them
    sitting on the server, or for deleting them outright without having to
    download them.

    Lennier

    --
    I specifically DENY Xtra, and Telecom NZ Ltd, and all other subsidiaries
    of Telecom NZ Ltd, the right to use the contents of this digital
    communication for any purpose whatsoever, whether in whole or in part -
    regardless of how it is stored or transmitted through Xtra's network.
     
    Lennier, Nov 21, 2003
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  18. Craig Sutton

    dOTdASH Guest

    "Lennier" <> wrote in message
    news:pan.2003.07.15.11.07.04.393523@TRACKER...
    > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:14:18 +0000, back again wrote:
    >
    > > I recommend MailWasher written by a guy in Christchurch - can check
    > > multiple POP accounts, can be set to trash & bounce emails, or just

    delete
    > > them silently, etc.

    >
    > Yes - mailwasher is excellent for previewing emails while leaving them
    > sitting on the server, or for deleting them outright without having to
    > download them.
    >
    > Lennier
    >
    > --
    > I specifically DENY Xtra, and Telecom NZ Ltd, and all other subsidiaries
    > of Telecom NZ Ltd, the right to use the contents of this digital
    > communication for any purpose whatsoever, whether in whole or in part -
    > regardless of how it is stored or transmitted through Xtra's network.
    >


    Lennier will also recommend newsgroup software if you ask nicely :)
     
    dOTdASH, Nov 21, 2003
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